Anyone care to take a look at a Powerlogger file for me

[Sleeper]

I have a Powerlogger file I need some advice on. The AFR is doing a odd swing. Take a look from frame 909 where it drops from 14.xx down to 12.xx for no apparent reason. And starting at frame 980 on, where I get into it a bit, it drops really low and then goes really lean. I'm amazed at that amount of boost I have no knock!
I'm having a problem trying to attach all my MAFT Pro settings in a spreadsheet to save time trying to cut and paste all the info. Don't seem to be able to download a .bin either
Sorry have to cut and paste

MAFT Pro v5.x Online Guide and Worksheet
CFG Settings
Ver 5.03 Oct 11/15 Ver 5.27 Oct 13/15
Selection Default 5.27 My Settings 1 Sheet 1 TRY settings My Settings 3 Notes
1) Vehicle Select Mode: 0 0 0
2) # of Cyl.'s 6 6 6
3) Displacement 3.8 3.8 3.8
4) Airfl Mode 0 0 0
5) MAP Source 0 0 0
6) Load Srce (Dens Srce) 0 0 0
7) Baro Mode 0 0 0
8) F-Out Mode 8 8 8
9) V-Out1 Mode 1 1 1
10) V-Out2 Mode 0 1 0
11) AFR Source 0 1 1
12) F-In Mode 0 5 0
13) Aux 1 Mode 0 1 1
14) FlowErr Mode 0 0 0

System Setup
1) Main Scale 0.0 0.00 0.0
2) V-Out1 Set 2.560 2.460 2.460
3) V-Out2 Set 4.000 4.000 3.920
4) Afterstart 5.0 0.0 0.0
5) Lo Load Pt 32.5 31.2 31.2
6) Mid Load Pt 100.1 94.90 94.9
7) Hi Load Pt 143.0 165.1 143.0
8) F Out Max 0 0.00 0
9) Tm Base 0.0 0.0 0.0
10) Tm Correct 1.23 1.23 1.23
11) IAT Airflow 15 0.00 0?
12) FE Smooth 30 30.00 30
13) Use VE Table # 1 1 .00 1
14) SpkBase 15 15.00 15

AFR Tracking
Min TPS 4.900 2.480 3.820 ?
Min RPM 3200 2816 3200
Min Load 166.4 166.4 166.5
Lean Lim% 10.0 20.0 10.0 Too high! Change. Was 15.0
Rich Lim% 10.0 25.0 25.0
Gain 4.0 16.0 15.0 Lower Was 15.0
AFR 2000Rpm 11.5 11.8 11.8
AFR 3000R 11.5 11.8 11.8
AFR 4000R 11.5 11.8 11.8
AFR 5000R 11.5 11.8 11.8
AFR 6000R 11.5 11.5 11.5
AFR 7000R 11.5 11.3 11.5
AFR 8000R 11.5 0 11.5
Aux% 0.0 0.0 0.0
AF TrDelay 0.0 0

Tune Mid Load
@ 400 0.0% +5.0%
@ 800 0.0% +8.0% Was 5.0
@ 1200 0.0% +15.0% Was 5.5
@ 1600 0.0% +15.0% Was 5.0
@ 2200 0.0% +10.0% Was 0.0
@ 2800 0.0% +0.0%
@ 3400 0.0% +0.0%
@ 4000 0.0% +0.0%
@ 4600 0.0% +0.0%
@ 5200 0.0% +0.0%
@ 5800 0.0% +0.0%
@ 6400 0.0% +0.0%
@ 7000 0.0% +0.0%
@ 7600 0.0% +0.0%

Tune Low Load
@ 400 0.0% +3.0%
@ 800 0.0% +4.5%
@ 1200 0.0% +2.0%
@ 1600 0.0% +11.0% Was 6.0
@ 2200 0.0% +5.0% Was 3.0
@ 2800 0.0% +0.0%
@ 3400 0.0% +0.0%
@ 4000 0.0% +0.0%
@ 4600 0.0% +0.0%
@ 5200 0.0% +0.0%
@ 5800 0.0% +0.0%
@ 6400 0.0% +0.0%
@ 7000 0.0% +0.0%
@ 7600 0.0% +0.0%

