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I'm running 26+ on 93 and alky, no problems here. Race gas never again dont need it.

A little 411 alky's MAIN function is cooling the air (eliminate knock) not fuel replacement. If the car runs lean DONT add more alky add more fuel.
 
Before GM decided to put ICs on the 86/87s car they almost used alky injection. NICE :eek:
 
I'm running 26+ on 93 and alky, no problems here. Race gas never again dont need it.

A little 411 alky's MAIN function is cooling the air (eliminate knock) not fuel replacement. If the car runs lean DONT add more alky add more fuel.


Add more 93 if its lean at high boost? I thought you wanted to get rid of the low octane and replace it with a higher octane fuel to eliminate knock? How does the alcohol burning engines even run if it isn't a fuel? Not a trick question just wondering....really. :confused:

If alkys main function is to cool the air, I'm also wondering why you can't run 26-28psi on 93 without alky if the air entering the engine is below 50* . When it's damn cold outside...like in the 20's...I have seen temps below 50* for a couple seconds when at WOT at 25psi of boost. That's plenty of time to get knock retard on straight 93. In very cold climates does this mean alky isn't needed with 93? Anyone done any testing to see if knock occurs? Also, any test results on how cold the air entering the engine actually is when spraying alky? I don't think you can accurately measure the temp since the alky would get on the temp sensor and skew the readings. Again, not a trick question just wondering....really. :confused:

One other thing, does every person running alky have a air distribution plate under the plenum to help spread the alky to each cylinder since the factory intake have problems sending equal amounts of air to each cylinder? How do you know if the front two cylinders isn't getting any knock? That knock sensor is at the rear of the engine. I thought the alky follows the airflow of the intake and more goes to the rear cylinders and not as much goes to the front.:confused: This means the front cylinders isn't getting as much alky as the rear ones. Does one of those plates come with the kit?

I'm not knit picking or trying to get a flame feast going about alky so please... legit answers. I'd like to know. :D :D
 
Well somehow Julio thought of that and installed a switch called "On/Off" so you could actually turn off the $5 a gallon expensive methanol injection system and run you 8-15 lbs of boost.... or you could makes adjustments so it doesnt spray untill a certain boost level, and you could control how much alky it sprays at what boost level. Thus increasing the alky as boost increases. But alky does have a few draw backs no one really mentions.

For example. You are able to run more boost (around 18-25lbs) which means you will probly waste more gas too and increase the chance of getting speeding tickets. That sucks!

Also it causes excessive smoke and noise coming from the rear end when accelerating hard. I think it comes from the tires breaking loose all the time but I have yet to prove it.

Another thing (might be related) is the rear tires wear out a whole lot faster than before. Im guessing cause the added weight of the alky system but Im just speculating.

Last, just like drugs, its addicting. The more you hit the gas and the more you want to do it over, and over again. It freakin sucks! Then when you accidently install a BstC Boost controller and run as much boost from the seat of your car as your want, forget about it. Makes you not want to drive the car anymore!

Installing alky, worst decision I ever made!....... did I mention I might be dislexic?....:D

Dude dont get alky! Let the rest of us have all the fun!

:biggrin: DUDE YOUR KILLING ME HERE!!! ROTFLMAO!!! GREAT!!
Ok and I love my Razor alky kit its the bomb! I have run it with race gas at the track and with it on the car will pick up .2 in the 1/4!!!! no other change not even boost! Thats pure meth though no water no washer solvent crap 100% meth!
 
Well yes the Alky mainly cools the air so you could run more boost but using methanol if actually increases the octane rating and thus you can run more boost/timing and not worry about knock. As you know knock is caused by excessive heat and the fuel's octane also has something to do with it. The hotter the combustion chamber (more heat) and the lower the octane ( lower octane is more prone to self-igniting= pre-ignition or knock) the higher the chance of getting knock.

