Why isn't BUSH impeached?
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JDSfastGN
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Originally posted by Red Regal T
It isn't rediculous to say Bush lied because there were no WMDs? Of course, it is. You ARE brainwashed by all the left wing internet sites you go to. Bush NEVER said that Iraq was an IMMINENT threat. Only Democrats and left wingers tried to put that on Bush. HE NEVER SAID IT. I know you think all those locals over there in the desert have different agendas. We know, of course, that Sadaam wouldn't think of handing off a WMD to one of Osama's buddies to use over here. You people on the left never listen..........This is old news. Where've you been?
See the sad thing is you don't listen or understand a thing I tried to get across. You are stuck on the technicalities of it all when the reality is, The world was given reasons to go to war and these reasons have turned out to be false, that is the problem, whether he lied, didn't have the right intelligence, or made a mistake in judgement. its all the same. The reason for war was given and it was not correct. FACT. Oh and for the record, i don't think I have ever been to a liberal website unless you include CNN in there. Every message board i go to is a car site and most are very conservative. I am by no means a liberal, but I can see through the wool you have over your eyes
JDSfastGN
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See thats great and all and Kerry is probably a hypocrite, but he was given intel and info from Bush and the administration just as the public was, and it was wrong,. I would hope that if Saddam had WMD, that most people would want to get rid of them. The main difference is Bush is the President and its his responsibilty to make sure reasons for war are well founded. The CIA even warned the intel may not be correct
Originally posted by 1QWIK6
I know many of your are public school students and are A.D.D. but try to stay with me here... there is only 1 thing I am talking about... The LIE. and why we are not outraged enough to IMPEACH GW Bush.
ROTFLMAO!!!! All I can say is that I am relieved that people with your frame of mind aren't in the drivers seat. I'm going to do you a favor, hold your hand, and walk you through what I said and then critique what you thought was an intelligent, well formed response.
My point (which required reading between the lines and using some critical thinking) was that Bush, whether he lied or not, was morally and legally justified for starting this war. The WMD's don't matter.
However, since there is always the "ostrich" contingent, let's talk about the WMD's. There are only 2 possibilities... Bush either lied or he didn't. If Bush didn't lie, then you obviously have no gripe because he simply made a logical decision based on a very well founded set of assumptions which he believed to be true. If Bush did lie, the result was he started a war for which there was additional AMPLE justification, even without the need for WMD's. You see boys and girls, that was the whole point behind the analogy between the Balkans and Iraq which you so obviously missed. If Bush lied about the WMD's (AND IT IS HIGHLY DOUBTFUL THAT HE DID) he did so because of the fact that particular members of congress and society (read: freakin liberals) held him to an unreasonable standard compared to prior administrations. I have no doubt that you will throw some mindless drivel back at me so I'll wait till later to elaborate this point.
Now... lets move on to what you said. This isn't really necessary but its fun for me. Now then... you refer to me in context of being a public school student. I'm guessing that this is some type of comment about how my education is lacking because I am a product of the public school system...
thinking to myself...(but he really doesnt know because he is assuming... maybe even the same way that Bush assumed that there were WMD's... well, at least Bush actually had some substantial evidence so I guess that Bush's assumptions would be more accurate than someone who is just pulling stuff out of his... but lest I digress)
What cracks me up is you follow this public school comment with an excellent display of grammar saying that "many of YOUR are public students and ARE A.D.D."
That really surprised me. I never knew I are ADD. Well, you learn something new every day.
To set the record straight, I are not A.D.D, I are a product of both public and private schools, and I can almost guarantee that I have more of an education than you could ever dream of... and funny enough a great majority of it specifically deals with domestic politics and foreign policy... For some reason I keep thinking about men without certian appendages participating in a contest whereby the victor must strike other participants in the gluteals. Strange.
Red Regal T
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Stage 2..........LOL.........I ARE thinking the same.
suprbuick7
You will never convince these Reps that Bush lied...Wasting your time. Fragile egos and blind faith is what they run on. Unfortunately so do many Dems. Just look at what has happened in congress, neither side is willing to budge. This is very dangerous to the well being of our country..
