Jack Evers
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45 ACP, kick is brutal and hard plastic gives me a blister on my shooting hand. Wish they had aftermarket grips available.
Why women should not be cops!!! *Video*
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45 ACP, kick is brutal and hard plastic gives me a blister on my shooting hand. Wish they had aftermarket grips available.
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thay make rubber grips for the 22 Glock.they just slide on..
The Blob
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Maybe that guy had molested some children or killed some puppies or something and he was screaming crazy stuff so she put a round next to his head to shut him up. Then it would be cool.
If it was some big burly man cop who just had enough of some low life dirtbag he'd be you all's hero.
If it was some big burly man cop who just had enough of some low life dirtbag he'd be you all's hero.
TurboJunky
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I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately I've seen people pass their firearms qualifications who have no business handling a firearm because it's "policitally correct" to pass them.... Get it?
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Here's a link to my off duty baby:
http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=145SS4&category=Pistol
I don't feel the criticism of the Glock's design is warranted. It's a natural choice to transition from a revolver due to it's DAO design. Simply pull the trigger and re-holster just like a revolver. The simple fact is this; you keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot. What's the difference if your finger is on the trigger of a Glock, Sig, H&K or whatever?
http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=145SS4&category=Pistol
I don't feel the criticism of the Glock's design is warranted. It's a natural choice to transition from a revolver due to it's DAO design. Simply pull the trigger and re-holster just like a revolver. The simple fact is this; you keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot. What's the difference if your finger is on the trigger of a Glock, Sig, H&K or whatever?
sorry dood,but if you and your boys are running around with the safety off/finger on the trigger you're a hazard to each other and to the public.
jesus,the military teaches you to keep your finger off the trigger til you're ready to shoot and they're sending you into combat .
btw,my custom mauser hunting rifle has a 2.5# trigger pull,and my springfield armory v10 compact hi-cap .45(carry gun)is set about 4.5#.neither has much measurable creep,and i've never had an accidental dicharge.but i'll let you guess where my finger is until it's time to put rounds downrange.
wfo
i would have to guess that you have never been a police officer in a large city - anyone that is pointing a gun at a suspect or covering an area of threat should not be doing so unless they are ready to shoot - being ready to shoot does not mean having your finger outside the trigger guard - when you are merely moving to a position your finger should be outside the trigger guard, if the particular situation allows it- when a fellow officer is in front of your weapon your finger should be outside the trigger guard---we trained officers not to point their weapons at other officers in most tactical situations - i said most, because there are situations where they still may have to do it in order to be ready to fire at the needed moment
methods used by the military are different than the police - we trained military teams for urban house to house activity because their experience in this field has been limited and not concerned so much with the possibility of non-combatants in the houses or rooms they clear
>sorry dood,but if you and your boys are running around with the safety off/finger on the trigger you're a hazard to each other and to the public<
obviously, you are misinformed, inexperienced or watch to much tv
i would have to guess that you have never been a police officer in a large city - anyone that is pointing a gun at a suspect or covering an area of threat should not be doing so unless they are ready to shoot - being ready to shoot does not mean having your finger outside the trigger guard - when you are merely moving to a position your finger should be outside the trigger guard, if the particular situation allows it- when a fellow officer is in front of your weapon your finger should be outside the trigger guard---we trained officers not to point their weapons at other officers in most tactical situations - i said most, because there are situations where they still may have to do it in order to be ready to fire at the needed moment
methods used by the military are different than the police - we trained military teams for urban house to house activity because their experience in this field has been limited and not concerned so much with the possibility of non-combatants in the houses or rooms they clear
>sorry dood,but if you and your boys are running around with the safety off/finger on the trigger you're a hazard to each other and to the public<
obviously, you are misinformed, inexperienced or watch to much tv
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Also when you go to holster your weapon you are taught to extend your finger out,which means your finger would be out of the triger guard.
TwoLaneBlackTop
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For all those that think the Glock are a single action pistol please sell all your guns till you learn how firearms work!
Its a doubble action only pistol!!!!! Go to the Glock website if you don't belive me or call the company up and they will tell you the same thing.
