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SCOOBY DOO

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I'm new to this board and could use your help. My current combination is this.
Stock long block
Stretch stock mount IC
50 lb injectors
3" LT1 MAF and regular translator
Pats 3000 stall convertor
3" DP and 3" hollowed out cat
Hooker exhaust
Built 200R4 transmission

Which turbo...TA-49 or 6131 is going to make the most HP and give me less turbo lag with my combination. What ET can I expect? Thanks guys.
 
I love the Ta49, but I would go with the 6131. The new turbos make more power and spool better for their wheel sizes than the older turbos.

If you have lag with a 6131 on a modded GN with a 3000 stall, you have issues somewhere else.

Slap on a manual boost controller, smooth and port the wastegate hole and then adjust your wastegate rod in and hold on. :wink:
 
Thank you. Could I go with a bigger turbo than the 6131 with my combination without lag? If so, which turbo would you guys recommend?
 
The next step up might be a 6152 turbo but you'll be pushing it with only a 3000 stall converter. Probably get a little lag. A manual boost controller such as the RJC will help spool up and you might be able to get away with it. I'd say the 6131 or a TA49/TE44 turbo would be a great match for that converter.

The 50lb injectors should be fine, but you can start to max them out if you run real high boost on either turbo. With alky you'd have plenty of room to spare on those injectors and those turbos.

You could run high 11s on those turbos no problem and could go down to the mid 11s but you'll need higher boost and a good launch. A good launch is key so you need to make sure you are hooking. A low 1.7 60' is decent, but getting a 1.5x 60' might be the difference between high 11s and mid 11s.

Tuning is also important. Fuel pressure, EGT or wideband, all the regular gauges, and scanmaster at a minimum but Directscan better for a scan tool. Without good feedback and tune you'd be risking it to run higher boost and get the good timeslips.

Hope this helps.
 
Thank you for the input guys. I forgot to mention that I have a transbrake, so launching the car shouldn't be a problem. I have an ATR rear swaybar and UMI uppers and lowers. Can you gentlemen recommend what the maximum boost pressure I should use with the 50 LB injectors and alky. Your input is greatly appreciated.
 
With alky and 50lb injectors, you should be able to run as much boost as those turbos can take. I ran 25lbs boost on the 6152 turbo and only needed 80% injector with the alky. With alky the chip burner will take out some injector as the alky replaces some of the fuel.

Directscan is good at showing injector duty cyle if you don't really know how much injector you have. Or you can ask whomever made you chip how much injector it is programmed for at a given rpm at WOT. With adjustable chips you can program the amount of injector until you get it right. You need timeslips and EGT or wideband #s to get the right settings along with some trial and error. Each car is different though and the chip will be programmed as the typical injector settings for people with a similar combo.

Old way to adjust was with fuel pressure but better is through an adjustable chip (some even have real time wideband feedback to the chip).

If you already have a chip for the car and its burned for 20lbs boost, you shouldn't go over 20lbs of boost unless you can adjust the fuel/injector in the chip or you'll run lean. If you upgrade the turbo, running 20lbs on a bigger turbo may mean you'll run lean also. A newer adjustable chip like the one from Turbotweak lets you adjust the fuel/injector in the chip over a wide range so could use the same chip for a stock turbo at 20lbs or for a 6131 turbo at 25lbs as long as you adjust it correctly and have good feedback through your gauges to let you know when you've got the settings dialed in.

So, maximum boost is relative. You could probably get 25-27lbs boost out of those turbos but it might depend on how good your stretch IC is.

With your combo, less than mid 11s and you'd be leaving something on the table. I ran my 11.4 on a tired engine with a stock IC, stock MAF and an inefficient unlocked converter. But the tune was good and I was getting consistent mid 1.5 60s off the footbrake. I ran 11.6 on a TE44 for comparison, everything else being the same.
 
I got a line on a very low mile TE-61. What would it's limit be with my combo. If the deal doesn't work out I'm going with a new 6131. Thanks for the help guys.
 
I got a line on a very low mile TE-61. What would it's limit be with my combo. If the deal doesn't work out I'm going with a new 6131. Thanks for the help guys.

The TE-61 probably won't spool as good as a GT6131 and should make less power than a GT6152 while spooling about the same (so it could be laggy). I think most people are going with GT61XX turbos now as opposed to the older TE-61/PT54 turbos. Make sure it has a 0.63 A/R exhaust housing and not an 0.85 or it will probably be real laggy with your converter.

Powerwise its in the same ballpark. If you get a real good deal on it it might be hard to pass up. A new 6131 or 6152 is around $800 for comparison.
 
The TE-61 deal fell through this morning...he wanted too much money for it. I'm up in the air as to whether to go with the GT6131 or the GT 6152. I'm going to take Murphsters advice and order it with the .63 exhaust housing. With the .63 exhaust housing on the 6152 would I experience lag with my combination.? Should I just go ahead and order an RJC boost controller, or do you think I can tune the lag out? Should I play it safe and order the GT6131 and not have to deal with a lag issue? With my car tuned correctly what would the ET difference be between the GT6131 and the GT6152? If the ET difference is negligable between the two turbo's then I should go with the GT6131. I apologize for all the questions guys, but I can't afford to buy BOTH the turbo's! LOL. I gotta get this right. OK guys, your thoughts...and thank you.
 
I would go with the 6131. The 6152 I heard likes at least a 3200 stall. More like 3400. But since you have a trans brake it may get by on less of a stall. Depends if you do not mind it being slow to spool on the street. But the 6131 is plenty to get you into the mid high 11s. My GT3255 works good into the 11s and spools like mad with a 2800 stall. My TTA went 11.83 with 24lbs but the car was pig rich. The air fuel ratio never went over 10:1 on the whole run. :D
 
You would probably have enough lag with a 6152 turbo so that your ETs with the 6152 would actually be slower compared to a 6131 until you upgraded your converter regardless of tune and boost controller. The 6152 has more potential if you plan on upgrading the converter down the road and only want to buy one turbo, but might be slower than a TA49 or 6131 in the short term
with your current converter.
 
The verdict is in...GT6131 with the .63 exhaust housing. Does the GT6131 come stock with the .63 exhaust housing, or do I have to specify that when ordering. I do most of my ordering from Full Throttle...I assume if Mike or Marianne don't have the GT6131 in stock with the .63 exhaust housing, they can special order it for me. Thank you for the input gentlemen...it's greatly appreciated.
 
The 63 housing is standard. Just out of curiousity, what size is your Pat's converter? 12" or 10"?
 
GT6131 with .63 housing

I know this thread's a little old now but here's some info (maybe you already know). There's a difference between the Precision .63 housing and the Garrett .63 housing. The Precision is more like .70 and will spool a little slower. Trouble is they don't make the Garrett any more. I've heard some guys take their stock Garrett and have it machined to fit the GT61XX turbo. This is all info I ran across when I bought my GT6131, had a 2600 stall and was conserned about turbo lag. I finally went with a 9/11 3000 stall and it works great. I might go ahead and do the Garret machine thing and try it out as I drive it on the street a lot and need that quick spool.
 
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