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unlocked I was around 5100 at 100 mph....that seems like quite a bit of slop...compare and see
I lost my older files with other converters...
I lost my older files with other converters...
My data collection indicates that assuming that DS is set to 26.1" tire and 3.42 gear, a locked converter will spin the motor 47 RPM for each MPH in 3rd gear.
So at 100 mph * 47 = 4700 RPM
divide by 5100 and get 92% coupling.
Bob
So at 100 mph * 47 = 4700 RPM
divide by 5100 and get 92% coupling.
Bob
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i had a 12" 2800 and went to the 9-11 2800 and the 9-11 seems to be more efficient unlocked than my 12" was.
i get more rpm drop on shifts with the 9-11.
and my clutch hits good and dont seem to slip but dont have no ds to back it up. thats at putting an estimated 570 range hp to it.
i get more rpm drop on shifts with the 9-11.
and my clutch hits good and dont seem to slip but dont have no ds to back it up. thats at putting an estimated 570 range hp to it.
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Bob, I got almost the same number thru pure calculation. A bit less as I recall. It is probably not too far out to have 8% slippage. I was hoping to have closer to that when I locked it, tho. Closer to 4700, I mean.
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hrmmm
Well, I had no idea this was here as I have been gone
Well looks like I need to clarify a few things. First of all no one can compare thier 9/11 purchase to their buddies as There are different configs for each application. That is why I take the info I do upon ordering.
The clutch size is bigger than stock and perform very well. I have not heard of any "wearing " the clutch out.
Dave, I love ya buddy but you never had the peice we make at present. Several mods have been made.
Rob, I didnt repair I replaced so I would tend to think you have another problem. REMEMBER, lock up is exhausted meaning if you cannot exhaust fluid fast enough it will unlock. For two converters that I have sold 600 of and you got the two that do not work, I find that real, real odd. However, at any time I still stand behind my word of money back gaurantee in the first year. PERIOD! Send it back.
Now on another note., Ask Jody Bernard. Read this post. Tell me he isn't testing it.
camcojb
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posted 05-14-2002 12:10 AM
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I've got several hundred miles behind the blown motor and the trans works great. The chassis dyno we ran the car on is the type that bolts directly to the axles after removing the rear wheels and tires. We did all the pulls from 3000 rpm with the converter locked. That means full torque through the trans (no tire slippage) and it was making over 700 ft. lbs. at the rear tires by 5500 rpm and climbing, actually shutting off the dyno. Very tough on the trans. I've put a couple hundred street miles on it since the dyno and it works flawlessly.
Jody
( Basically the car is a 69 RS/SS ZL-1 clone. It has a Yenko ZL-1 block with LS-7 crank and rods, Ross blower pistons (ceramic barrier coated), Comp billet roller, Canfield heads, Victor Jr. modified for EFI, Fodge Engineering throttle body, 75# injectors, and Speed Pro (FAST) ECU. I run 2 1/8" Hooker super comps and a 3" "X" pipe and full exhaust. It made 718 hp and 700+ ft. lbs. at the rear wheels at 5500 rpm. This maxed the Dynopack chassis dyno and shut off the runs.
I run a 2004R trans built by Performance Transmissions along with a 2800 stall lock-up 9/11 converter. The trans has the billet input shaft, drum, billet pan and extended pick-up; basically all the bells and whistles except for a transbrake. It has worked flawlessly. Even did all the dyno runs on a dyno that bolts directly to the axles with the converter locked; no problems. The car has an aluminum driveshaft with 1350 yokes and u-joints. There's a 12 bolt with 3.73 gears in the rear.)
As for Mr Wood, I thought if you had a problem, I know you know how to dial the phone. Yes , the converters are produced at TCS and Rusty and I have a special "agreement" . It is our exclusive deal.
There are others coping now, or trying to anyway, ( Who would have guessed), So be sure that the converter you have is in fact one of ours. I am aware that Robs buddies is.
We will be changing the front cover and clutch here shortly to improve even more. We are currently making BILLET front covers and will make the clutch even larger, but this is just to improve the already excellent design. I want the converter to be ours and only ours so I can control quality. We will be selling the new BILLET ones in July if all goes as planned.