So to try to prevent knock at higher boost levels you try to cool down the intake charge or you could try to increase the octane rating or do both. I ran 105 octane and was only running 18lbs of boost before I would see a little knock. Then I ran alky and turned it up slowly to 25lbs of boost and no knock! Alky will give you a higher "octane" rating in essence and cool the intake charge also. Not to mention it is combustable so it will also increase your fuel slightly. But like was said before, you dont increase your alky if you running lean, just add more fuel. But if you do see knock then you could increase your alky...... hopefully it makes sense?:biggrin:

Also I run a RJC power plate but thats just so the air distributes evenly to all cylinders. Alky is sprayed as a mist into the intake (up-pipe) and therfore follows the air travel. So if you are not using a power plate, more air/alky go into the rear chambers so its pretty much the same as not using alky. Which ever cylinder gets more air also gets more alky.

As apposed a duel fuel system where you increase boost and increase fuel. the rear cylinders get more air than the front but all the cylinders get the same amount of fuel. So even if you run race fuel without a power plate, then your run either the rear cylinders lean or the front cylinders rich or both. The kit doesnt come with a air distribution plate but installing one is a good idea even if you dont use alky.....
 
You have a knob that controls where the alky turns on. You will go rich at this point, so you work that into the programming of the chip....you need an adjustable chip...not a switch chip. Something you can tune to whatever you want, when you want. Extender and turbo tweak both do this.
If you drive alot of miles, then alky is the only choice. If you drive the car for fun and not too often, or youre rich, go with high octane. But even if you dont drive it much and can afford race gas, theres no reason not to run alky anyway. If you're cruising around and decide you want to punch it with high boost, turn it on. If my alky runs dry, I simply just watch my boost and dont floor it, until I fill it back up. If you cant control your right foot, then turn the boost down until you fill it back up. Takes all of 15 seconds to do. Its a much bigger pain in the ass, going with race gas all the time.
I drive 70 miles a day, so race gas isnt an option for me.
 
I don't really agree with turning it off. If you're set for 25 lbs, have the system off and forget one time and get on it hard, you can blow your junk up! Yeah, you can turn the boost down like Vader said, but if you're going adjust your boost back and forth all the time, why bother with alky in the first place?
My main complaint is trying to find it. Pittsburgh Raceway is selling it for $4 a gallon, but I can never get ahold of someone there, it goes straight to a message giving the schedule. Left and e-mail and was told to call. Brilliant.
The one time I've stopped in person, I couldn't get someone to help me because it was a race day and everyone was too busy. The track's only about 25 minutes away, but that's still too far to drive out and possibly not be helped anyways.
I could go get it on a test n' tune night, but then I'm stuck with a 5 gallon jug of meth that I wouldn't know what to do with? Throw a nearly full jug of flammable dead weight in the trunk while I run? Don't think so. Leave it out by a fence so someone can steal it? Yeah, great....
I've already run the $14 a gallon denatured I've had in it dry, so now I'm stuck with being really careful with my right foot until I can get some friggin' methanol.

If anyone knows any suppliers in or around Pittsburgh, let me know!!
 
Hey Shane could we move this thread to the alky section?

Maybe when Julio gets back from BG he could add to this thread...he's the expert not me.
 
Add more 93 if its lean at high boost? I thought you wanted to get rid of the low octane and replace it with a higher octane fuel to eliminate knock? How does the alcohol burning engines even run if it isn't a fuel? Not a trick question just wondering....really. :confused:

If alkys main function is to cool the air, I'm also wondering why you can't run 26-28psi on 93 without alky if the air entering the engine is below 50* . When it's damn cold outside...like in the 20's...I have seen temps below 50* for a couple seconds when at WOT at 25psi of boost. That's plenty of time to get knock retard on straight 93. In very cold climates does this mean alky isn't needed with 93? Anyone done any testing to see if knock occurs? Also, any test results on how cold the air entering the engine actually is when spraying alky? I don't think you can accurately measure the temp since the alky would get on the temp sensor and skew the readings. Again, not a trick question just wondering....really. :confused:

One other thing, does every person running alky have a air distribution plate under the plenum to help spread the alky to each cylinder since the factory intake have problems sending equal amounts of air to each cylinder? How do you know if the front two cylinders isn't getting any knock? That knock sensor is at the rear of the engine. I thought the alky follows the airflow of the intake and more goes to the rear cylinders and not as much goes to the front.:confused: This means the front cylinders isn't getting as much alky as the rear ones. Does one of those plates come with the kit?