Tune Response
TPS Enrich 0.30 0.42 0.42
TPS Decay 0.60 0.8 0.60
TB Size 7 8 7
TPS MAP Max 85.8 100.1 85.8
MAP Enrich 0.10 0.10 0.10
Bst Enrich 0.10 0.10 0.10
MAP TPS Min 0.600 0.80 0.60
MAP RPM Min 2560 2560 2560
MAF Lim TPS 0.000 0.520 0.000
MAF Limit 0.0 2.0 0.0
MAF /Krpm 0.0 3.8 0.0
Lim MinRPM 0 1504 0
Lim Time 0.0 2.0 0.0
Off Idle Enrichment 0.0 0.0

Spark WOT
Usually not adjusted 15.0
23.0
Spark Aux
Usually not adjusted 15
22.0

PT Tracking
Idle TPS 0.00 0.50 0.38 Disabled to set VE map
Idle RPM 640 1312 864
Idle A/F 13.5 14.7 13.5
Cruise TPS 0.00 1.20 1.20
Cruise RPM 2560 2400 2560
Cruise Load 91.0 100.1 91.0
Cruise A/F 14.5 14.7 14.7
Lean Load 84.5 80.6 84.5
Lean Delay 10.0 0.5 10.0
Lean A/F 16.0 14.7 15.5
Gain 15.0 18.0 15.0
Enabl. Dly 95 0 74
ETPS RPM 4800 4800 4800
ETPS Load 166.4 166.4 166.4
ETPS Gain 12.8 0


Thanks. your time is appreciated.

Cheers,
Paul

 

[TurboBuRick]

What chip?

Your settings and version are hard to understand. Are you currently 5.27?
Whats with 3 different settings?

 

[Sleeper]

Bob's Extender Pro

Sorry trying to cut and paste from a spread sheet, but it wouldn't hold it's format.
1st column is 5.27 factory default
2nd column is my old 5.03 settings
3rd column is the new 5.27 settings I was going to try

Just to make it easier to understand, here are my current settings: (I have edited out the boost stuff because I running the BSTC, and some of the other tables because they are zeroed out.)
CFG Settings Ver 5.27 Nov 21/15
Selection Current settings
1) Vehicle Select 0
2) # of Cyl.'s 6
3) Displacement 3.8
4) Airfl Mode 0 0 - Speed Density with temp compensation
5) MAP Source 0 GM 3 Bar
6) Load Srce (Dens Srce) 0 Use Map
7) Baro Mode 0 Sealevel
8) F-Out Mode 8 GN Extreme Pro
9) V-Out1 Mode 1 Spark control
10) V-Out2 Mode 1 Spark control
11) AFR Source 1 Innovate LC1
12) F-In Mode 0 GN Extreme
13) Aux 1 Mode 1 +V to trig AUX
14) FlowErr Mode 0 SD/MAF
System Setup
1) Main Scale 0.00
2) V-Out1 Set 2.460
3) V-Out2 Set 4.000
4) Afterstart 0.0
5) Lo Load Pt 31.2
6) Mid Load Pt 94.90
7) Hi Load Pt 165.1
8) F Out Max 0.00
9) Tm Base 0.0
10) Tm Correct 1.23
11) IAT Airflow 0.0
12) FE Smooth 30.0
13) Use VE Table # 1.0
14) SpkBase 15.0
AFR Tracking
Min TPS 2.480
Min RPM 2816
Min Load 166.4
Lean Lim% 20.0
Rich Lim% 25.0
Gain 16.0
AFR 2000R 11.8
AFR 3000R 11.8
AFR 4000R 11.8
AFR 5000R 11.8
AFR 6000R 11.5
AFR 7000R 11.3
AFR 8000R 11.0
Aux% 0.0
AF TrDelay 0.0
Tune Mid Load
@ 400 +5.0%
@ 800 +8.0%
@ 1200 +15.0%
@ 1600 +15.0%
@ 2200 +10.0%
@ 2800 +0.0%
@ 3400 +0.0%
@ 4000 +0.0%
@ 4600 +0.0%
@ 5200 +0.0%
@ 5800 +0.0%
@ 6400 +0.0%
@ 7000 +0.0%
@ 7600 +0.0%
Tune Low Load
@ 400 +3.0%
@ 800 +4.5%
@ 1200 +2.0%
@ 1600 +11.0%
@ 2200 +5.0%
@ 2800 +0.0%
@ 3400 +0.0%
@ 4000 +0.0%
@ 4600 +0.0%
@ 5200 +0.0%
@ 5800 +0.0%
@ 6400 +0.0%
@ 7000 +0.0%
@ 7600 +0.0%
Tune Response
TPS Enrich 0.46
TPS Decay 0.80
TB Size 8
TPS MAP Max 100.1
MAP Enrich 0.10
Bst Enrich 0.10
MAP TPS Min 0.80
MAP RPM Min 2560
MAF Lim TPS 0.520
MAF Limit 2.0
MAF /Krpm 3.8
Lim MinRPM 1504
Lim Time 2.0
Off Idle Enrichment 10.0
Spark WOT
All set to 23.0
Spark Aux
All set to 22.0
PT Tracking
Idle TPS 0.50
Idle RPM 1312
Idle A/F 14.7
Cruise TPS 1.20
Cruise RPM 2400
Cruise Load 100.1
Cruise A/F 14.7
Lean Load 80.6
Lean Delay 0.5
Lean A/F 14.7
Gain 18.0
Enabl. Dly 0
ETPS RPM 4800
ETPS Load 166.4
ETPS Gain 0.0

Thanks,
Paul

 

[TurboBuRick]

Still not seeing the high load tune...

 

[Sleeper]

I cut out the High because it is zeroed

 

[TurboBuRick]

Thats strange. From the way the file looks the maf and idc hits a flat spot right at the high tune point. Like a bunch of fuel is being pulled. It slightly recovers then hits another flat spot. Did you do a factory reset on the tpro after you reflashed it?

Tip: You can wire the tpro's analog 2 output to the powerlogger input 4 or 5 and you will be able to watch and log Tpro correction on the pl. Set Tpro analog 2 output to "correction factor". Do the same with the input setting on the pl.

 

[Sleeper]

Yeah, I cant figure it. (BTW I'm running in SD mode. )I was wondering it may have something to do with the AF or PT tracking settings? If you look at my TPS it isn't pegged, just mildly putting my foot into it to get into some boost. Wondering if I'm siting on any trigger parameter thresholds? Take a look at my general settings and let me know if you see anything that seems out of line. I may have a setting that is out of whack, and don't see it.
Yes, a couple of times.

Thanks, will try to do that when I get some time.

 

[Sleeper]

ttT

 

[TurboBuRick]

The current values look ok. Not seeing anything that would cause a flat signal or lean spike at wot. It would be more something in the high load tune.

Even though you are speed density the tpro uses the maf circuit to control fueling. By watching the maf signal on the power logger it gives a direct indication of what the tpro is commanding.

Did you do a factory reset?

Hold 2 right buttons and power up the unit. Continue to hold the buttons until display reads "all data reset".

Run through the set up and configuration and hook up the input for correction factor. This way we can see if the afr correction is in some way contributing to the situation.

 

[TurboBuRick]

If using the pt tracking feature, the chip needs to be in open loop. Set parameter 12 to 8.

I would also lower the gain down to 5-6 for pt tracking.

Note: Pt tracking is for idle and cruise. It does not affect wot.

AFR tracking is for wot.

 

[Sleeper]

Ok, had a few minutes today and set up for correction factor. Did factory reset.
I attached three PL files.
14 is a hard punch of the throttle and backfire
15 is gently stepping into it. no backfire but you can feel the rich/ lean pulse
16 is another walk slowly into boost test