Its a doubble action only pistol!!!!! Go to the Glock website if you don't belive me or call the company up and they will tell you the same thing.
TurboJunky
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I'm not on any SWAT or SRT team but I've been a deputy sheriff for 13 years. We have firearms training once a month and have always been told to keep the finger along the top edge of the frame and out of the trigger guard until you decide to shoot. This was also taught in my police academy as well. Maybe it's different for high stress situations SWAT teams endure.
im not a cop, but my best friend is and he told me about most of his firearms training, and i believe they are taught to keep their finger OFF the trigger until you are ready to fire. this woman made a stupid mistake that anyone could have made. i do agree that if she worked for me and made that kind of mistake, on the news no less, she would be canned. not because of her gender, because she messed up big. and trust me women make some good cops. most of the female officers i know are people i wouldnt argue with. you wouldnt catch me on the wrong end of a fight with them.
and glocks are double action. they are ready fire, but they are double action. all of you with the sigs, nice guns. i shot a 227 recently and i loved it. the gun is light and accurate, and very comfortable to hold. the beretta 92fs is a cool piece too. thats what my friend carries on duty, and its pretty accurate, just a little heavy.
and glocks are double action. they are ready fire, but they are double action. all of you with the sigs, nice guns. i shot a 227 recently and i loved it. the gun is light and accurate, and very comfortable to hold. the beretta 92fs is a cool piece too. thats what my friend carries on duty, and its pretty accurate, just a little heavy.
RealFastV6
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Glocks are neither single nor double action. They're "safe action", which is similar to Dual Action. The trigger pull disengages the safety and then fires. If you've ever shot both a Glock and a 1911, its easy to tell the difference.
Anyways, absolute bottom line, keep your finger off the god damn trigger until it's time to shoot. Its clear she didn't have the pistol pointed at the suspect, which means she was in a ready position, in which the safety should be off but her finger should be off the trigger.
There's not such thing as an accidental discharge, only a negligent discharge.
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That's the main reason I am still carrying my Sig. I don't like the trigger pull design on the Glock. Fine weapon, just my preference.
tta
i retired with 31 years on the job and as previously stated the last 15 with swat-- i fail to see any difference whether it is a swat officer or a motor officer - when you are pointing your gun at a suspect or covering an area where a suspect could emerge from you had better have your finger on the trigger and ready to fire - think of it this way, you have a gun and i have a gun and we are about to shoot at each other- where would you whether have your finger outside the trigger guard or on the trigger- you are always at an extreme disadvantage anyway because of reaction time- dont give away anymore time by having your finger outside the trigger guard- if you are being trained otherwise you are being trained wrong or you are misinterperating what the instructor means-- if you are pointing your gun at a suspect you must consider him a deadly force threat or you have no legal reason to point a gun at him- i dont know what the circumstances were concerning this video so i dont know why the female officer was pointing her weapon at the suspect being cuffed-- but after watching the clip several times it is obvious that she had the gun pointed directly at the suspect - she lowered the gun slightly just before she fired and this is why the suspect wasnt struck - stand in front of a mirror and point your gun at your reflection- that is the image your suspect is seeing-does he see your finger outside the trigger guard?you say you have been a deputy for 13 years- in all these years have you never encountered a situation where you not only wished your finger wasnt outside the guard, but that you had also cocked the gun so the trigger pull would be lighter so you could get your most accurate shot off if needed?
the only safety you need on your gun is your MINDSET- if an officer doesnt have the midset to control the trigger he doesnt belong on the dept
real fast-
the term used by our dept. was accidental discharge or (ad)- unless the officer did it on purpose and that was another ballgame
the only "ready position" is on the range not on the streets
i retired with 31 years on the job and as previously stated the last 15 with swat-- i fail to see any difference whether it is a swat officer or a motor officer - when you are pointing your gun at a suspect or covering an area where a suspect could emerge from you had better have your finger on the trigger and ready to fire - think of it this way, you have a gun and i have a gun and we are about to shoot at each other- where would you whether have your finger outside the trigger guard or on the trigger- you are always at an extreme disadvantage anyway because of reaction time- dont give away anymore time by having your finger outside the trigger guard- if you are being trained otherwise you are being trained wrong or you are misinterperating what the instructor means-- if you are pointing your gun at a suspect you must consider him a deadly force threat or you have no legal reason to point a gun at him- i dont know what the circumstances were concerning this video so i dont know why the female officer was pointing her weapon at the suspect being cuffed-- but after watching the clip several times it is obvious that she had the gun pointed directly at the suspect - she lowered the gun slightly just before she fired and this is why the suspect wasnt struck - stand in front of a mirror and point your gun at your reflection- that is the image your suspect is seeing-does he see your finger outside the trigger guard?you say you have been a deputy for 13 years- in all these years have you never encountered a situation where you not only wished your finger wasnt outside the guard, but that you had also cocked the gun so the trigger pull would be lighter so you could get your most accurate shot off if needed?