Bottom line...
BUSH WONT BE IMPEACHED! CONGRESS IS CONTROLLED BY REPS!
Does he deserve to be impeached, PROBABLY, what good will it do? do you really want cheney as president?
Things will fall apart in the middle east and we will be left to foot the bill.
If this were a just cause, I would support the president 100% and I wouldnt care if he was a Dem or a Rep. This shouldnt be about party affiliation, it should be about whats best for our country.
More and more info is coming out as to why bush "really" invaded Iraq. The lastest is that he is on a RELIGIOUS CRUSADE.
Keep the spin coming....its good for a chuckle
You will never convince these Reps that Bush lied...Wasting your time. Fragile egos and blind faith is what they run on. Unfortunately so do many Dems. Just look at what has happened in congress, neither side is willing to budge. This is very dangerous to the well being of our country..
Bottom line...
BUSH WONT BE IMPEACHED! CONGRESS IS CONTROLLED BY REPS!
Does he deserve to be impeached, PROBABLY, what good will it do? do you really want cheney as president?
Things will fall apart in the middle east and we will be left to foot the bill.
If this were a just cause, I would support the president 100% and I wouldnt care if he was a Dem or a Rep. This shouldnt be about party affiliation, it should be about whats best for our country.
More and more info is coming out as to why bush "really" invaded Iraq. The lastest is that he is on a RELIGIOUS CRUSADE.
Keep the spin coming....its good for a chuckle
Alot of you guys have vaild points and I think some of them are great. I am a bush fan and will vote for him again. I wont get into any issuses but what I am surprise at is that none of you mentioned anything about what Libya did. Maybe I did miss it but Muammar Gaddafi saw that we finally have a President with balls and he got scared. He saw how Bush was watching/warning North Korea,Iran and others. SO Gaddafi invited UN inspectors and gave them all information on whats going on. They are also dismantling certain plants and destroying weapons . So I think thats one of the many good outcomes opf the war.
Anyone like to add to this??
Ralph
Anyone like to add to this??
Ralph
Red Regal T
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Slimm...........thankyou for pointing out what the democrat leadership said, and believed to be true.......... and other than lobbing a few missiles over there, failed to do anything about it. President Clinton might have had to lead, but was too busy with "other matters". As stated by the liberals, what business is it of ours what the President is doing about sex. Nothing, I guess, except he was distracted from doing his job. Now, because of the ensueing election, everthing the dems said, should be reversed and never mentioned. Instead of giving support to our leader, President Bush, it's better to give aid and comfort to the enemy while we have soldiers in harms way. The fact that Kerry is a hypocrite and talks from both sides of his mouth, will not slow down the liberals here. They see nothing wrong with being a hypocrite or voting for one.
"Libya has said it will give up its programmes for developing weapons of mass destruction and allow unconditional inspections.
President Muammar Gaddafi said that, after months of negotiations with the West, his country was ready to play its role in building a world free from all forms of terrorism.
The US and its allies have long suspected that Libya had secret chemical and biological weapons programmes, but Libya repeatedly denied such allegations saying it only had facilities for pharmaceutical or agricultural research".
President Muammar Gaddafi said that, after months of negotiations with the West, his country was ready to play its role in building a world free from all forms of terrorism.
The US and its allies have long suspected that Libya had secret chemical and biological weapons programmes, but Libya repeatedly denied such allegations saying it only had facilities for pharmaceutical or agricultural research".
STAGE2... STILL KING OF SPIN
Problem solved.... BUSH LIED... END OF STORY. IMMENIENT THREAT... no threat. We went to war for the threat of WMD. NO WMD were found. What more do want?
(Can't WAIT to her the part 2 of your spin to this.)
BTW
Geeezz.. get a room with yourself...
Problem solved.... BUSH LIED... END OF STORY. IMMENIENT THREAT... no threat. We went to war for the threat of WMD. NO WMD were found. What more do want?
(Can't WAIT to her the part 2 of your spin to this.)
BTW
Geeezz.. get a room with yourself...
Kaddafi blew up innocent AMERICAN CIVILIANS on Pan Am flt 103 and we are now his friends? Bush made an agreement with a murderer! We should have made an agreement with Libya, not Kaddafi. As part of the agreement we should have been given Kaddafis head! This war on terror is strictly POLITICAL!
"Spin this one Reps"
"Spin this one Reps"
right, i also heard from people like you that the haulacost never happened. if you STILL think that they never said iraq was an IMMINENT THREAT, you need to wake up. i watched the exact words coming out of ****s mouth on 60 minutes last night. bush too. and if you think colin powel didnt say similar things to that when he was in front of congress, you need to use some cottin swabs in your ears buddy.
face the facts.
TurboJunky
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I bet this was another informative post by a non-partisan.
TurboJunky
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Where's the Proof?
I'm willing to be convinced that President Bush used the words "IMMINENT THREAT" if someone's willing to post the exact quote with sources and cites.
I'm willing to be convinced that President Bush used the words "IMMINENT THREAT" if someone's willing to post the exact quote with sources and cites.
Talk about an Imminent Threat!
When FBI agents searched a rented storage locker in a small east Texas town last year, they were alarmed to discover a huge cache of weapons and the ingredients to make a cyanide bomb capable of killing thousands.
Just as startling was the identity of the owner of the arsenal, which included nearly half a million rounds of ammunition and more than 60 pipe bombs. He was not some foreign terrorist with ties to Al Qaeda but a 63-year-old Texan with an affinity for anti-government militias and white supremacist views.
Anti-government right-wing extremists remain a largely hidden threat of unknown proportions.
When FBI agents searched a rented storage locker in a small east Texas town last year, they were alarmed to discover a huge cache of weapons and the ingredients to make a cyanide bomb capable of killing thousands.
Just as startling was the identity of the owner of the arsenal, which included nearly half a million rounds of ammunition and more than 60 pipe bombs. He was not some foreign terrorist with ties to Al Qaeda but a 63-year-old Texan with an affinity for anti-government militias and white supremacist views.
Anti-government right-wing extremists remain a largely hidden threat of unknown proportions.
Word Play...You decide
"There's no question that Iraq was an imminent threat to the people of the United States."
• White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, 8/26/03
"We ended the threat from Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
• President Bush, 7/17/03
Iraq was "the most dangerous threat of our time."
• White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 7/17/03
"Saddam Hussein is no longer a threat to the United States because we removed him, but he was a threat...He was a threat. He's not a threat now."
• President Bush, 7/2/03
"Absolutely."
• White House spokesman Ari Fleischer answering whether Iraq was an "imminent threat," 5/7/03
"We gave our word that the threat from Iraq would be ended."
• President Bush 4/24/03
"The threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction will be removed."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 3/25/03
"It is only a matter of time before the Iraqi regime is destroyed and its threat to the region and the world is ended."
• Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clarke, 3/22/03
"The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder."
• President Bush, 3/19/03
"The dictator of Iraq and his weapons of mass destruction are an
imminent threat to the security of free nations."
• President Bush, 3/16/03
"This is about imminent threat."
• White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 2/10/03
Iraq is "a serious threat to our country, to our friends and to our allies."
• Vice President **** Cheney, 1/31/03
Iraq poses "terrible threats to the civilized world."
• Vice President **** Cheney, 1/30/03
Iraq "threatens the United States of America."
• Vice President Cheney, 1/30/03
"Iraq poses a serious and mounting threat to our country. His regime has the design for a nuclear weapon, was working on several different methods of enriching uranium, and recently was discovered seeking significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/29/03
"Well, of course he is.”