So any other questions? I would be glad to answer and Rob, have whoever, call me and I want to get to the bottom of your problem. I still believe you got something else going on but if it proves to be my problem , I always take care of both the problem and the patron.
This converter is one slick piece. There are currently 638 of them out there in use and if this thread is any result of its performance ability I would say it is pretty good. 8% as someone noted with a turbo? That is pretty good my freind.
Locked up it has proven to be a solid reliable piece. Rusty is available at anytime to converse with also. He will give any specifics if needed. But remember, all combos are different and I can move them around to accomidate just about all applications.
I will also add if you do not feel comfortable with my product, do not purchase it. I do not need the headache. But it has proven to be a neat weapon and very well performing product.
Well, I had no idea this was here as I have been gone
Well looks like I need to clarify a few things. First of all no one can compare thier 9/11 purchase to their buddies as There are different configs for each application. That is why I take the info I do upon ordering.
The clutch size is bigger than stock and perform very well. I have not heard of any "wearing " the clutch out.
Dave, I love ya buddy but you never had the peice we make at present. Several mods have been made.
Rob, I didnt repair I replaced so I would tend to think you have another problem. REMEMBER, lock up is exhausted meaning if you cannot exhaust fluid fast enough it will unlock. For two converters that I have sold 600 of and you got the two that do not work, I find that real, real odd. However, at any time I still stand behind my word of money back gaurantee in the first year. PERIOD! Send it back.
Now on another note., Ask Jody Bernard. Read this post. Tell me he isn't testing it.
camcojb
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From: Wilton, Ca. USA
Registered: Jan 2001
posted 05-14-2002 12:10 AM
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I've got several hundred miles behind the blown motor and the trans works great. The chassis dyno we ran the car on is the type that bolts directly to the axles after removing the rear wheels and tires. We did all the pulls from 3000 rpm with the converter locked. That means full torque through the trans (no tire slippage) and it was making over 700 ft. lbs. at the rear tires by 5500 rpm and climbing, actually shutting off the dyno. Very tough on the trans. I've put a couple hundred street miles on it since the dyno and it works flawlessly.
Jody
( Basically the car is a 69 RS/SS ZL-1 clone. It has a Yenko ZL-1 block with LS-7 crank and rods, Ross blower pistons (ceramic barrier coated), Comp billet roller, Canfield heads, Victor Jr. modified for EFI, Fodge Engineering throttle body, 75# injectors, and Speed Pro (FAST) ECU. I run 2 1/8" Hooker super comps and a 3" "X" pipe and full exhaust. It made 718 hp and 700+ ft. lbs. at the rear wheels at 5500 rpm. This maxed the Dynopack chassis dyno and shut off the runs.
I run a 2004R trans built by Performance Transmissions along with a 2800 stall lock-up 9/11 converter. The trans has the billet input shaft, drum, billet pan and extended pick-up; basically all the bells and whistles except for a transbrake. It has worked flawlessly. Even did all the dyno runs on a dyno that bolts directly to the axles with the converter locked; no problems. The car has an aluminum driveshaft with 1350 yokes and u-joints. There's a 12 bolt with 3.73 gears in the rear.)
As for Mr Wood, I thought if you had a problem, I know you know how to dial the phone. Yes , the converters are produced at TCS and Rusty and I have a special "agreement" . It is our exclusive deal.
There are others coping now, or trying to anyway, ( Who would have guessed), So be sure that the converter you have is in fact one of ours. I am aware that Robs buddies is.
We will be changing the front cover and clutch here shortly to improve even more. We are currently making BILLET front covers and will make the clutch even larger, but this is just to improve the already excellent design. I want the converter to be ours and only ours so I can control quality. We will be selling the new BILLET ones in July if all goes as planned.
So any other questions? I would be glad to answer and Rob, have whoever, call me and I want to get to the bottom of your problem. I still believe you got something else going on but if it proves to be my problem , I always take care of both the problem and the patron.
This converter is one slick piece. There are currently 638 of them out there in use and if this thread is any result of its performance ability I would say it is pretty good. 8% as someone noted with a turbo? That is pretty good my freind.
Locked up it has proven to be a solid reliable piece. Rusty is available at anytime to converse with also. He will give any specifics if needed. But remember, all combos are different and I can move them around to accomidate just about all applications.