the only safety you need on your gun is your MINDSET- if an officer doesnt have the midset to control the trigger he doesnt belong on the dept
real fast-
the term used by our dept. was accidental discharge or (ad)- unless the officer did it on purpose and that was another ballgame
the only "ready position" is on the range not on the streets
I have not watched the video yet. I was a police officer in a major city(Houston).I worked night shift for over 10 years.I have in that time been involved in two shootings.In case 1 the suspect fired at me first heading towards me in a stolen truck.My first shot was right out of the holster as soon as the gun cleared.He fired 3 rounds.Directly after his first round were my 3 rounds.There never was a question as to finger off or finger on the trigger.The second shooting the suspect was attempting to flee in a stolen vehicle and attempted to run over me while traveling in reverse.No question of the trigger finger thing again.I never was on the SWAT Team but I was a FTO and a Supervisor.I have been presented with suspects that had a handgun and did not shoot-something just seemed wrong..It turned out the handgun was a Crossman 38T.A replica of a Smith and Wesson that is a CO-2 pistol.My partner was behind me telling me to shoot.I got him to drop the gun.We were at a distance of 20-25 yards.He was in the process of committed a home burglary and said his intentions were to bluff me!The reason that I am telling you this is in any given situation the officers actions will be different.I never had my finger on the trigger under "normal situations"- only after assessing the threat level.It is NOT a good idea to always or even most of the time have your finger on the trigger.I survived for just over 12 years doing it this way.Just my 0.2 worth...
I have now watched the video and it is a classic example of why you do not routinely put your finger on the trigger! This situation was under control by the primary officer. Did you see her put her non gun hand up to her mouth-like-oh my gosh! Big bobo on her part.She got lucky not to hurt or kill someone.
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Nope, no misinterpretation of my training. As far as firearms training goes my department is one of the most highly trained in the state of Michigan and the country. As I stated previously, we have mandatory firearms training monthly which include shoot-don't shoot scenarios, night shoot, shotgun, tactical shoot situations, stovepipe jams, tap-rack-bang drills and so on. It's been HAMMERED into our heads to keep the finger outside the trigger guard and up along side the frame until you're ready to pull the trigger.
I have had my gun out quite a few times and every time kept my finger OFF the trigger. I understand your theory about having the "jump" on someone by keeping your finger on the trigger however I believe that's a prescription for disaster. I can see many more accidental shootings if more officers were taught to keep their finger inside the trigger guard. In such cases all it would take would be what we see in the video, or someone getting startled to kill someone accidentally. Recently I was clearing a house by myself and had my gun drawn checking corners. I was doing as I was taught by keeping my finger off the trigger. I took a step downstairs when the home alarm went off wailing away. I must have jumped 2 feet in the air and turned 5 shades of white. Such surprises can result in accidentally killing someone if the finger is set to go on the trigger. I believe it's a trade-off to train officers to keep more people safe and avoid accidental shootings vs. an instantaneous trigger response.
There has to be many references to this on shooting sites on the internet. Anyone?....
