Originally posted by Turbo-Rich
You remind me of a kid that told me once "Holley's are junk, Edlebroc's are a lot better because I've had a Holley & it never ran good", LOL.
My point here is that just because YOU can't make a stick run as fast as an auto. doesn't mean someone else couldn't.
You've done ONE swap with ONE type of manual trans. Excuse me If I don't bow down in all your vast superior knowledge of every TB & stick combo. I don't believe I have "theorized" in what I said. Buddy did insist on a manual even tho it was thought auto. was better(even then & especially on stage II TB's). He even insisted on a stick in his 10.4 sec. 4cyl. Pinto. The manual trans. has been a major part of his reciepe for success.
Share your knowledge but try not to make ppl feel stupid for wanting something different. From reading your posts they don't come across like your just trying to help keep someone from making a mistake like you claim. You sound more like a know it all who can't handle someone with different idea's. It's pretty obvious that 93formula wants to keep his stick.
It's too bad you guys are so concerned with telling him how wrong he is for wanting that & how it COULD get soo expensive (A LOT of assumptions have been made here). You all keep telling him how there is all this info. that he will need to learn about TB's before he attempted something like this but it's AWFUL funny no-one is comming forth with any of that information OR even a point in the right direction to to learn what is needed.
Hey, if I were him I wouldn't want to take any advise from ppl who have done a TB/stick combo & are unhappy with it anyway.
I'm not gonna beat this to death because it has already come to an end. Just a few points.
Do you think I didn't try to make the stick run well? It was quick, especially in a 2800 lb car, but It did not utilize the full potential of the motor. I spent a heck of a long time working on the setup and came to the conclusion that I would have to spend a lot more money on the motor and accessories to make it work as well as the Automatic. I am not new to this, and did not just bolt on a part and complain it isn't as good as another without a lot of testing tweaking and tuning.
Get your facts in order before you make bold statements. If you have read my posts carefully... I have swapped a Saginaw, two different Muncies, and a Borg Warner T5 (not one) behind the 3.8 with a bunch of different rear end gear changes trying to optimize the different gear spreads. So I guess my knowledge is superior to yours.
In this car alone I have done SIX different engine swaps. We wont even get into the other cars that I have owned.
You are going off again on comparing apples and oranges. A Stage II race motor and a 4cyl Pinto ain't the same as a street driven TR setup.
I do not have the power to make anybody feel anything... It is their choice on how they feel.
As far as making ASSumptions about the costs, would you like to see some of my or Lee's parts bills? Or if you don't believe us, price out some parts for yourself. (adapter plates, scatter shields, custom clutches, flywheels, balancing, hydraulic system[ if you choose that route], machining, parts fabrication, etc.
I'm a pretty fair and open minded guy and have no reason to try and misinform anyone. Maybe I push my views a little hard because I have been challenged to back up my talk with first hand facts.
Read all of 93 formulas posts in every section, and you will see that he has been helped out and pointed in the right direction.
We can agree to disagree.
I am here to learn, (because I do not know it all) and to share what I have learned and experienced.
I second Lee's point.. If you are that concerned, why don't you try to help 93formula out, instead of trying to stirr it up with us.
Paul
