What 1st alky or turbo?

[turbobully]

Ps I'm def not the type that wants to constantly be tweaking things. When I have the car tuned by a pro, probably cotton as he is close to me I want to leave it alone w whatever combo I end up w. Then maybe as time and $ permit I'll take the next step. I have a scanmaster installed but no data logger.

 

[Grumpy]

Ps I'm def not the type that wants to constantly be tweaking things. When I have the car tuned by a pro, probably cotton as he is close to me I want to leave it alone w whatever combo I end up w. Then maybe as time and $ permit I'll take the next step. I have a scanmaster installed but no data logger.

Alky is not rocket science. Especially with what you want to do. Seriously you should be able to "tune" it. Eric's (TT) chips are very close when you give him all the info of the car. good luck . its a blast !! wakes the car up a LOT !! remember NO KNOCK

 

[t-typex1]

T-Typex1, you can recommend whatever, it's a forum, but I don't think everyones 4th mod should be Alky.

He was wrong !!! It should be #1 mod after you get the car in a good condition to "use" hard. Lots of guys keep throwing parts at a car that has a problem rather than finding the problem.

:biggrin:

While I agree with it being a #1 mod, I wouldnt turn it up without a scan tool, and fuel becomes an important factor.
For arguments sake, Alky should be one of your top 5 mods.
Ask Mr. Cotton for his opinion, since thats who you will be dealing with for tuning.

 

[krom]

Thanks for everyones opinions. this is a street car that I will drive to shows, work once in awhile, out on the town, and to the track no more than a weekend or 2 a yr. I am looking for more bottom end. Not sure on the turbo was gonna go ta49 but have been told I will want more power and regret not going bigger. again quick spool and bottom end is more important to me than et's

Quicker spool can be had with a convertor and a 49. If you are driving it once in a while I would vote for 100 octane. Do a search and you will read all the carnage from poorly tuned cars. Lately alky seems to be the common denominator in most cases. You can blow up a car on good octane also so read the threads and decide.

 

[Grumpy]

Do a search and you will read all the carnage from poorly tuned cars. Lately alky seems to be the common denominator in most cases.

So Alky is blowing up cars Poorly tuned cars ??? totally agree!! I have been into Buicks since 86.. People were blowing them up then and continue to do so.

 

[RatFink]

Alky. your stock turbo all of a sudden can run 21psi efficiently . IMO:biggrin:

 

[monteperformanc]

What happens if you were to run out of alky or if something in the alky system malfunctions? Is there any safety feature or do you just find out the hard way?

 

[RatFink]

What happens if you were to run out of alky or if something in the alky system malfunctions? Is there any safety feature or do you just find out the hard way?

My kit and I'm sure others have a low alky warning light, but this is something anyone running alky would check often. I do. As for pump failure, there is a manual purge button that you can press to varify the pump is working.
But nothing is a 100%, life sucks that way.

 

[Squid4life]

My kit and I'm sure others have a low alky warning light, but this is something anyone running alky would check often. I do. As for pump failure, there is a manual purge button that you can press to varify the pump is working.
But nothing is a 100%, life sucks that way.

Yep, what he said. Light comes on if low, plus each time I drive the car I hit the test light to see if the car stumbles a little bit at idle, meaning alky is spraying. Pretty easy to do, and I prefer to test pretty much every time I drive it, which for now is daily.

 

[Grumpy]

What happens if you were to run out of alky or if something in the alky system malfunctions? Is there any safety feature or do you just find out the hard way?

well what about a fuel pump on its way out ?? Low voltage in the car.. Anything can happen .. "Oh.. it only has a little knock"
If you run out of Alky just sell the car after ya tow it home soory but that is just plain stupid !! Like hitting the Alky and it's NOT turned on !! We have a lot of mileage on our cars here and have never missed a beat. But on another note some guys shouldn't even have a car like this.

 

[Razor]

What happens if you were to run out of alky or if something in the alky system malfunctions? Is there any safety feature or do you just find out the hard way?

There is a light on my kit that changes colors when the pump makes pressure. I also sell a gauge that records pressure.. and it also changes colors $$$.. but it involves "looking at it"... then "responding to it".

If you cant look at lights.. then get an audible knock detector.. but this requires "listening to it".

So if you cant look at lights.. cant listen to it.. wont pay attention to the motor nosing over.. your going to blow it up plain and simple. These cars are not for everybody. Racing a turbo car is not for everyone either. Common sense like checking the car has gas in the tank before flooring it goes a long way. Becuase the alky kit can function 100% corerectly but your fuel tank was low.. dropped fuel pressure.. and kaboom.. what do you know.

