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Any buick can race any ford can race as long as its a door slammer car. Heads up on a ladder #1 ford races #1 buick and so on. Its at Nobile OK
A preview of what you GN guys will see at the OK Ford/Buick shootout
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southern boost
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Hey guys well I know where ,so when is it i would like to go ,so let me know thanxs .
Randy
p.s. might find me a mustang to race with my new motor
Randy
p.s. might find me a mustang to race with my new motor
ShouldofhadaV-8
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Wow!
So, now I get it. There's something about 231 cubes and small port heads that makes it superior to "blown big blocks and nitrous sprayed LS1s."
So, a 350 inch (or bigger) with a turbo would not be any good? It seems the power adder of choice is the turbo, but last time I checked, it wasn't 6 cylinders, small cubic inches and small heads.
Just trying to make a point, that I'll bet was not understood.
So, now I get it. There's something about 231 cubes and small port heads that makes it superior to "blown big blocks and nitrous sprayed LS1s."
So, a 350 inch (or bigger) with a turbo would not be any good? It seems the power adder of choice is the turbo, but last time I checked, it wasn't 6 cylinders, small cubic inches and small heads.
Just trying to make a point, that I'll bet was not understood.
Keep talking smack everyone, its all in good fun.
What you gotta understand about a lot of buick guys is that most of them have true street cars, meaning lots of options, good manners, decent mileage, etc. The average street driven turbo buick is faster than the average daily driven mustang. The turbo buick is one a of a few cars that was turbo'd stock and easily modded to go 11's. If any manufacturer had the balls, we would have seen (and we will see eventually) bigger displacement motors with turbo's, and lets face it, like the 03-up cobra, when modded, they will flat out haul. Most guys who spend the money and time to turbo a V8 end up building a race car, like Andrews, and therefor you won't run into him at a light. What us buick guys run into is slow ass stock or lightly modded 'stangs that are barely capable of getting out of their own way. Everyone knows they can be pretty slow stock. Go to the corral, guys struggle with 12's. My buick ran 12's almost stock.
Had there been a turbo V8 option on GN's, we all know what we would be driving.
What you gotta understand about a lot of buick guys is that most of them have true street cars, meaning lots of options, good manners, decent mileage, etc. The average street driven turbo buick is faster than the average daily driven mustang. The turbo buick is one a of a few cars that was turbo'd stock and easily modded to go 11's. If any manufacturer had the balls, we would have seen (and we will see eventually) bigger displacement motors with turbo's, and lets face it, like the 03-up cobra, when modded, they will flat out haul. Most guys who spend the money and time to turbo a V8 end up building a race car, like Andrews, and therefor you won't run into him at a light. What us buick guys run into is slow ass stock or lightly modded 'stangs that are barely capable of getting out of their own way. Everyone knows they can be pretty slow stock. Go to the corral, guys struggle with 12's. My buick ran 12's almost stock.
Had there been a turbo V8 option on GN's, we all know what we would be driving.
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Originally posted by turbosam6
Keep talking smack everyone, its all in good fun.
What you gotta understand about a lot of buick guys is that most of them have true street cars, meaning lots of options, good manners, decent mileage, etc. The average street driven turbo buick is faster than the average daily driven mustang. The turbo buick is one a of a few cars that was turbo'd stock and easily modded to go 11's. If any manufacturer had the balls, we would have seen (and we will see eventually) bigger displacement motors with turbo's, and lets face it, like the 03-up cobra, when modded, they will flat out haul. Most guys who spend the money and time to turbo a V8 end up building a race car, like Andrews, and therefor you won't run into him at a light. What us buick guys run into is slow ass stock or lightly modded 'stangs that are barely capable of getting out of their own way. Everyone knows they can be pretty slow stock. Go to the corral, guys struggle with 12's. My buick ran 12's almost stock.
Had there been a turbo V8 option on GN's, we all know what we would be driving.
Like I said, it has nothing to do with Buick, Mustang, Chevy, Pontiac (or pick your brand loyalty). There are plenty of vehicles, that if you take the power adder away, they'er nothing. A Lightning (truck) will run 12's on pump gas, a Cobra runs 12's on pump gas, so do ZO-6 Vettes, and probably a number of other vehicles I didn't mention. As for your argument about what's slow, just remember, you take the power adder (yes, factory installed) off, and it probably runs 17's. I would venture to say that the 231 Buick V-6 would basically be relegated to a nothing as well without the power adder.
I've noticed the arguments are that "it came factory installed." That's a sound argument, but when somebody brings up one of the other cars I mentioned, now all of a sudden they have to be also be subject to 1987 Buick purchase prices.
Again, there is no "magic" in 231 cubic inches w/small heads. If there is any magic, IT'S IN A TURBO ON ANYTHING.
I thinks that guy Andrew's car runs in the FFW True Street class, which requires a 30 mile cruise, no hood popping and no tire changes after the cruise. That is CERTAINLY a street car by ANYBODY'S standards. It will probably run low 8's in said trim.
Rant over.
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Fact of the matter is that most of the mustangs I have seen people put turbos on still do not make the power some of us do.I have raced a blown LS1 and beat it...on pump gas no less.OOPs there goes the blown v8 argument.I have ran Nitrous huffing stangs and camaros and I have cleaned their clocks.So why is that?I mean it IS a V8 and it DOES have a power adder.What is your take on this SHOULDOFHADAV6?
The Buick v6 just seems to work better IMO because it was designed to.Besides most of you mustang punks try to rest on the v8 being bigger...just because you put a motor together and put a turbo on it doesn't mean it is going to work together.This is a matter of knowing what you are doing and not just racing magazine articles and dyno sheets.
The Buick v6 just seems to work better IMO because it was designed to.Besides most of you mustang punks try to rest on the v8 being bigger...just because you put a motor together and put a turbo on it doesn't mean it is going to work together.This is a matter of knowing what you are doing and not just racing magazine articles and dyno sheets.
Man, I hate to burst your bubble but theres nothing special about the buick v6. It wasn't "designed to" be anything. Its the same motor they put in a lot of cars N/A. Its a pushrod v6 with sh!tty oiling and an awesome induction system. Thats really the only area that buick really shined in, the DIS, intake, and turbo system were very advanced for the day.
If you think about it, the displacement between the mustangs and the buicks is very small. I know some run big strokers, but theres a lot of 302-308 turbo cars, and since the smallest buick would be 231, thats a hair over 70 inches. Stage guys are around 274 or so, bringing the difference even closer. V6 or V8 has zero to do with it.
Both sides have their strong points, both have their weak. The simple fact is the mustangs are cheaper and easier to build with a better aftermarket base. Period. For what I have in my Gn I would be knocking on Andrews door. But, no offense to Andrew, he has a cookie cutter car, that anyone with the $$$ could build right now. And for someone wanting to go that fast, they would be stupid not to. Theres no rarity involved, parts are easy to find, lots of builders to pick from, etc. But I like pulling into a car show and having the only Gn there, and I like going to the local hangout and smoking everyone with my 6 cylinder. Plus, the Gn just looks better.
Making a 30 mile cruise doesn't make it a street car by many standards. Hell, I'll drive John Forces funny car on the street until they pull me over. It still ain't a street car. Ask Andrew if he drives it on the street regularly. I speak to him on the phone every so often, trust me, he ain't driving it to work.
If you think about it, the displacement between the mustangs and the buicks is very small. I know some run big strokers, but theres a lot of 302-308 turbo cars, and since the smallest buick would be 231, thats a hair over 70 inches. Stage guys are around 274 or so, bringing the difference even closer. V6 or V8 has zero to do with it.
Both sides have their strong points, both have their weak. The simple fact is the mustangs are cheaper and easier to build with a better aftermarket base. Period. For what I have in my Gn I would be knocking on Andrews door. But, no offense to Andrew, he has a cookie cutter car, that anyone with the $$$ could build right now. And for someone wanting to go that fast, they would be stupid not to. Theres no rarity involved, parts are easy to find, lots of builders to pick from, etc. But I like pulling into a car show and having the only Gn there, and I like going to the local hangout and smoking everyone with my 6 cylinder. Plus, the Gn just looks better.
Making a 30 mile cruise doesn't make it a street car by many standards. Hell, I'll drive John Forces funny car on the street until they pull me over. It still ain't a street car. Ask Andrew if he drives it on the street regularly. I speak to him on the phone every so often, trust me, he ain't driving it to work.
Oh, and just because you beat a blown ls1 on the street doesn't mean you'll beat them all. I've beat blown AND nitrous'd big blocks, but I bet theres a few out there that would hand me my ass.
I don't want to sound like I'm taking the ford side in all this, as it brings a smile to my face when we dust them , but all things considered, its a pretty fair race. Over time of course, its going to become more and more mustang biased, as the aftermarket is still booming for them, parts are still readily available, and stuff is actually getting cheaper. Buick stuff just goes up. Maybe they should make it into a GM vs. Ford turbo event?
I don't want to sound like I'm taking the ford side in all this, as it brings a smile to my face when we dust them
, but all things considered, its a pretty fair race. Over time of course, its going to become more and more mustang biased, as the aftermarket is still booming for them, parts are still readily available, and stuff is actually getting cheaper. Buick stuff just goes up. Maybe they should make it into a GM vs. Ford turbo event?ShouldofhadaV-8
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Boost is a substitute for cubic inches, more boost=more cubes, and 231 inches at 14lbs is more cubic inches and more HP than most N/A V-8's. 70 cubic inches N/A hardly makes up for 14-25 pounds of boost on your 231. If you left your vehicle as the factory set it, I believe they ran low 14's. But you have increased the boost and added various bolt-ons. That is why you are significantly faster. NOT BECAUSE THERE IS ANY SPECIAL MAGIC IN YOUR BUICK OR 231 CUBES. But I know, you can't believe that.
