TA61 questions.

[Turbo6Smackdown]

Ok, I seen everyone else ask for estimates, so I guess I'll do the same. Will be running a TA61, 4" integral maf intake pipe, 3" dp with dump, 23 row slic, 204/214 roller, 10" ptc 2800 NON lock, power plate, julios alky, and an rjc manual boost controller.
My car will be full weight, with 28x10.5 mt et drags, and my powermaster holds 10 psi on the line.
I'm just interested in 2 things. How fast will this combo spool this turbo, and what am I lookin at, in terms of quarter mile times, on 20 psi.

 

[TTipe]

Ta61

Make sure your exhaust manifolds don't leak (at both the cylinder head,the crossover [if you have a 2 piece] and the base of the turbo.A 3000 stall is good for streetability.There are a lot of things that can be done to supplement this.My car comes up on boost from a dead holeshot (no brake torquing-just hold the car until pedal mash) in 3/4 the width of a 2 car driveway.Ta61 is a nice turbo that can take a car with supportting mods into the high 10's.

 

[meanchicken]

The guy I bought my TA61 from tuned his way to an 11.17 on pump gas and alky...I think he said at 22 lbs of boost...
He had a similar set up to what you described, but with a higher stall converter and 3:73 gears.

 

[Turbo6Smackdown]

A higher stall and 373's?? Wow..odd. So with 97 octane and alky, with 25psi, whaddya think?

 

[ttypewe4jim]

you have a 204 214 roller cam? who did the grind? what lifters?

 

[meanchicken]

A higher stall and 373's?? Wow..odd. So with 97 octane and alky, with 25psi, whaddya think?

He also is running a pretty tall tire, so that makes up for some of the gear.

My TA61 loves the 3200 stall.
My tires are 275/50/15 Nitto 555r's

IMHO, your combo with a TA61 will get you safely in the 11's with less than 25lbs of boost. How deep you go will be up to how well you tune it and how well you launch and 60 ft.

 

[V6POWER]

My TE-61 runs high 6's in the 1/8, which should be high 10's in the 1/4. This is with 93 + alky. Do you have ported heads?

 

[Turbo6Smackdown]

you have a 204 214 roller cam? who did the grind? what lifters?

By your question, I'm getting that there is no such grind for rollers... Hmmm. My builder said it was a good grind, and agreed to go with it.

Im thinking it was comp, but I can't remember. The cam is getting done by the engine builder. Morel lifters. It's going to be a 204/214, but with a special ramp rate, to keep it as quiet as possible. He's ****ing the pony on that one, I'm just holding the tail.

And chicken, you have a 3200 stall? what specs? and how do you get traction with that?

 

[TTipe]

Ta61

You will need well ported heads,intake,exhaust manifolds,turbo,low pressure drop intercooler as well to assault the tens at low boost.Boost is air the engine can't use.

 

[meanchicken]

And chicken, you have a 3200 stall? what specs? and how do you get traction with that?

All I can tell you about it is it's a custom billet 10" with lock-up that came from the same guy who built my trans, and it works. Street manners are actually not that bad....but I did burn up the lock-up a couple months bac so I just leave that 4 prong connector in the side of the trans unplugged and go without the L/U.

On a good road, if I just nail it from a stand still, the car will roll out about 3-5feet and then the tires start spinning, but not so bad that I need to feather it or anything.
Then they spin (just a hazing) a little more when the car shifts into 2nd.

I can get the tires burning pretty good with any amount of break boost.

One theory is that the extra weight of the lock-up converter actually acts more like a flywheel at spool-up than a non-L/U converter would, so it slows my spool-up and lets me get going a bit before the tires go too crazy.....think of it as a form of traction control...

 

[ttypewe4jim]

By your question, I'm getting that there is no such grind for rollers... Hmmm. My builder said it was a good grind, and agreed to go with it.

Im thinking it was comp, but I can't remember. The cam is getting done by the engine builder. Morel lifters. It's going to be a 204/214, but with a special ramp rate, to keep it as quiet as possible. He's ****ing the pony on that one, I'm just holding the tail.

And chicken, you have a 3200 stall? what specs? and how do you get traction with that?

