Am I lacking anything for 9.70/9.80's?

[FastRegalWE2]

First off, I have eliminated as much weight as I can and feel comfy calling it a street car. No sound deadner anywhere, aluminum bumper supports, alum drums, alum heads, pro star alum wheels, alum driveshaft, alum rear upper and lower control arms, alum rear diff cover, full set RJC pullies, alum core support waiting to be installed, lightweight starter, no stereo, no spare, removed the power windows for manuals.... but I still have the A/C.

Heres the stuff on the car. What Id like to kow if there seems to be anything missing, aside from my driving skill, that would keep me from running the times in the thread topic


TCI Competition TH400 with Reverse manual valvebody, JW Ultrabell
PTC 9" 3600 stall converter
Turbonetics T70mm P Trim Turbo .85 A/R
.040 over Stock 109 Block (ARP Main Studs)
Ported stock lower intake
Diamond Forged Pistons (ARP Rod Bolts)
Diamond Racing Series Rings
Eagle Forged Steel Crank
K1 Tech Forged H Beam Rods
Clevite bearings
RJC Block Girdle
BHJ balancer
JW flexpalte
all internal balanced
RJC alum pullies, full set
Champion Billet Fuel Rails
Champion Racing Ported Aluminum GN1 Heads (ARP Studs)
Scorpion Pedestal Mount 1:55 Full Roller Rockers
Precision 70mm upper plenum
Accufab 70mm Throttle Body
215/220 Revolution X roller cam
83lb/hr injectors
F.A.S.T Bank 2 Bank Fuel Injection System
Razors Progressive Alky Kit
ATR 3" DP w/external Wastegate
Tnetics Evolution Wastegate
Dual intank Walbro 255lph fuel pumps
Moser Forged Axles w/ARP wheels Studs
TA Perforamcne Rearend Girdle
Metco adjustable rear upper control arms
Metco solid aluminum rear lower control arms
HRpartsNStuff rear sway bar
Bilstein shocks
ATR SS Jet Hot caoted headers
PST Front End kit
Poly Body bushings
PT&E FMIC
Accufabb AFPR
Accufabb 70mm throttle body (polished)
4" Big Mouth CAI
4" MAF pipe
HrPartsnStuff Ploy motor Mount
ATR Test pipe w/dump
ATR driveshaft safety loop
Hooker 2 1/2 Cat back
Dynomax bullet mufflers
billet thermo housing
Kirban Variable Rate Rear Springs
Autometer Oil Pressure, 30Boost/30Vacuum, Water Temp, Fuel Pressure, EGT, Monster tach w/shift lite
Weld Pro Stars
Mickey Thompson 275/60/15 Drag Radials
Braided SS turbo feed and drain
160* thermo
Moroso line lock
MARK H EGR block off cover
Ramchargers Dual Fans w/Plug N Play Harness
Accel IGN Coil
Dual Walbro 255 in-tank pumps
-8 AN fuel feed line
-6 AN trans cooler lines

:smile:

 

[Dr.drivability]

9'sssss

First off, I have eliminated as much weight as I can and feel comfy calling it a street car. No sound deadner anywhere, aluminum bumper supports, alum drums, alum heads, pro star alum wheels, alum driveshaft, alum rear upper and lower control arms, alum rear diff cover, full set RJC pullies, alum core support waiting to be installed, lightweight starter, no stereo, no spare, removed the power windows for manuals.... but I still have the A/C.

Heres the stuff on the car. What Id like to kow if there seems to be anything missing, aside from my driving skill, that would keep me from running the times in the thread topic


TCI Competition TH400 with Reverse manual valvebody, JW Ultrabell
PTC 9" 3600 stall converter
Turbonetics T70mm P Trim Turbo .85 A/R
.040 over Stock 109 Block (ARP Main Studs)
Ported stock lower intake
Diamond Forged Pistons (ARP Rod Bolts)
Diamond Racing Series Rings
Eagle Forged Steel Crank
K1 Tech Forged H Beam Rods
Clevite bearings
RJC Block Girdle
BHJ balancer
JW flexpalte
all internal balanced
RJC alum pullies, full set
Champion Billet Fuel Rails
Champion Racing Ported Aluminum GN1 Heads (ARP Studs)
Scorpion Pedestal Mount 1:55 Full Roller Rockers
Precision 70mm upper plenum
Accufab 70mm Throttle Body
215/220 Revolution X roller cam
83lb/hr injectors
F.A.S.T Bank 2 Bank Fuel Injection System
Razors Progressive Alky Kit
ATR 3" DP w/external Wastegate
Tnetics Evolution Wastegate
Dual intank Walbro 255lph fuel pumps
Moser Forged Axles w/ARP wheels Studs
TA Perforamcne Rearend Girdle
Metco adjustable rear upper control arms
Metco solid aluminum rear lower control arms
HRpartsNStuff rear sway bar
Bilstein shocks
ATR SS Jet Hot caoted headers
PST Front End kit
Poly Body bushings
PT&E FMIC
Accufabb AFPR
Accufabb 70mm throttle body (polished)
4" Big Mouth CAI
4" MAF pipe
HrPartsnStuff Ploy motor Mount
ATR Test pipe w/dump
ATR driveshaft safety loop
Hooker 2 1/2 Cat back
Dynomax bullet mufflers
billet thermo housing
Kirban Variable Rate Rear Springs
Autometer Oil Pressure, 30Boost/30Vacuum, Water Temp, Fuel Pressure, EGT, Monster tach w/shift lite
Weld Pro Stars
Mickey Thompson 275/60/15 Drag Radials
Braided SS turbo feed and drain
160* thermo
Moroso line lock
MARK H EGR block off cover
Ramchargers Dual Fans w/Plug N Play Harness
Accel IGN Coil
Dual Walbro 255 in-tank pumps
-8 AN fuel feed line
-6 AN trans cooler lines