• White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett responding to the question “is Saddam an imminent threat to U.S. interests, either in that part of the world or to Americans right here at home?”, 1/26/03
"Saddam Hussein possesses chemical and biological weapons. Iraq poses a threat to the security of our people and to the stability of the world that is distinct from any other. It's a danger to its neighbors, to the United States, to the Middle East and to the international peace and stability. It's a danger we cannot ignore. Iraq and North Korea are both repressive dictatorships to be sure and both pose threats. But Iraq is unique. In both word and deed, Iraq has demonstrated that it is seeking the means to strike the United States and our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/20/03
"The Iraqi regime is a threat to any American. ... Iraq is a threat, a real threat."
• President Bush, 1/3/03
"The world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq whose dictator has already used weapons of mass destruction to kill thousands."
• President Bush, 11/23/02
"I would look you in the eye and I would say, go back before September 11 and ask yourself this question: Was the attack that took place on September 11 an imminent threat the month before or two months before or three months before or six months before? When did the attack on September 11 become an imminent threat? Now, transport yourself forward a year, two years or a week or a month...So the question is, when is it such an immediate threat that you must do something?"
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 11/14/02
"Saddam Hussein is a threat to America."
• President Bush, 11/3/02
"I see a significant threat to the security of the United States in Iraq."
• President Bush, 11/1/02
"There is real threat, in my judgment, a real and dangerous threat to American in Iraq in the form of Saddam Hussein."
• President Bush, 10/28/02
"The Iraqi regime is a serious and growing threat to peace."
• President Bush, 10/16/02
"There are many dangers in the world, the threat from Iraq stands alone because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place. Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists."
• President Bush, 10/7/02
"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
• President Bush, 10/2/02
"There's a grave threat in Iraq. There just is."
• President Bush, 10/2/02
"This man poses a much graver threat than anybody could have possibly imagined."
• President Bush, 9/26/02
"No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/19/02
"Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent - that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02
"Iraq is busy enhancing its capabilities in the field of chemical and biological agents, and they continue to pursue an aggressive nuclear weapons program. These are offensive weapons for the purpose of inflicting death on a massive scale, developed so that Saddam Hussein can hold the threat over the head of any one he chooses. What we must not do in the face of this mortal threat is to give in to wishful thinking or to willful blindness."
• Vice President **** Cheney, 8/29/02
"There's no question that Iraq was an imminent threat to the people of the United States."
• White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, 8/26/03
"We ended the threat from Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
• President Bush, 7/17/03
Iraq was "the most dangerous threat of our time."
• White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 7/17/03
"Saddam Hussein is no longer a threat to the United States because we removed him, but he was a threat...He was a threat. He's not a threat now."
• President Bush, 7/2/03
"Absolutely."
• White House spokesman Ari Fleischer answering whether Iraq was an "imminent threat," 5/7/03
"We gave our word that the threat from Iraq would be ended."
• President Bush 4/24/03
"The threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction will be removed."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 3/25/03
"It is only a matter of time before the Iraqi regime is destroyed and its threat to the region and the world is ended."
• Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clarke, 3/22/03
"The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder."
• President Bush, 3/19/03
"The dictator of Iraq and his weapons of mass destruction are an
imminent threat to the security of free nations."
• President Bush, 3/16/03
"This is about imminent threat."
• White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 2/10/03
Iraq is "a serious threat to our country, to our friends and to our allies."
• Vice President **** Cheney, 1/31/03
Iraq poses "terrible threats to the civilized world."
• Vice President **** Cheney, 1/30/03
Iraq "threatens the United States of America."
• Vice President Cheney, 1/30/03
"Iraq poses a serious and mounting threat to our country. His regime has the design for a nuclear weapon, was working on several different methods of enriching uranium, and recently was discovered seeking significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/29/03
"Well, of course he is.”
• White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett responding to the question “is Saddam an imminent threat to U.S. interests, either in that part of the world or to Americans right here at home?”, 1/26/03
"Saddam Hussein possesses chemical and biological weapons. Iraq poses a threat to the security of our people and to the stability of the world that is distinct from any other. It's a danger to its neighbors, to the United States, to the Middle East and to the international peace and stability. It's a danger we cannot ignore. Iraq and North Korea are both repressive dictatorships to be sure and both pose threats. But Iraq is unique. In both word and deed, Iraq has demonstrated that it is seeking the means to strike the United States and our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/20/03
"The Iraqi regime is a threat to any American. ... Iraq is a threat, a real threat."
