24 row Mease intercooler results

[Nick Micale]

The subject intercooler was installed on a turbo Buick the other day replacing a V-2 front mount. The results of track testing and comparing the performance numbers are very interesting.

First, the car has been running consistant, with no changes for 3 track outings, with the boost set at max which turned out to be 22 psi. The wastegate was held tightly closed and no more boost was available. These outings all were in the temperature range of 90-100 degrees.

With the Mease 24 row I/C, the boost increased to 24 psi! A total of 3 passes verified this increase both with the data recorder and a hold-type boost gauge. This indicates to me that the 24 row stock location Mease unit has less internal restriction than the V-2 front mount.

Another VERY significant bonus is the much reduced engine temps. With the V-2 after the first run the car would be about 190 degrees when returning to the pit. After 3 runs the heat soak would keep the water temp almost 200 deg. and more if the car was run much in the staging lanes. The entire time with 3 runs the temps did not go over 165 deg. with the 24 row unit. This is very exciting as the oil pressure numbers were about 10 lbs higher at idle and more at RPM!

I know this is not very scientific testing, but the "real world" numbers are valid representation of stock location I/C performance vs. a typical front mount.

The installation was straightforward with no cutting or bending and all hardware was supplied.

This intercooler should be capable of low 10's/high 9's [or more?], and plan to test this with the TA alum motor and big turbo now being put together.

 

[Reaper]

Nick, was this a test and will the V2 be put back on or will the mease unit be apart of *whitey* for a while?

keith was more then happy to hear of the results when i talked to him last.



Dathan

 

[postal]

I like stock location IC's. Too many people look right past them and go to front mounts. I do have a couple goofy questions I would like to ask about the extra boost but its late and I need sleep.

Jason

 

[Intercooler]

Originally posted by Nick Micale

Another VERY significant bonus is the much reduced engine temps. With the V-4 after the first run the car would be about 190 degrees when returning to the pit. After 3 runs the heat soak would keep the water temp almost 200 deg. and more if the car was run much in the staging lanes. The entire time with 3 runs the temps did not go over 165 deg. with the 24 row unit. This is very exciting as the oil pressure numbers were about 10 lbs higher at idle and more at RPM!

I know this is not very scientific testing, but the "real world" numbers are valid representation of stock location I/C performance vs. a typical front mount.

The installation was straightforward with no cutting or bending and all hardware was supplied.

This intercooler should be capable of low 10's/high 9's [or more?], and plan to test this with the TA alum motor and big turbo now being put together.

You state in the second sentence V-4.... do you mean V-2

As to the fit I got the GMHTP magazine and it took two people to get that one in but maybe they weren't as proficient as you. It also states in the article that the air-dams will need cut to clear the IC scoop (Keith said he made changes to clear this up), if you have lower frame braces a different set will need to be purchased or mods made to make them fit with the IC. Other than that the article stated the sway-bar was wrapped with rubber to prevent false knock. HTH

 

[mark b]

how old was the V-2 front mount? Was it cleaned internally and externally before the test?

 

[Mease Performance]

Re: Re: 24 row Mease intercooler results

Originally posted by Intercooler
You state in the second sentence V-4.... do you mean V-2

As to the fit I got the GMHTP magazine and it took two people to get that one in but maybe they weren't as proficient as you. It also states in the article that the air-dams will need cut to clear the IC scoop (Keith said he made changes to clear this up), if you have lower frame braces a different set will need to be purchased or mods made to make them fit with the IC. Other than that the article stated the sway-bar was wrapped with rubber to prevent false knock. HTH

As to the fit I got the GMHTP magazine and it took two people to get that one in but maybe they weren't as proficient as you.

any upgraded stock location intercooler will take time to align properly, if you have never installed one before it could take you an hour or so to get it aligned... I'm not sure about Rick Jensen, but I know for sure that the slp boys probabally never installed an intercooler in a buick...

