ALKY: before & after track results

[Little6pack]

I am thinking about installing the Razor Alky kit come spring.

OK I realize alky is great for knock elemination & allows use of pump gas but I don't see a big woopala here about results at track.

Can any of you alcholics post some before & after track results you got using alky.

 

[Hiwinds]

Mine isnt a gn but it is a syclone and here are some results


With a pt61 I could only run about 16-17 psi. without knock
track times were in the 8.0x range

With the alky I can run 25-26 psi.
track times are in the 7.1x

All the diff. in the world.
On a side note this is on a real radial not drag radails.

 

[2QUIK6]

Similar times in my GN as above with a GT6131E turbo. Max boost with pump gas alone was about 18-19# and 19 degrees of timing and would run 7.9x in the 1/8. With alky, I run 22 degrees and 24# of boost and run 7.2x in the 1/8. That 0.5 sec is a huge difference...its the difference in chirping the tires at 50mph on the street and smoking the tires off at 50mph

 

[Little6pack]

Well I thought to see more responses, but from what you guys wrote it seems to be about an average of 5 or 6 /10 difference. I guess it is equal to nos.

Thanks for the input

 

[2QUIK6]

Well I thought to see more responses, but from what you guys wrote it seems to be about an average of 5 or 6 /10 difference. I guess it is equal to nos.

Thanks for the input

nos and TR's don't mix very well. Also, 5 gallons of Methanol will last me almost a whole year and that includes going out to the track at least once a month, and only costs $12 for that year long supply.

 

[Little6pack]

nos and TR's don't mix very well. Also, 5 gallons of Methanol will last me almost a whole year and that includes going out to the track at least once a month, and only costs $12 for that year long supply.

Correct NOS is a NO NO for Buicks. I ment to say equvolent to cutting down time in general.

 

[badgrandntl]

Don't mean to hijack your thread, but what if I use 110 race gas, I am thinking on getting alky will that help me out alot? Thanks Scott

 

[Hyboost4Banger]

I used to run 119 mph 1/4 mi. traps @ 25 psi on race gas. I thought that was so fast!. I was always sad to turn it back down to 17 psi and retune when the race gas was gone. Now I see 122 mph 1/4 mile traps @ 35 psi with alky, and I criuse around town, drive to the beach, grocery store, go on Sunday drives, fill up with 92 octane and top up the meth, and cruise around town some more and back to the track 500 miles and a month later still boosting 35 psi on the same tune. I might as well chuck my boost controller as I don't use it anymore.

I dunno, do you think Alky helped me out?

I've almost gone thru a 55 gallon drum of the stuff, my kit has been on the car for almost two years. I would'nt boost without it.

 

[JDSfastGN]

my best pump gas run on my setup had been 11.92 at 112 at 17 psi etc(i have actually gone 11.68 on pump gas no alky on a fluke 1.56 60 ft on slicks... but its not a fair comparison) After alky i have run 11.48 at 117.8 on 24 psi (not a clean pass, and thats the best so far on alky) I have trapped 95-96mph on alky in the 1/8th compared to 93-4 on 110 and the same boost.

 

[Little6pack]

I used to run 119 mph 1/4 mi. traps @ 25 psi on race gas. I thought that was so fast!. I was always sad to turn it back down to 17 psi and retune when the race gas was gone. Now I see 122 mph 1/4 mile traps @ 35 psi with alky, and I criuse around town, drive to the beach, grocery store, go on Sunday drives, fill up with 92 octane and top up the meth, and cruise around town some more and back to the track 500 miles and a month later still boosting 35 psi on the same tune. I might as well chuck my boost controller as I don't use it anymore.

I dunno, do you think Alky helped me out?

I've almost gone thru a 55 gallon drum of the stuff, my kit has been on the car for almost two years. I would'nt boost without it.

I guess it has helped but you have to crank the sxxt out of the boost by 10 lbs to get 3 more mph Of course your car is not a buick so it is comparing apples & oranges. If I was to put my boost at 35 I may as well set a mission for the moon.

 

[Little6pack]

my best pump gas run on my setup had been 11.92 at 112 at 17 psi etc(i have actually gone 11.68 on pump gas no alky on a fluke 1.56 60 ft on slicks... but its not a fair comparison) After alky i have run 11.48 at 117.8 on 24 psi (not a clean pass, and thats the best so far on alky) I have trapped 95-96mph on alky in the 1/8th compared to 93-4 on 110 and the same boost.

Now this sounds pretty good in results. Again just a generic but it seems alky will cut my times down & allow me not to spen $$ on race gas. I am liking what I see.

 

[V8Killer]

I've got 55 gallons nearby when your ready How 'bout 111 on pump gas & a STOCK turbo :biggrin: -Al

 

[2QUIK6]

Obvisiously anything that will add octane and/or reduce cylinder temps is going to help you run faster, alky (preferably methanol) does both so it will allow you to crank the boost up. With stock untouched/non-ported heads, you will not see much gain over 24-25# of boost. And yes, you can use race gas and alky together, nothing wrong with that, the alky in this case will help lower the temps more, may not add much octance, but can also help compensate for an inadequate intercooler. The reason some folks may say you don't want to run race gas with alky is because their tune is setup up for purely race gas...when you add alky, you must reduce your fuel in the tune otherwise you will be too rich. But alky can be used with race gas as long as you reduce some fueling..how much depends on how much alky you want to spray in for the added cooling effect.

 

[Royal-T-Ltd]

Ask Razor what his times were before he added alky im sure there will be more than .5 gain there. its all about the combo - AND you guys talkin about NOS and Turbo's check out his recent testing.

 

[2QUIK6]

AND you guys talkin about NOS and Turbo's check out his recent testing.

If you mess with nos very carefully and not in big doses, it can be a very big help, especially at take off to get the turbo spooled. Notice Julio is only using a 35hp shot, also Julio has some head work done. Most who try nos try in doses of the 50-100+ range, and thats where the danger begins, these motors aren't like a LT1/LS1 motor that loves nos.

 

[Alky V6]

Presently, I've used a 200 shot very reliably just to spool the turbo. I've built a little progression into it so that it doesn't hit real hard. I only use it for around .5 seconds, then it's off. I'm looking into extending that period slightly in the future. Just watch the A/F carefully and its a breaze.

 

[Razor]

If you mess with nos very carefully and not in big doses, it can be a very big help, especially at take off to get the turbo spooled. Notice Julio is only using a 35hp shot, also Julio has some head work done. Most who try nos try in doses of the 50-100+ range, and thats where the danger begins, these motors aren't like a LT1/LS1 motor that loves nos.

One saying... ENGINE MANAGEMENT... without proper engine management.. dont play with the juice.

I'm stepping up to an XFI so I can handle the nitrous better.. my current box is uncapable to properly activate the nitrous..

My big question was how much it picked up... I answered that question to myself.. now its introduce a larger shot.. 50-75.. etc and see where that takes things. Neat thing was to see a 35 picked up like 60.

And on stock pistons.. Boy i'm mean to my motor :biggrin: 584.7 on stock pistons to the wheels.. :wink: