I have these on my car and have well easliy 4k on them and there are still meat left......not down to tabs. I have never had them hydroplane like the MT's now I do be careful but not like 45 ion the interstate when its raining. The don't hook as good as mickeys but do decent if you heat em. They are superior in the rain hands down. Way I looked at it was ...my cars power is overwhelming to street tires so much that I cant kick it so I need DR's. And wanted a tire that could handle rain, etc. nittos were it. I drove them to BG and back from MN and drive my car everywhere all the time its nothing for me to put a few hundred miles on my car in a day. I may try the M&H racemasters DR's next to see how they do, the tread pattern looks like it ma do ok in the rain.