What numbers are considered wild and what is mild? I really have no clue on cams, never messed with them before. I am looking at a Edelbrock Performer cam with 204/214 duration. Do I need different valves. I am putting Comp Cam 980 series valve springs in it, but will the be enough/compatible? TIA.
Whats wild/mild in a cam?
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Stock is mild, I see some guys here in the 11s with the stocker.
The 204/214 cam has had great feedback from a lot of people using it. It isn't radical and idles nicely. The only draw back I can see in your case, is that you have the stock turbo, heads, intercooler, and torque converter, so you may not see the full benefit of the cam. It tends to pull harder in the upper range of the RPM's.
Yes, getting the heads ported and polished as well as going with the larger 1.77 intake valves will help the cam perform better, but it will work with stock untouched heads.
The CC 980's are the recommended valve springs.
FWIW
Unless your stock cam is toast, or your motor is already torn apart, I wouldn't go diving into a cam change. There are lots of other thing that you can do to the motor first. To sound like a broken record...Lot's of guys have run into the 11's with the stock cam. This motor is not like a SBC, where a cam change makes a huge difference.
IMHO. A good port and polish job of the stock turbo, a Duttweiller neck on the stock intercooler, Power Plate for the plenum, "good" chip and fine tuning, etc... would be better first steps to make before a cam change. (refreshing the valve springs is a good thing though.)
Paul
Yes, getting the heads ported and polished as well as going with the larger 1.77 intake valves will help the cam perform better, but it will work with stock untouched heads.
The CC 980's are the recommended valve springs.
FWIW
Unless your stock cam is toast, or your motor is already torn apart, I wouldn't go diving into a cam change. There are lots of other thing that you can do to the motor first. To sound like a broken record...Lot's of guys have run into the 11's with the stock cam. This motor is not like a SBC, where a cam change makes a huge difference.
IMHO. A good port and polish job of the stock turbo, a Duttweiller neck on the stock intercooler, Power Plate for the plenum, "good" chip and fine tuning, etc... would be better first steps to make before a cam change. (refreshing the valve springs is a good thing though.)
Paul
All right, thanks. I will keep the cam in mind for later addons. My mom is allowing me $300 for car parts (I had my choice between car parts or a video card). What should I be getting? The only thing I need is an ignition module and a tranny, but obviously $300 isnt going to buy a tranny. How much will porting heads really help me?
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porting heads is a good investment. example: my buds TTA went 11.9 on a ported heads/cam 3.8 with an added ~.5 compression and 16 psi and alky. also done with a 3.73 rear end shifting into OD well before the end of the track.
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If you don't already have a Dutt wide neck on the intercooler that's a good bang for the buck. I picked up .25 sec and 2-3 mph
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11's or bust on stock turbo!
I take it the .25 sec and 2-3 mph were on the 86-T.
I have also heard that porting the stock IC inlet will help also (and alot cheaper) and might be worth doing for us stock combo guys.
11's or bust on stock turbo!
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$300 bucks...
What scan tool are you running?
Do you have a knock gauge?
Some low buck options would be... Air bags for the rear, rear seat X brace, Power Plate, a better chip (The Pitbull is old, and Reds tend to be fat on the bottom end) AC CR42TS plugs.
Maybe some of the other guys can add to the list
Paul
What scan tool are you running?
Do you have a knock gauge?
Some low buck options would be... Air bags for the rear, rear seat X brace, Power Plate, a better chip (The Pitbull is old, and Reds tend to be fat on the bottom end) AC CR42TS plugs.
Maybe some of the other guys can add to the list
Paul
Originally posted by 1badTTA
I take it the .25 sec and 2-3 mph were on the 86-T.
I have also heard that porting the stock IC inlet will help also (and alot cheaper) and might be worth doing for us stock combo guys.
11's or bust on stock turbo!
I Love it ^
Yes that's on the 86-T.
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No scan? That's what you need then! I have had good success wth the Thrasher 92 street chip. Littlestevie has a chip from Eric and he's happy with that. There are several other chip guys out there. From what's happening now the alky injection there is a whole new generation of chip burning going on. I've been eyeing Razor's alky kit (on sale for Christmas too)
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$300 won't get your heads ported either.
Get a Scanmaster 2.1 and buy mom a dozen thank you roses!
Ok, Ok... scan tool it is... Dozen roses? doubt it, but I'll try it. I am buying her a vcr/dvd combo dealio and stephen kings latest book. I have to buy my bro a 4" downpipe for his 99 ford f-350 yet too. Child support... just kidding... no kids... that I know of at least
I'd scratch the tach for now, looks cool, but not really needed at your level.
A scanmaster and a powerplate would be a better combo imo.
QUOTE]The only thing I need is an ignition module and a tranny, but obviously $300 isnt going to buy a tranny[/QUOTE]
If you think you need a trans now, watch out,. more power on a dieing trans will kill it in short time. Maybe a transcooler to prolong its death.
As mentioned before, rear seat braces, air bags, slicks are a good investment too.
Good Luck
A scanmaster and a powerplate would be a better combo imo.
QUOTE]The only thing I need is an ignition module and a tranny, but obviously $300 isnt going to buy a tranny[/QUOTE]
If you think you need a trans now, watch out,. more power on a dieing trans will kill it in short time. Maybe a transcooler to prolong its death.
As mentioned before, rear seat braces, air bags, slicks are a good investment too.
Good Luck
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I didn't realize this was a Christmas or gift "gift exchange" deal. Don't mean to shame you into anything in this case.
As for the powerplate, I'll risk being piled on here and make a statement. There are a few things that are, or have in the past, been wildly popular. Later it is discovered they are not as great or unique as some thought. I am not saying this is one of those things. I am only saying before I would buy one, I would check with some people running one. Fifty-nine bucks is fifty-nine bucks. I would consider one for myself too, but I already have a 62mm Hemco plenum, which among other things, addresses the same issue as the plate. (Poor stock air distribution)
Hope this doesn't complicate things, I'm just playing devil's advocate.
Good Luck and Happy Holiday's!!
Jeff
Um, well... I hate to sound like an idiot asking all these questions, but honestly I am a newbie to fast cars period. I had a 96 Grand Marquis before this and raced it! Beat a 87 camaro f41 and a 97 v6 firebird... yay! None of my friends have any turbocharged cars, only sbc's, and I ask them something they are like... umm, i dont know, its a POS six cylinder (POS, right... thats why I am the fastest street car that I know of in the county). So, I just want y'all to bear with me through my newbie stage here. You guys have been extremely helpful through this process and I am learning a great deal. Thanks again. Any tricks you can offer would help greatly.