I won't waste any more time trying to educate you. If you can't remove yourself from the "Buick is best, 231 cubes is magic, and because with an increased amount of boost and bolt-ons, you are superior to (whatever)" mentality, than you are just plain uninformed and incapable of understanding the physics behind it all.
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I beat them at the track.I do not street race.They had slicks and I had slicks.Check the e.t in the sig,thats street trim for me....now add a little boost and some timing....hmmmmmm....But I prefer to run as fast as I can on easily available pump gas.I do not want to be a part time hero that has to leave when the bottle runs empty or if the race gas i need is not there.Did you not notice I said I beat them with pump gas and low boost,of course they werent KOTH cars...DUH!Point is they were v8 with PA vs my v6 with PA and still lost.Proving that a v8 with PA is not necessarily always going to make more power.Did I lose you somewhere?
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What does then? Driving from Florida to Canada? I think if it can drive for 30 miles without stalling, overheating or whatever, it DOES and SHOULD qualify as a street car. Regardless of what gas it burns. If you're rich enough, you could keep having C-16 delivered to your doorstep. As far as something as radical as in your example, you picked something that would have a hard time driving down the return road, let alone 30 miles. If you're going to limit your "street" car to pump gas, that would slow down many of the Buicks out there, because it's no small secret that they use a lot of boost (over 14 lbs) to get their "advantage."
You said "Its a street car by ANY standard", I disagree. Hell yeah I'd drive it on the street, and as far as I'm concerned, its a street car. But you saying "by any standard" is wrong. Most guys wouldn't consider that a street car. It has a solid wolfe style bar, and burns very expensive race gas.
My requirements for a vehicle to be streetable are probably more lax than even yours. We cruised my buddies blown big block camaro on alcohol with a 5 gallon fuel cell and a truck behind him with the barrel of alky to refuel! If it can physically drive on the street, its good enough for me! I don't think I have even owned a car that was completely legal for street use now that I think about it. Thank god they don't have emissions testing here.
My requirements for a vehicle to be streetable are probably more lax than even yours. We cruised my buddies blown big block camaro on alcohol with a 5 gallon fuel cell and a truck behind him with the barrel of alky to refuel! If it can physically drive on the street, its good enough for me! I don't think I have even owned a car that was completely legal for street use now that I think about it. Thank god they don't have emissions testing here.
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I would like to say some thing here the buick v-6 is the only v-6 to ever run nascar and did do decent in the series until they lost there backin . I have also seen a normally aspirated buick 3.8 v-6 in a cutlass run in the low 12s with a little work and it ran in the high 10s on a 150 shot of nos ,so they can run numbers and make power without a turbo.
thanxs randy
p.s. look in the nascar history at the dyno numbers of the v-6 pretty strong.
bottom line it all in what you like hell there some ricers that could come over and kick all our a$$
thanxs randy
p.s. look in the nascar history at the dyno numbers of the v-6 pretty strong.
bottom line it all in what you like hell there some ricers that could come over and kick all our a$$
IMO
a loss is a loss, a win is a win. I could care less about who as more or less pistons. If I lose in my 4cyl(SVO). I NEVER think "well he's got more displacement". I want to make another mod and win the next one! Heck, all my cars are slow(but faser than my sig. ) Have fun
Ross L
a loss is a loss, a win is a win. I could care less about who as more or less pistons. If I lose in my 4cyl(SVO). I NEVER think "well he's got more displacement". I want to make another mod and win the next one! Heck, all my cars are slow(but faser than my sig.
) Have funRoss L
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I ran 8.94 @ 159 on the rev limiter for the last 100 feet last weekend. 60' time was 1.55
Oh yeah... I was at 3306# (much heavier than I'll be at the shootout).
And one more thing... THAT PASS WAS ON DRAG RADIALS!!!!
Y'all scared yet? 
Yes, I'm coming out on slicks.
Oh yeah... I was at 3306# (much heavier than I'll be at the shootout).
And one more thing... THAT PASS WAS ON DRAG RADIALS!!!!
Y'all scared yet?
Yes, I'm coming out on slicks.
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Yes. Full raceweight.
Originally posted by Andrew91GT
I ran 8.94 @ 159 on the rev limiter for the last 100 feet last weekend. 60' time was 1.55
Oh yeah... I was at 3306# (much heavier than I'll be at the shootout).
And one more thing... THAT PASS WAS ON DRAG RADIALS!!!!
Y'all scared yet?
Yes, I'm coming out on slicks.
Here is a video for you and a preview of what's going to happen at shootout....
http://www.whiteracing.com/Videos/JerryMilan8-24-2004_Run2.mpg
That car recently ran 7.95 @177mph on a 10.5" tire weighing 3455lbs w/ driver.... Just a little 268ci twin turbo V6...
Don't know if he'll be at the shootout, but you better hope not
BTW, 8's on DRs is pretty damn impressive! Guy down here with a red Mustang named Mike Dees ran 8.29 @174mph last year at the World Street Nats running in the Radial Tire class.... You gonna bring your Stang to Orlando??
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