:smile:

Man I hope not. I'm hoping to do it with less!!

 

[vader87]

A roll cage! Good luck on your run!

 

[SGRIM]

Uncap that exhuast, or get 3" or bigger! Turn up the boost and ride out:biggrin: Nice combo!

 

[TURBO 6]

One misconception people seem to have is that just because you put a combo together it may not run the number. The 30 or so people that have put a 109 in the 9's tuned the hell out of their cars. Probably to alot of trips to the track, breaking parts, and frustration. Personally I would say you put together a solid 10 second combo. Take it anyway you want it, but I speak from experience.
I think the turbo is gonna limit you. I had a 70Q trim on my old car and the mph was there just didn't hook to get in the 9's. Another thing is the alky. You're gonna need close to 30#'s of boost, so the alky might be a on the edge. I would try to get it in the 9's on C-16, then switch over to alky. You could use both to get the intake air tems down on race fuel. Just a couple of suggestions to help you along.

 

[nordy racer]

One misconception people seem to have is that just because you put a combo together it may not run the number. The 30 or so people that have put a 109 in the 9's tuned the hell out of their cars. Probably to alot of trips to the track, breaking parts, and frustration. Personally I would say you put together a solid 10 second combo. Take it anyway you want it, but I speak from experience.

totally true.. i'm in that same boat for the past year.. it just takes time and MONEY..Ooo i forgot, you need a lot of BOOST too ..

 

[Turbo1dr]

I'd like to hear from the people that can get into the 9's with just 23psi of boost? What are your secrets to get there? Is that the boost level you're really running or are you telling a little white lie and it's really 30+psi.......with a 231cid engine AND at a weight of 3550+lbs?

According to my 8th mile times with a P trim 70 turbo...6.69 at 104...I haven't been able to get into the 9's even with 25psi of boost. My car weighs 3536 with me in it. I've also got a lot of hockey on mine too to run 9's.

 

[TURBO 6]

Yeah, they're not telling everything. I was running around 30#'s. My car has been 107 in the 1/8th and never got close to running 9.99. Hell my best mph was 134. I did it once and couldn't back it up.

 

[nordy racer]

Yeah, they're not telling everything. I was running around 30#'s. My car has been 107 in the 1/8th and never got close to running 9.99. Hell my best mph was 134. I did it once and couldn't back it up.

you can see my best times below on the sign.. all are at 28 to 29psi with a race weight at 3650lbs.. i know my 60'fts are not helping me, on avg i pull 1.50's to 1.48's off the trans at 17psi launch..

i'm currently putting the car on a diet, and hopefully should be 150lbs lighter up front.. Anderson is making me a 3.5 downpipe and i'm tighting the convertor up to 3700 still (was 4000 or so).. hopefully with this and boost levels at 34psi it SHOULD pull 137mph and a 9 sec slip...

 

[RICHIE HIGH PSI]

very similar combo as mine. ran 9.59 on 24-25psi.
140 in the 1/4.
just need seat time and tuning.

 

[ttypewhite]

I'd like to hear from the people that can get into the 9's with just 23psi of boost? What are your secrets to get there? Is that the boost level you're really running or are you telling a little white lie and it's really 30+psi.......with a 231cid engine AND at a weight of 3550+lbs?

According to my 8th mile times with a P trim 70 turbo...6.69 at 104...I haven't been able to get into the 9's even with 25psi of boost. My car weighs 3536 with me in it. I've also got a lot of hockey on mine too to run 9's.

I don't consider the psi as really being much. Some have high comp and 23 to 25psi is probably just about as much boost as they can run safely. Either run lots of comp and low boost or low comp and high boost. One of the main factors that lines everything up is a good tranny with the right converter that gives the proper slipage with one hell of a tune to complement everything.

 

[V6RACER]

You don't have to run a lot of boost to go nines. I used to think the same way until I ran my first four 9 second passes with less than 22 psi and unported GN1s. It takes the right combination and a good tune.

Jeffrey, You will need to work on suspension and hit your shifts everytime. I don't know if you will make it to the nines with a 275/60 drag radial without a good boost controller, but you never know.