• President Bush, 1/3/03
"The world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq whose dictator has already used weapons of mass destruction to kill thousands."
• President Bush, 11/23/02
"I would look you in the eye and I would say, go back before September 11 and ask yourself this question: Was the attack that took place on September 11 an imminent threat the month before or two months before or three months before or six months before? When did the attack on September 11 become an imminent threat? Now, transport yourself forward a year, two years or a week or a month...So the question is, when is it such an immediate threat that you must do something?"
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 11/14/02
"Saddam Hussein is a threat to America."
• President Bush, 11/3/02
"I see a significant threat to the security of the United States in Iraq."
• President Bush, 11/1/02
"There is real threat, in my judgment, a real and dangerous threat to American in Iraq in the form of Saddam Hussein."
• President Bush, 10/28/02
"The Iraqi regime is a serious and growing threat to peace."
• President Bush, 10/16/02
"There are many dangers in the world, the threat from Iraq stands alone because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place. Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists."
• President Bush, 10/7/02
"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
• President Bush, 10/2/02
"There's a grave threat in Iraq. There just is."
• President Bush, 10/2/02
"This man poses a much graver threat than anybody could have possibly imagined."
• President Bush, 9/26/02
"No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/19/02
"Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent - that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons."
• Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02
"Iraq is busy enhancing its capabilities in the field of chemical and biological agents, and they continue to pursue an aggressive nuclear weapons program. These are offensive weapons for the purpose of inflicting death on a massive scale, developed so that Saddam Hussein can hold the threat over the head of any one he chooses. What we must not do in the face of this mortal threat is to give in to wishful thinking or to willful blindness."
• Vice President **** Cheney, 8/29/02
Originally posted by KillrV6
right, i also heard from people like you that the haulacost never happened. if you STILL think that they never said iraq was an IMMINENT THREAT, you need to wake up. i watched the exact words coming out of ****s mouth on 60 minutes last night. bush too. and if you think colin powel didnt say similar things to that when he was in front of congress, you need to use some cottin swabs in your ears buddy.
face the facts.
What "Facts" do you want me to Face?
The Holocaust happened. If the American People had not allowed 400,000 of their 18-35 year olds be killed in a 4 year period, IT WOULD STILL BE HAPPENING. That's a burn rate of 100,000 Americans per year, not 600-700.
Colin Powell went in front of Congress? Is that one of the "facts" you want me to face?
I must have had too much cottin in my ears, I don't remember that one. When did that happen again?
And to all the people saying "Of course Kerry thought there were WMD's, he was using Bush Administration Intelligence" answer one question. Was Bush President in 1998?
Your Imminence awaits!
Twice, former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer affirmed questions from reporters using the phrase "imminent threat" to describe the administration's case against Iraq. When Fleischer was asked by a reporter on May 7 of this year, "Well, we went to war, didn't we, to find these -- because we said that these weapons were a direct and imminent threat to the United States? Isn't that true?" he replied, "Absolutely." And on October 16 of last year, a reporter asked, "Ari, the President has been saying that the threat from Iraq is imminent, that we have to act now to disarm the country of its weapons of mass destruction, and that it has to allow the U.N. inspectors in, unfettered, no conditions, so forth." Fleischer replied, simply, "Yes."
Twice, former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer affirmed questions from reporters using the phrase "imminent threat" to describe the administration's case against Iraq. When Fleischer was asked by a reporter on May 7 of this year, "Well, we went to war, didn't we, to find these -- because we said that these weapons were a direct and imminent threat to the United States? Isn't that true?" he replied, "Absolutely." And on October 16 of last year, a reporter asked, "Ari, the President has been saying that the threat from Iraq is imminent, that we have to act now to disarm the country of its weapons of mass destruction, and that it has to allow the U.N. inspectors in, unfettered, no conditions, so forth." Fleischer replied, simply, "Yes."
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