I will also add if you do not feel comfortable with my product, do not purchase it. I do not need the headache. But it has proven to be a neat weapon and very well performing product.
REDS HOT AIR
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good to see ya back Bruce hope you enjoyed your vaction.
luv my 9/11..
luv my 9/11..
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Re: hrmmm
If I decide that I do indeed have a problem, I will not hesitate to pick up the phone. After that crack, it may not be to you, however.
If I decide that I do indeed have a problem, I will not hesitate to pick up the phone. After that crack, it may not be to you, however.
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I need to do some more testing as I said elsewhere but the couple of runs I recorded seemed to be right around 5000 which was only about 100-150 rpm better than unlocked. I need to run it further and see if the loose converter is affecting the rpm at this point.
The converter works very well on the street and I went to it from a multi-disk converter that was driving me crazy on the street with the lock up that occurred each time I lifted slightly and then resumed throttle again. I like it because it feels only slightly looser than a stock converter in normal driving but will easily stall upward against the brakes. I can pull 4000 rpm easily and quickly against the brake. If I stomp it from an idle, it usually takes hold around 2900 rpm so it is very nice to drive.
My blood pressure has shot through the roof!!!
I have Bruce's (PTS) billet street/strip tranny and the billet non-lock converter and they are F*CKING AWESOME!!!! I will completely stand beside his products. And as for service and customer satisfaction, I can honestly say without a doubt, I (and MANY others I believe) can say there are NONE, yes ABSOLUTELY NONE better. Just go to the tranny section of this board and check out a few threads. I think you'll get the hint there too. I've dealt with pretty much ALL of the vendors out there and spent WAYYYYYY too much money (cost me a marriage), but I almost wish Bruce sold more than just tranny related parts... He would have ALLLLLL of my business.
Bruce, sorry to see anyone doubts your service. But this thread got me going about as much as those damn RICER threads out there and the damn "Americans" who sounds like they are siding with O-a$$-ma Butt Licken (osama bin laden). I need a beer to calm down now!!
Derrick
I have Bruce's (PTS) billet street/strip tranny and the billet non-lock converter and they are F*CKING AWESOME!!!! I will completely stand beside his products. And as for service and customer satisfaction, I can honestly say without a doubt, I (and MANY others I believe) can say there are NONE, yes ABSOLUTELY NONE better. Just go to the tranny section of this board and check out a few threads. I think you'll get the hint there too. I've dealt with pretty much ALL of the vendors out there and spent WAYYYYYY too much money (cost me a marriage), but I almost wish Bruce sold more than just tranny related parts... He would have ALLLLLL of my business.
Bruce, sorry to see anyone doubts your service. But this thread got me going about as much as those damn RICER threads out there and the damn "Americans" who sounds like they are siding with O-a$$-ma Butt Licken (osama bin laden). I need a beer to calm down now!!
Derrick
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Re: Re: hrmmm
Man, you took that wrong. What I meant was you know how to find me if needed. Arent we touchy today......
As for a crack it wasnt a crack....
And if it is 100-150 rpm different what that is telling you is the thing is very effiecent even unlocked. That is dynamite. the lower the lock up drop the more effiecent the converter is unlocked. It has to be.
Thanks Derrick, for the kind words.....
Man, you took that wrong. What I meant was you know how to find me if needed. Arent we touchy today......
As for a crack it wasnt a crack....
And if it is 100-150 rpm different what that is telling you is the thing is very effiecent even unlocked. That is dynamite. the lower the lock up drop the more effiecent the converter is unlocked. It has to be.
Thanks Derrick, for the kind words.....
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okay, I took it the wrong way, I am sorry.
It is slipping about 8% which would be about normal, I think, for an unlocked converter. It is not apparently gaining much locked but that may be due somewhat to the stall as I said.
It is slipping about 8% which would be about normal, I think, for an unlocked converter. It is not apparently gaining much locked but that may be due somewhat to the stall as I said.
What did I miss here???
Tazman...relax buddy...I don't see one word of doubt or even question about Bruce's products here?! The question was "Is it more or less the same as other converters as far as efficiency goes?" I was interested in this thread as I was looking to purchase a converter...right up until my diff went South this week. I haven't heard from anyone disappointed with Bruce's products here or elsewhere.