 

[FastRegalWE2]

thanks for all the replies guys. Im going to be taking it down to Conleys for a retune when I get the chance. The track in OK is quite close so seat time should be no prob as long as I dont break a bunch of parts. I was thinking of ditching the alky and just running C16. Def going to get some 15x10 wheels with some 28x10.50 slicks. It will def take some getting used to running the TH400 with the RMVB. I plan on oredering a Greddy ProSpec B to use as a boost controller also. Going to have to get the pinion angle where it needs to be too.
Im running about 9:2.1 compression.

 

[Turbo1dr]

All the guys running 9's with 22 to 25psi and full weight, were you running a 231 CID engine?

 

[MIB]

Take your time. I know your motor is making some power. I know RED. That car should run some 9's easy. I'd run 116 in it all the time until you get it tuned. I know my car should run at least 9.90s on DR's, pump gas and 19 psi. It's running the mph, just have to keep tuning. Good Luck

 

[SGRIM]

All the guys running 9's with 22 to 25psi and full weight, were you running a 231 CID engine?

It's done all the time! I believe the day at the Rock Sully was only running 23-24#'s and ran 9.80's. And I am pretty sure year before last he ran 9's with a stock bottem end!

Jason hit the nail on the head, it's in the combo and the tune. Jay spent five minutes in one of my cars and made it MUCH faster than it was with what I thought was a "good" tune.

Oh and I think the biggest thing to take into consideration on this argument if 24#'s from one turbo isnt' the same as 24#'s from a totally different turbo!

BTW you know the TSM psi limit is 24#'s:wink:

 

[FastRegalWE2]

Take your time. I know your motor is making some power. I know RED. That car should run some 9's easy. I'd run 116 in it all the time until you get it tuned. I know my car should run at least 9.90s on DR's, pump gas and 19 psi. It's running the mph, just have to keep tuning. Good Luck

Im not worried about breaking the engine, pretty sure its solid since he flooged the hell out of it on the dyno the day he tuned it. I have bad luck though and am gonna break something.

Im waiting on an answer from Conleys about logging FAST files and having then tweaked via email as that is my only option at the moment.

 

[TURBO 6]

Well, how much power did it make on the dyno? That'll tell you everything. I'm not saying you don't have a capable combo, because the car should make the mph.
I love to see data logs from some 9 second cars with 24psi.

 

[RUQWKNF]

My 2 cents FWIW.

Like Jason and the others have said, it's all in the combo. The right crank, right rods, right pistons, right cam, complete fuel system, turbo, intercooler, and the most important part of all, a very thorough tune. There are so many small things that can add up and make serious power. Attention to detail, attention to detail, attention to detail. Seat time, perfecting your launches with rock solid repeatability and check, check and recheck everything. Never take anything for granted. I know V6RACER personally. He is someone who has been chasing his goal for a long time. Perfecting his combination, listening to the experts and sticking with his plan. And I am proud to hear of his accomplishments. One thing people don't really realize is, just how long and hard people have worked to run in the 9's with 109 setups. It's no where near as easy to go fast with a production setup as it is with say Ford or Chevy products. There are a lot of secrets out there, especially in the TSM combos, but it's not impossible, and it's also something that just doesn't happen over night. A couple of words of advice I can give,

- Pay attention to back pressure, once you reach a 2:1 ratio, something has to be changed. 2:1 means, if your back pressure (usually monitored just before the inlet of the turbine housing) is at 60psi and your boost pressure at the intake is 30psi, something has to be changed. This change could be a larger turbine housing swap, a turbine wheel upgrade, a camshaft swap, porting of the heads, larger primary tube headers and or larger crossover pipe, 3.5" downpipe and or a larger cat back exhaust system.
- Cubic inches are your friend. There's a reason the CI limitations are in the rules for TSM. Think about it. I guarantee you a lot of others are but just don't talk about it.
- Invest in an quality engine management system with on the fly wide band O2 tuning capabilities. (XFI, BS3, Trans Pro) Anything that can adjust your fuel curve based on A/F ratios while you making a pass, have the capability to datalog a run, and show you where changes were made during you run will really go along way to helping you get the perfect tune.
- Drive it like you stole it. This is where seat time comes into play.
- Don't skimp on the small stuff. Things like axles, wheel studs, anything rear end related, driveshaft, u-joints, roll cage, safety equipment.
And lastly...
- Don't give up. You will reach your goal, just don't give up.
I had a goal with my old grey car to only run in the 10.00's. It took me 5 years, but I finally realized it.

And that's all I have to say about that.....

Patrick

 

[Turbo1dr]

It's done all the time! I believe the day at the Rock Sully was only running 23-24#'s and ran 9.80's. And I am pretty sure year before last he ran 9's with a stock bottem end!

Jason hit the nail on the head, it's in the combo and the tune. Jay spent five minutes in one of my cars and made it MUCH faster than it was with what I thought was a "good" tune.

Oh and I think the biggest thing to take into consideration on this argument if 24#'s from one turbo isnt' the same as 24#'s from a totally different turbo!

BTW you know the TSM psi limit is 24#'s:wink:

Doesn't Sully have a stroker?

I love to see data logs from some 9 second cars with 24psi.

I'd also like to see some data logs but I don't think people will be so kind as to share them.