I have had my gun out quite a few times and every time kept my finger OFF the trigger. I understand your theory about having the "jump" on someone by keeping your finger on the trigger however I believe that's a prescription for disaster. I can see many more accidental shootings if more officers were taught to keep their finger inside the trigger guard. In such cases all it would take would be what we see in the video, or someone getting startled to kill someone accidentally. Recently I was clearing a house by myself and had my gun drawn checking corners. I was doing as I was taught by keeping my finger off the trigger. I took a step downstairs when the home alarm went off wailing away. I must have jumped 2 feet in the air and turned 5 shades of white. Such surprises can result in accidentally killing someone if the finger is set to go on the trigger. I believe it's a trade-off to train officers to keep more people safe and avoid accidental shootings vs. an instantaneous trigger response.
There has to be many references to this on shooting sites on the internet. Anyone?....
mustang
during your incident with the replica gun, did you have your finger on the trigger?
i have been involved in and seen many incidents involving replica guns- in several the suspects were shot and in many they probably should have been shot-- alot of police officers that get shot or cut, hesitate- sometimes, we never find out what they were thinking at the time but most of the time they were thinking should i shoot, or they didnt perceive the reality of the situation they were in
i dont understand what you mean by" regular situations"
maybe we are just having a missunderstanding , are you saying you point your gun at someone and you dont have your finger on the trigger? or are you talking about walking up to a traffic stop with your gun down at your side?or you are walking around the inside of a building or house checking an alarm?
this thread started with the video clip as the basis for the discussion- wfo stated your finger should be kept off the trigger until you are ready to shoot- i disagreed with that and said if you are pointing your gun at a suspect that means you feel he is a threat to your life or others- ( this is the only legal reason for pointing your gun at a suspect) if he is a threat you had better be ready to shoot with your finger on the trigger- maybe we are just talking about two different things
tta-
im starting to worry about you now- first you are out there writing tickets for tinted windows and now you are clearing a house by yourself - always work with at least one other officer as a team when you clear a house or building
all the drills you do are at a range under close(hopefully)supervision- all of our officers are also trained to keep their finger outside the guard until they are ready to shoot- the problem here is the definition of "ready to shoot"- myself and everyone i train with define ready to shoot when you point your weapon at someone, or when you have responsibility for covering an area where you feel a threat to your life, a fellow officers life, or a civilian's life, might suddenly appear-
during your incident with the replica gun, did you have your finger on the trigger?
i have been involved in and seen many incidents involving replica guns- in several the suspects were shot and in many they probably should have been shot-- alot of police officers that get shot or cut, hesitate- sometimes, we never find out what they were thinking at the time but most of the time they were thinking should i shoot, or they didnt perceive the reality of the situation they were in
i dont understand what you mean by" regular situations"
maybe we are just having a missunderstanding , are you saying you point your gun at someone and you dont have your finger on the trigger? or are you talking about walking up to a traffic stop with your gun down at your side?or you are walking around the inside of a building or house checking an alarm?
this thread started with the video clip as the basis for the discussion- wfo stated your finger should be kept off the trigger until you are ready to shoot- i disagreed with that and said if you are pointing your gun at a suspect that means you feel he is a threat to your life or others- ( this is the only legal reason for pointing your gun at a suspect) if he is a threat you had better be ready to shoot with your finger on the trigger- maybe we are just talking about two different things
tta-
im starting to worry about you now- first you are out there writing tickets for tinted windows and now you are clearing a house by yourself - always work with at least one other officer as a team when you clear a house or building
all the drills you do are at a range under close(hopefully)supervision- all of our officers are also trained to keep their finger outside the guard until they are ready to shoot- the problem here is the definition of "ready to shoot"- myself and everyone i train with define ready to shoot when you point your weapon at someone, or when you have responsibility for covering an area where you feel a threat to your life, a fellow officers life, or a civilian's life, might suddenly appear-
TurboJunky
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No need to worry about me, my training and/or decision making. Sometimes we don't have the luxury to have a backup when checking early afternoon B&E alarms in houses in our city that's highly alarmed. We get A LOT of false alarms which is very upscale with a population of 68,000. At most we have 6 call cars and 4 minimum. We just can't wait or get backup on all these calls, it's real-world vs. the theoretical world.