Thats why I was asking Ive never heard of that grind in a roller cam... Ive used the cam at least 8 times now and Im currently putting together a motor for a friend with that cam..

Also I would leave the converter alone for now... get the combo together tune it in and goto the track see what happens :biggrin: IMO a lot can be said for just tuning the car in down low to improve the 60 foot times... dont forget about the suspension also, just because you can hold 10psi don't me you need to launch at that.

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

Ok, I seen everyone else ask for estimates, so I guess I'll do the same. Will be running a TA61, 4" integral maf intake pipe, 3" dp with dump, 23 row slic, 204/214 roller, 10" ptc 2800 NON lock, power plate, julios alky, and an rjc manual boost controller.
My car will be full weight, with 28x10.5 mt et drags, and my powermaster holds 10 psi on the line.
I'm just interested in 2 things. How fast will this combo spool this turbo, and what am I lookin at, in terms of quarter mile times, on 20 psi.

If you can get away with 25psi and 24° of timing, that should get you down to 11.2 My white limited is fairly lite weight, and was out of injectors at 121.

With the 9/11 convertor around 3200 stall rating, it would go from idle to 14psi of boost in the matter of the second amber lighting on the tree and when it was time to go. Mine had the garrett housing, what housing does yours have?

If you get heads, just go with a te45a or a bb66 it makes a huge difference.
BW :biggrin:

 

[Turbo6Smackdown]

I wont have any trouble tuning, its traction that I'm concerned with. I cant get traction with the stock setup, let alone this new setup in my sig.

 

[ttypewe4jim]

On the street or the track are you having traction issues?

 

[scojack_2001]

When I had a TE-61 on my car, the best I could do was a 12.2@110. That was at 18psi max on a stock motor. The TA-61 is pretty much the same at the TE-61/62, or so I hear.

As far as traction, my car does great with not much money spent. Just boxed stock LCAs with rubber bushings, cargo coil springs and dual airbags @ 10psi each, KYB GR-2 shocks and a Full Throttle ATR-replica swaybar. Best 60' to date is a 1.57 on a 255/50/16 MT DR on a ~5psi launch on a marginal track. My car is 3700lbs. with me in it and a full tank of 93, with a 36mm swaybar in the front too...

My car has run the times in my sig with me driving with pretty much basic parts.

 

[TTipe]

Ta61

I wish when folks would post about their performance that they would devulge "open" or "closed" exhaust.Scojack what did your old combo look like?There are various other mods/conditions which affect turbo performance which are not being discussed;ie leaking exhaust manifolds,fat calibration etc etc.These posts would be a lot better if more imfo was disclosed.

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

I wish when folks would post about their performance that they would devulge "open" or "closed" exhaust.Scojack what did your old combo look like?There are various other mods/conditions which affect turbo performance which are not being discussed;ie leaking exhaust manifolds,fat calibration etc etc.These posts would be a lot better if more imfo was disclosed.

I dont see anyone hiding any information here

 

[TTipe]

Ta61

They may not be "hiding" it,but more than likely "forgetting" it.

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

They may not be "hiding" it,but more than likely "forgetting" it.

I dont know what your trying to imply, but feel free to ask who ever you think is forgetting to let you in on what they are doing to run what they run.

I will go ahead and ask, what times are you running with ported heads and a stock cam? Your car would probably knock off about .3 in the quarter with a good aftermarket flat tappet cam.

Did you loose 3-4 mph on the top end when you went with the art carr non lockup? Thats a great street convertor, really gets the turbo spooled up, it does the et good, but from all my buddies running it, they typically run 3-4 mph less on the top end than they would with a different convertor.

I was running just a downpipe on my ta61/009 combo in my white limited, no exhaust at all. Was running 110 octane because i was afraid of blowing it up, and when i added some timing to it, i sprayed meth on top of it. Since the meth pump was a low pressure unit, i felt that running racegas was good insurance for not hurting the engine.

Take it easy
BW

 

[buttonfly]

BW- we need to get together on mine. I really think I can tighten up my converter. I have no MPH, but the car is a madman down low. Wasnt Scott running a 2400 stall in the 400 when he went 10.96 with the 6152?? You've never steered me wrong.