Jim
Tazman...relax buddy...I don't see one word of doubt or even question about Bruce's products here?! The question was "Is it more or less the same as other converters as far as efficiency goes?" I was interested in this thread as I was looking to purchase a converter...right up until my diff went South this week. I haven't heard from anyone disappointed with Bruce's products here or elsewhere.
Jim
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Now...Steve....
Dont take this the wrong way but I do find it quite complimenting that even on TB's .com you replied to that converter post several times and reccommended every converter but the one you do in fact have in your own car.
Now you keeping a secret or unhappy?
I see what you purchased and installed so it must be a good piece.
Remember the "we are watching you" statement? You really are testing me, huh?
BT
Dont take this the wrong way but I do find it quite complimenting that even on TB's .com you replied to that converter post several times and reccommended every converter but the one you do in fact have in your own car.
Now you keeping a secret or unhappy?
I see what you purchased and installed so it must be a good piece.
Remember the "we are watching you" statement? You really are testing me, huh?
BT
Re: My blood pressure has shot through the roof!!!
hey derrick, you need to relax a little. I started this thread just to fine out info relating to the 9/11 convertor, no one here has trashed Bruce's service or his product??? not sure what your reading into this thread, but it's just about convertor performance comparisons and thats it.
Originally posted by tazgn
Bruce, sorry to see anyone doubts your service. But this thread got me going about as much as those damn RICER threads out there and the damn "Americans" who sounds like they are siding with O-a$$-ma Butt Licken (osama bin laden). I need a beer to calm down now!!
Derrick [/B]
hey derrick, you need to relax a little. I started this thread just to fine out info relating to the 9/11 convertor, no one here has trashed Bruce's service or his product??? not sure what your reading into this thread, but it's just about convertor performance comparisons and thats it.
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Re: Now...Steve....
I must be testing your reading skills because I have recommended the 9/11 many times over when I thought it was the correct converter. The only other converter I have suggested is the Yank.
I am not aware of one negative word about the 9/11 that I have posted, in any of the current posts, or any past posts. I would like you to do a search and point out what you think is negative.
Perhaps your paranoia perscription needs changing?
Originally posted by WE4
Dont take this the wrong way but I do find it quite complimenting that even on TB's .com you replied to that converter post several times and reccommended every converter but the one you do in fact have in your own car.
Now you keeping a secret or unhappy?
I see what you purchased and installed so it must be a good piece.
Remember the "we are watching you" statement? You really are testing me, huh?
BT
I must be testing your reading skills because I have recommended the 9/11 many times over when I thought it was the correct converter. The only other converter I have suggested is the Yank.
I am not aware of one negative word about the 9/11 that I have posted, in any of the current posts, or any past posts. I would like you to do a search and point out what you think is negative.
Perhaps your paranoia perscription needs changing?
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Chill Steve, lol
My paranoia pescription ran out in Dec and they will not refill it.
No Steve, you have posted no negative things. I was just poking fun at you as you seem to be the best at it. I am really surprised that you take offense that easily as all the fun we have in other places. I guess maybe I was out of line, Sheesh, try to have some fun and it turns into a confrontation.
Nothing intended by it just razzing you as you always do me.
I think you may need a break from Zap as he must have turned SW into a serious , geritol eatin man. LOL
AND I said "complimented" That means a good thing in case it is not in the Trailer Park of Texas dictionary. ROFL
Steve, nothing was meant negative, and believe it or not, thanks for keeping me on my toes!
BT
My paranoia pescription ran out in Dec and they will not refill it.
No Steve, you have posted no negative things. I was just poking fun at you as you seem to be the best at it. I am really surprised that you take offense that easily as all the fun we have in other places. I guess maybe I was out of line, Sheesh, try to have some fun and it turns into a confrontation.
Nothing intended by it just razzing you as you always do me.
I think you may need a break from Zap as he must have turned SW into a serious , geritol eatin man. LOL
AND I said "complimented" That means a good thing in case it is not in the Trailer Park of Texas dictionary. ROFL
Steve, nothing was meant negative, and believe it or not, thanks for keeping me on my toes!
BT
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