I'm not knit picking or trying to get a flame feast going about alky so please... legit answers. I'd like to know. :D :D

It's all good. I understand your confusion, I did not know about alky until I did the research. Alky is the best upgrade I did to my car expect when I did the motor swap.:smile:

As far as temps go Julio has posted 411 about engine air temps = to ambient…50° outside intake air 50°. I have a RJC air plate too. Per Julio he has some customers (non-Buick) running 40# of boost with alky. :eek: Not to confuse you but alky is used a little as fuel...my injectors with alky run about 70% DC.
 
You have a knob that controls where the alky turns on. You will go rich at this point, so you work that into the programming of the chip....you need an adjustable chip...not a switch chip. Something you can tune to whatever you want, when you want. Extender and turbo tweak both do this.
If you drive alot of miles, then alky is the only choice. If you drive the car for fun and not too often, or youre rich, go with high octane. But even if you dont drive it much and can afford race gas, theres no reason not to run alky anyway. If you're cruising around and decide you want to punch it with high boost, turn it on. If my alky runs dry, I simply just watch my boost and dont floor it, until I fill it back up. If you cant control your right foot, then turn the boost down until you fill it back up. Takes all of 15 seconds to do. Its a much bigger pain in the ass, going with race gas all the time.
I drive 70 miles a day, so race gas isnt an option for me.


The above is so not true You dont need an alky chip to run alky!
Im living proof of this! I have 2 chips from TT one is an alky chip 23* 19* timing set for 25lbs the other is a race chip for 110 race gas 25* 21*, (Dont quote me on the timming Im guessing a little but they are dif by a bunch!) I have used both with Race fuel and without and the race chip always makes the car go faster! .5 sec on avarge and has way more low end power at the same 25-27bls of boost.
Now some say Im nuts to run the Race gas chip on 93 oct. but I have done it for a year with no issues and no knock most of the time. I do have to adj. the alky on cool nights or really muggy nights but I do that with both chips!
The only thing I change is the turn on point when I use the race gas chip the alky comes on earlier if I have 93 in the tank. If I add Race gas I just turn the dial on the dash down and bam! I go faster yet! My car went 11.55 last year on race gas and alky at the track and 25# of boost! Thats a stock block stock heads 206 cam motor there baby! I couldnt 60 foot for crap and never ran my trans brake so there is a lot more in her!
Oh and I dont see transtion knock when the car shifts! Just plain runs better on the race gas chip :)
 
I’m going to call my local track and find out if there is a local alky dealer, if so I will order the alky kit and the booster plate. Let the fun begin! :cool:
 
I bought 5 gallons of 116 back in October 2006. I still have about a gallon and a half left in my tank. That means you are spending waayyy more money than me on fuel...so HA!:tongue: I'm going to replace it since it might be stale now... :eek:

Of course, you probably run the **** outta your car more than me.;)

I thought I was saving from not buying race gas.:confused: But 3 gallons of 116 every 6 months is very race fuel efficent. :eek: Let's see some pics of that duel system.
 
The above is so not true You dont need an alky chip to run alky!
How can you say something I didnt say, is not true? I didnt say you need an alky chip. I said you need an adjustable chip...well, you dont "need" but it makes a hell of alot more sense. You dont need to pull the running board out, the kick panel, pull the cover off, change the chip and put it all back together, every time you change something. If your chip is adjustable, it doesnt matter if you have alky or dont. You can tune to whatever you want on the fly.
And how does turning the boost down defeat the purpose of having alky? Another person not reading what I write. I said that if you run out of alky and you dont know when you're going to refill it, and you cant control your compulsions enough to keep from flooring the car, THEN turn your boost down. Otherwise, if you keep the alky tank full at all times, you naturally dont have the turn the boost down.
A race chip is a good match for running alky too! When did I say otherwise? Race chips have high timing to take advantage of the octane, just like alky chips. Only difference is that an alky chip should be set up to limit fueling at the alky turn on point.
 
I’m going to call my local track and find out if there is a local alky dealer, if so I will order the alky kit and the booster plate. Let the fun begin! :cool:

Check with your local performance shops also. (VP M1)
 
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