This is off-topic and will address this one time here:
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I write tinted window tickets for various reasons one of which is this; it's illegal here in Michigan to have them. Window tinting is an epidemic around here. The legislature is working to up the penalties to a 2 point moving violation for these reasons;
- DRIVER SAFETY: It hinders the driver's clear view of the road if the tint is applied to the driver's/passenger's and/or windshield. One wouldn't consider driving at night with sunglasses let alone at night in a foggy rain wearing those sunglasses. Michigan fine is currently $90, no points and no record on driving history - pathetic.
- OFFICER SAFETY: When we make traffic stops we are totally unable to see the driver of the vehicle whatsoever. He/She could be pointing a shotgun directly at us through the window and be completely concealed.
- PUBLIC SAFETY: As police officers we must be able to see and
identify occupants of a vehicle. We get BOL's (be on the lookout) for suspect vehicles all the time. When many vehicles are tinted so that nobody inside can be seen, it makes concealing of criminals and criminal activity that much easier. If a crime or driving complaint were made, identification of a car's occupants is absolutely necessary. Window tint conceals driver's identities thus making complaints or any other 3rd party driving complaint almost impossible to prosecute. Everyone MUST be able to have clear view of the driver of every vehicle. There is no "expectation of privacy" in a motor vehicle.
- NEED: There currently is no need to have the front windows of a vehicle tinted unless it's medically necessary. Michigan simply doesn't get enough dangerous sunshine like Florida, Texas or Arizona to offset the obvious safety factors tint creates. An argument I hear is that tint blocks UV rays, however there is CLEAR window film on the market that does just that, shaded tint is unnecessary.
I have personally had my gun out and ready because I couldn't see the driver as I was standing right next to the car. An occupant could have a gun leveled at an officer just a few inches away and the officer would never know it. Most people I stop have tint installed for a "cool car" look or privacy.
Keep in mind most cars have a light factory tint of 70-90% (amount of light passing through the glass) in the windshield and adjacent glass. Allowing a certain % as some states do simply isn't practical. It would be almost impossible to enforce since it takes expensive equipment in order to test light transmission through the glass and is cost prohibitive, not to mention we'd have to stop every car and test it.
There are issues for fellow drivers and pedestrians as well. Other motorists and pedestrians must see the activities of the driver for eye and visual contact as an important communication tool.
Here's a list of states/territories that disallow window tinting:
Alaska ($150 tickets for the violation)
California (Enforcement Note : Out-of-State cars driven in California
are required to be in compliance with the CA Tint law)
Colorado
Delaware
District of Columbia (Enforcement Note : Can apply to out-of-state
motorist, no out-of-state exemption defined in statute)
Hawaii - None on windshield only
Illinois
Indiana (Legislation: HB1282 which will basically outlaw window tint.
It would ban any tint that would go beyond Federal Standards which is
70% visible light transmission. Violation would fall under an enhanced
penalty of a Class B infraction which has a max fine of $1000.)
Iowa (A pending bill in the legislature would mandate light
transmission on all windows of at least 70% (Basically no aftermarket
tint allowed). Puts the federal window tint regulation into state law)
Maine - None on windshield only
Maryland - None on windshield only
Massachusetts - None on windshield only
Michigan
Minnesota - None on windshield only
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New York (Very strict law. Replacement glass that is tinted is allowed
if and only if the original windows were tinted as well. Medical
exemption is provided for with permission from Commissioner of Motor
Vehicles)
North Dakota (Enforcement Note : The tint law may be applied to
non-resident cars as written)
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Utah - None on windshield only
Vermont
Wisconsin - None on windshield only
CANADA:
Alberta
British Columbia
New Brunswick
Northwest Territories
Nova Scotia
Quebec
Saskatchewan
If tint is allowed in your state so be it, if it isn't that's great too. I'm not sure about you, but I feel very uncomfortable approaching a car and can't see the driver due to illegal tint just because he/she thinks it's "cool".
What reasons outweigh everything I've stated above??_______________________________________________
As far as the trigger finger issue, it appears most here don't believe the finger should be placed on the trigger until you're actually going to discharge a round. If anyone feels otherwise that's fine, do as you will. I'll err on the side of caution and keep mine on the outside of the guard until I'm ready to fire a shot(s) and stop the threat.