More motors have been lost from failing fuel systems(cough walbro) than failing alcohol kits.

There is an old saying.. "You can break an anvil if you try hard enough"

 

[jasjamz]

What happens if you were to run out of alky or if something in the alky system malfunctions? Is there any safety feature or do you just find out the hard way?

That's why you need the scanmaster. It will show knock retard if something starts to get out of wack. As mentioned, nothing is 100%. The last time I drove a bolt on type stocker without alky on a safe tune it was depressing to look at the boost gauge and know there was nothing I could do about where it was set. Dynoed 250 rwhp at 13-14 psi. Man if I could get it up to 22-24 that car would be a blast till the trans dies.

 

[Razor]

That's why you need the scanmaster.

This requires you looking at the scanmaster and reacting to it :wink:

 

[monteperformanc]

There is a light on my kit that changes colors when the pump makes pressure. I also sell a gauge that records pressure.. and it also changes colors $$$.. but it involves "looking at it"... then "responding to it".

Thanks this is all I was asking for. I notice a lot of times people ask a simple question on this board and they get blasted as if they are a moron. I have never had an alky kit so I didn't know. Thanks for the info.

 

[Razor]

Thanks this is all I was asking for. I notice a lot of times people ask a simple question on this board and they get blasted as if they are a moron. I have never had an alky kit so I didn't know. Thanks for the info.

No problem. The problem with internet forums is that communication is very one sided/touchy. Its way different when your speaking with someone vs typing a reply on a message board.

Its a double edge sword in responding to a person. One side you give a quick answer and assume the person understands.. and if he doesnt.. it was a wasted post. On the other side you get into a lengthy reply and then the person thinks your going overboard.

Guess the thought I have is "tone". Where someone's perception to the tone can feel insulting, while others feel its needed. You have those that say alcohol injection is a bad evil, and others swear by it. Somewhere in the middle one is at. Its not for everyone.. neither is racing.

 

[GNVYUS 1]

BTW, I love Alky and probably run more of it than anyone in here (32gph) but it's not for everyone, hell a girl on Halloween told me she hates Chocolate!!!!

"I didn't see where he said a 10 sec car ?? Race gas ?? who said anything about that ?? NO way would I run race gas unless ya just drive your car around the block"

LOL, he didn't say 10 second GN or race gas, that's my point, we didn't know much about his needs until recently. Now look what he posted.

"this is a street car that I will drive to shows, work once in awhile, out on the town, and to the track no more than a weekend or 2 a yr."

Probably moderate boost with an intercooler upgrade and turbo might be more practical. Then Spring of 2012 he'll call Razor and become a Methhead.

I'm interested to hear what Cotton recommends.

 

[usetaboost]

Tuning isn't hard, just need patience. Hell if I can go from stock boost to 22 psi and some timing off a washer tank spraying -20 washer fluid and using winaldl to tune with for the very first time, I'm sure anyone else could figure it out too. Just like Grumpy said, take your time and tune for no knock at .780mv

 

[jasjamz]

BTW, I love Alky and probably run more of it than anyone in here (32gph) but it's not for everyone, hell a girl on Halloween told me she hates Chocolate!!!!

"I didn't see where he said a 10 sec car ?? Race gas ?? who said anything about that ?? NO way would I run race gas unless ya just drive your car around the block"

LOL, he didn't say 10 second GN or race gas, that's my point, we didn't know much about his needs until recently. Now look what he posted.

"this is a street car that I will drive to shows, work once in awhile, out on the town, and to the track no more than a weekend or 2 a yr."

Probably moderate boost with an intercooler upgrade and turbo might be more practical. Then Spring of 2012 he'll call Razor and become a Methhead.

I'm interested to hear what Cotton recommends.

More practical as in better performance? I think a stock Turbo and intercooler car with pump gas and alky would be faster than a car with say a 6262, front mount and 93 only. But that depends on the "tuna".

 

[turbobully]

Step 1 gotta get the dp and exhaust installed. We shall see how far I get w all the other mini projects on her over the winter before this spring when the GN is back on the road. I will do my beat to read up and tune the best I can w what have before I bring to cottons. appreciate all the feedback. PS I have a scanmaster but not powerlogger

 

[Mr.Spool]

without a doubt alky.but i prefer boththe stock turbo car with alky is alot of fun.a bigger turbo with the boost turned down isn't all that impressive.you will need octane to relize the potential of the bigger wheel.