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What 200-4R to look for?

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futureGNowner

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Hello all!!
I have been told that this is "The Place" to come for 200-4R info, so here I am.
I am looking for a 200-4R to put behind my stock (soon to have a mild build) 350 in my '72 Chevy truck (two wheel drive). The truck will be a daily driver/cruiser. The truck has a TH-350 now.
I would like to find one with the multi pattern case. I might decide (down the road) to torque test the 200-4R with the Cadillac 500 I have sitting in the garage:eek: .
Anyone have any suggestions as to what year/car I should be looking for, for the trans?

Thanks for the help!!
 
MeanBuicks,
Thanks!!
I looked through about 10 pages of posts but couldn't find the answers that I was looking for.....I guess I just didn't look far enough.

Thanks again.
 
General Info & Caddy 500

Searches can sometimes be problematic but you should try again as all of your questions have been answered many times, even regarding Caddy engines. Lots of very good information is on this board but it is a Turbo Buick board not Chevy or Caddy—maybe YOU revealed too much to “attract” an answer. However, there are others that at least lurk here that have mated the big Caddy to the 2004R. Being one of those I’ll take a shot at answering your question.

To the best of my knowledge all 2004Rs have the BOP multi-fit bell housing pattern—some junk yard claim differently—and will bolt up to any GM product, including the 500 Caddy which is what I have in a 1964 Impala with a 2004R with many PTS parts. However, you will need an aftermarket torque converter with the dual bolt pattern in order to bolt up to the Caddy flexi-plate. I think most aftermarket converters come with the dual pattern.

The top producer of improved-strength parts for the 2004R is PTS, Bruce Toelle’s shop. Give him a call either for prices, advice, or a shop in your area that uses his line of billet parts for the 2004R.

The following 2004Rs are the best ones but are becoming harder to find:

Code Model
BRF 86-87 Grand National Servo casting # = 94 Lipseal servo w/ strongest spring

TAF* 89 Anniversary T/A Servo casting # = 94 Lipseal servo w/ strongest spring

CZF 86-87 Monte Carlo SS Servo casting # = 92 Lipseal servo w/ 2nd strongest spg

OZF/KZF 85-7 442 , 83-4 Hurst Olds Servo casting # = 92 Lipseal servo w/ 2nd strongest spg

Only buy transmissions produced after 1/84; avoid 88 models; 90 models are the best in terms of internal improvements, look also for CT, CU, KD, KJ, KT. The 2004Rs from the later model Caddies are also a good choice for the 500 because they shift smoother and at a lower RPM—good for the torque curve of a 500 and the smoother shift should help the drive train parts and pieces survive longer under the 500’s incredible torque.

The valve bodies/governors in the above models “listed” models are easier to recalibrate for strong shifts, otherwise internals of all 2004Rs are basically identical for each year model. The newer the trannie the more enhancements but the relative strength of driven parts is the same except that the input shaft is improved around ’89 and newer models.

The 7004R is Chevy-only and stock ones break at a lower torque in a manner that often destroys the trannie. The 2004R generally shears the forward drum spine with no major damage--the billet forward drum from PTS (see link below) is around $495 and the shift kit is around $75. Both are the best money can buy. There are a number of other “billet” parts you should also buy from PTS if you do any power enhancements to that Caddy engine. That has been detailed on the board before and I need to go to work.

http://www.2004rperformancecenter.com/
 
Clay,

Good info there. I'm just curious as to why you say the '88s should be avoided? The reason being, I found a 200-R4 for sale locally for pretty cheap. The ad just says it's an '88 out of a Chevy, so I assumed it would be an 8CZ (since all the other '88s seem to be Pontiacs based on Red's very informative chart (thx Red)). The CZ's are pretty solid aren't they?? No BR or TA, but still, this tranny doesn't carry the $$$$ pricetag either. I figured it'd be a good low cost backup. But if there's something inherently bad with the 88s, I'm not gonna waste my time.
I will call about the code before I do anything rash,but just wondering if an 88 CZ would be worth my time. THX!! :cool:
 
I am also curious why the '88 model year units shouldnt be used.
I have the original CZF in my Monte SS behind a turbo 6. I added a mild shift improver, the 94 servo and some of Bruce's tv boost valves. It has been working very well.
I usually agree with Clay as he is one of the good guys on here.
Just curious, thats all.
 
88 rejects

Apparently, the metallurgy in the ’88 was not too good, especially in regards to the forward drum. The story I got was that when GM started putting the 2004R into its Cadillac line they did better QC so those out of Caddies are good ones except the valve body is not as desirable as those from GNs and CZs.

I would assume that a valve body from an ’88 CZ is as good as the ‘86s and ‘87s, but someone else who has more experience than me would have to verify that assumption.

If your ’88 has lived this long you probably got one with good hardparts. That said, the general consensus on the board seems to be to replace the forward drum with a billet one from PTS or one of the trannie shops to which PTS supplies parts.
 
Awesome, thank you very much for the information. I guess I will pass on this transmission, but I got a lot of good info on what to look for in the future. The help is much appreciated! :cool:
 
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