This is off-topic and will address this one time here:
______________________________________________
I write tinted window tickets for various reasons one of which is this; it's illegal here in Michigan to have them. Window tinting is an epidemic around here. The legislature is working to up the penalties to a 2 point moving violation for these reasons;
- DRIVER SAFETY: It hinders the driver's clear view of the road if the tint is applied to the driver's/passenger's and/or windshield. One wouldn't consider driving at night with sunglasses let alone at night in a foggy rain wearing those sunglasses. Michigan fine is currently $90, no points and no record on driving history - pathetic.
- OFFICER SAFETY: When we make traffic stops we are totally unable to see the driver of the vehicle whatsoever. He/She could be pointing a shotgun directly at us through the window and be completely concealed.
- PUBLIC SAFETY: As police officers we must be able to see and
identify occupants of a vehicle. We get BOL's (be on the lookout) for suspect vehicles all the time. When many vehicles are tinted so that nobody inside can be seen, it makes concealing of criminals and criminal activity that much easier. If a crime or driving complaint were made, identification of a car's occupants is absolutely necessary. Window tint conceals driver's identities thus making complaints or any other 3rd party driving complaint almost impossible to prosecute. Everyone MUST be able to have clear view of the driver of every vehicle. There is no "expectation of privacy" in a motor vehicle.
- NEED: There currently is no need to have the front windows of a vehicle tinted unless it's medically necessary. Michigan simply doesn't get enough dangerous sunshine like Florida, Texas or Arizona to offset the obvious safety factors tint creates. An argument I hear is that tint blocks UV rays, however there is CLEAR window film on the market that does just that, shaded tint is unnecessary.
I have personally had my gun out and ready because I couldn't see the driver as I was standing right next to the car. An occupant could have a gun leveled at an officer just a few inches away and the officer would never know it. Most people I stop have tint installed for a "cool car" look or privacy.
Keep in mind most cars have a light factory tint of 70-90% (amount of light passing through the glass) in the windshield and adjacent glass. Allowing a certain % as some states do simply isn't practical. It would be almost impossible to enforce since it takes expensive equipment in order to test light transmission through the glass and is cost prohibitive, not to mention we'd have to stop every car and test it.
There are issues for fellow drivers and pedestrians as well. Other motorists and pedestrians must see the activities of the driver for eye and visual contact as an important communication tool.
Here's a list of states/territories that disallow window tinting:
Alaska ($150 tickets for the violation)
California (Enforcement Note : Out-of-State cars driven in California
are required to be in compliance with the CA Tint law)
Colorado
Delaware
District of Columbia (Enforcement Note : Can apply to out-of-state
motorist, no out-of-state exemption defined in statute)
Hawaii - None on windshield only
Illinois
Indiana (Legislation: HB1282 which will basically outlaw window tint.
It would ban any tint that would go beyond Federal Standards which is
70% visible light transmission. Violation would fall under an enhanced
penalty of a Class B infraction which has a max fine of $1000.)
Iowa (A pending bill in the legislature would mandate light
transmission on all windows of at least 70% (Basically no aftermarket
tint allowed). Puts the federal window tint regulation into state law)
Maine - None on windshield only
Maryland - None on windshield only
Massachusetts - None on windshield only
Michigan
Minnesota - None on windshield only
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New York (Very strict law. Replacement glass that is tinted is allowed
if and only if the original windows were tinted as well. Medical
exemption is provided for with permission from Commissioner of Motor
Vehicles)
North Dakota (Enforcement Note : The tint law may be applied to
non-resident cars as written)
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Utah - None on windshield only
Vermont
Wisconsin - None on windshield only
CANADA:
Alberta
British Columbia
New Brunswick
Northwest Territories
Nova Scotia
Quebec
Saskatchewan
If tint is allowed in your state so be it, if it isn't that's great too. I'm not sure about you, but I feel very uncomfortable approaching a car and can't see the driver due to illegal tint just because he/she thinks it's "cool".
What reasons outweigh everything I've stated above??_______________________________________________
As far as the trigger finger issue, it appears most here don't believe the finger should be placed on the trigger until you're actually going to discharge a round. If anyone feels otherwise that's fine, do as you will. I'll err on the side of caution and keep mine on the outside of the guard until I'm ready to fire a shot(s) and stop the threat.
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