 

[southern boost]

Hey Nick ,

I like the real results gives me some ideas on what my car will do when i decide what i'm goin to do ,also the Q you asked incooler one guy can install the ic by their self .



randy

 

[Mease Performance]

intercooler/sb clearance

Other than that the article stated the sway-bar was wrapped with rubber to prevent false knock. HTH

It is not a necessity to wrap the SB with rubber couplings with our intercooler, it is only a safeguard and something we have done for years, so we reccomended it in the article to Rick...

Our intercooler is very large, it was either it hit the swaybar or one of the frame braces, we opted to keep it away from the SB and remove the one frame brace, as I mentioned before the unit only slightly hits the frame brace, a fix which can be done at you local muffler shop by having them put a slightly greater bend in the one brace offering more clearance.

 

[QuickWrench]

These is great information...but what did the car actually RUN before and after? 2psi more boost is great; I'm assuming the car did in fact run faster?

 

[Nick Micale]

Originally posted by southern boost
Hey Nick ,

I like the real results gives me some ideas on what my car will do when i decide what i'm goin to do ,also the Q you asked incooler one guy can install the ic by their self . randy

As with ALL intercooler installs, even stock, a third hand is VERY helpful!


Car ran .20 and 2 MPH faster.

 

[TClassic]

Originally posted by QuickWrench
These is great information...but what did the car actually RUN before and after? 2psi more boost is great; I'm assuming the car did in fact run faster?

Thats what I'm sure EVERYONE was wondering, as in GMHTP
article the car did NOT run any faster at ALL, mph that is!!!
He did pick up 4 HUNDRETHS though.

 

[The Radius Kid]

Interesting.A couple of good questions too.
1.Was the V-2 cleaned before the testing.
2.Was it the 2 piece up pipe?

 

[boostedLC2]

How much does the Meese intercooler weigh including the mounting hardware?

Thanks,

Jim

 

[turbo87limited]

Guys, I have had my MPE 24 row for about three months now. I have had it on & off at least 3 times now. I have done each & every time by myself, it is not that hard. As far as performance gains, my seat of the pants tells me it's hauling azz. Track times will be availible by the second weekend of November.
Bubba Nicholson

 

[2FAST4U]

So basically, one MAN from the south can install this intercooler or 2-3 regular people can install it.

 

[JDSfastGN]

Originally posted by 2FAST4U
So basically, one MAN from the south can install this intercooler or 2-3 regular people can install it.

haha. that made me laugh for some reason


About the GMHTP article the testing was done during completly different conditions that were a lot worse, it was a lot hotter and the humidity was a lot higher as well. The car still ran quicker, it would be nice to see a back to back test in good weather but i think it is still a testament to the design still going faster in a lot worse conditions. Hell thats a rarity in GMHTP, i remember almost every car they have seems to go slower with more mods lol

 

[azgn]

I was at the track with Nick when he was testing the IC....conditions were about as lousy as they could be....90* and dry...

I'm sure we'll get some better data when things cool off here in AZ

I will tell you this, that is the slickest stock location IC I have ever seen.....very short hose runs, lotsa fins....doubt any front mount other than the biggest (and maybe not them) would compare

 

[DR BOOST]

that intercooler looks very impressive.

i have a few questions though.

was the v-2 in perfect condition? (pressure checked and cleaned)

2. did it use the 2 1/2 or 3 inch pipes

3. do you think that the gains were biased due to the hot weather? ... if it was 60-70 degrees outside, would the front mount's negative cooling system effects have less of an impact on performance.

in simpler terms , did the car run slower due to higher coolant temps?


tia


surej

p.s. did u forget the RMI-25?

 

[spoolin86]

I installed mine by myself. The shroud gave me fits for a little while but it does clear the swaybar without any problems. I did have to cut the air dams for the scoop to fit and may look into getting a revised one from Keith so I can replace them.

 

[Mease Performance]

OMG!!!

Originally posted by 2FAST4U
So basically, one MAN from the south can install this intercooler or 2-3 regular people can install it.

I just spit my coffee all over my desk! thanks!

3 yankees or 1 southern folk



shouldnt it be the other way around I thought red*ecks work slooow we will know when randy goes to do his...I can hear the phone ringing now