Here are the current new settings after the reset.
CFG Settings Ver 5.27 Nov 26/15
Selection
1) Vehicle Select 0
2) # of Cyl.'s 6
3) Displacement 3.8
4) Airfl Mode 0 - Speed Density with temp compensation
5) MAP Source GM 3 Bar
6) Load Srce (Dens Srce) Use Map
7) Baro Mode Sealevel
8) F-Out Mode GN Extreme Pro
9) V-Out1 Mode Corrct Fact
10) V-Out2 Mode Set max settings
11) AFR Source Innovate LC1
12) F-In Mode None
13) Aux 1 Mode +V to trig AUX
14) FlowErr Mode SD/MAF
System Setup
1) Main Scale 0.00
2) V-Out1 Set 2.460
3) V-Out2 Set 4.000
4) Afterstart 5
5) Lo Load Pt 32.5
6) Mid Load Pt 100.1
7) Hi Load Pt 143
8) F Out Max 0.0
9) Tm Base 0.0
10) Tm Correct 1.23
11) IAT Airflow 15
12) FE Smooth 30
13) Use VE Table # 1
14) SpkBase 15
AFR Tracking
Min TPS 4.9
Min RPM 3200
Min Load 166.4
Lean Lim% 10
Rich Lim% 25
Gain 4
AFR 2000R 11.8
AFR 3000R 11.8
AFR 4000R 11.8
AFR 5000R 11.8
AFR 6000R 11.5
AFR 7000R 11.5
AFR 8000R 11.5
Aux% 0.0
AF TrDelay 0.0
Tune Mid Load
@ 400 +0.0%
@ 800 +0.0%
@ 1200 +0.0%
@ 1600 +0.0%
@ 2200 +0.0%
@ 2800 +0.0%
@ 3400 +0.0%
@ 4000 +0.0%
@ 4600 +0.0%
@ 5200 +0.0%
@ 5800 +0.0%
@ 6400 +0.0%
@ 7000 +0.0%
@ 7600 +0.0%
Tune Low Load
@ 400 +0.0%
@ 800 +0.0%
@ 1200 +0.0%
@ 1600 +0.0%
@ 2200 +0.0%
@ 2800 +0.0%
@ 3400 +0.0%
@ 4000 +0.0%
@ 4600 +0.0%
@ 5200 +0.0%
@ 5800 +0.0%
@ 6400 +0.0%
@ 7000 +0.0%
@ 7600 +0.0%
Tune Response
TPS Enrich 0.3
TPS Decay 0.60
TB Size 7
TPS MAP Max 85.8
MAP Enrich 0.10
Bst Enrich 0.10
MAP TPS Min 0.60
MAP RPM Min 2560
MAF Lim TPS 0.000
MAF Limit 0.0
MAF /Krpm 0.0
Lim MinRPM 0
Lim Time 0.0
Off Idle Enrichment 0.0
Spark WOT
All set to 23.0
Spark Aux
All set to 23.0
PT Tracking
Idle TPS 0.48
Idle RPM 992
Idle A/F 13.5
Cruise TPS 1.20
Cruise RPM 2560
Cruise Load 91.0
Cruise A/F 14.7
Lean Load 84.5
Lean Delay 10.0
Lean A/F 15.5
Gain 4.0
Enabl. Dly 74
ETPS RPM 4800
ETPS Load 166.4
ETPS Gain 0.0

 

[TurboBuRick]

V out 1 should be spark control. That wire should be connected to the ecm IAT wire.

V out 2 is the one you want for correction factor.

AFR TPS should be 2.5 or so.

 

[Sleeper]

Crap! I just realized I had reversed the V out settings. In too much of a hurry to get the car out. Weather has turned to rain now, so I will have to wait till another day to do a run with the proper settings.

 

[Sleeper]

Here are a couple of runs with the correct settings, and V out set correctly

 

[TurboBuRick]

What's going on with the boost? How are you controlling it? It doesn't seem to be working. Run the boost line direct to the actuator and adjust the rod so you only have to pull it 1/8" to get it on the arm. That should give lowest achievable boost.

WOT AFR tracking is not kicking in. Lower the minimum tps setting down. I usually set it around 2.50 but you are light footing it so should prolly set it to like 2.0.

Before you keep going get the number off the chip and number off the injectors? Something seems to be a miss with fueling. Let's be sure we have the right chip.

 

[Sleeper]

I am running the BSTC . The boost spike is because I'm breaking the tires loose. I can turn it down to control the spike, but it has gotten really cold out, and traction has become an issue. I do run about 24 lbs normally.

Ok I'll try lower the tps setting. (but see below run 019)

It's the right chip and injectors. (Bob's Extender Pro, and 52 lb Seimens with a Modded ECM) I've run this setup for years . It 's just since I did the Tpro software upgrade, this started acting up. It was fine for a few days, then this boost/ backfire thing started. I've checked all the vacuum hoses, looking for a split or blown off hose, checked the coilpack with the Caspers tester, checked all the grounds. Wondering it it may somehow be fuel related. (regulator, filter,...?) Cant check the FP except with the underhood fuel rail gauge, so I will be buying a transducer to be able to log the FP. Going to pull all the plugs and make sure they are still gapped correctly (running AC CR42's)

Even when I light foot it, there is a point where the lean spike happens. you can see it on 017 starting at frame 4.51, 018 frame 457, and 019 frame 284. (tps is above 2.45 threshold 2.75)

 

[Sleeper]

Hi, I'm bringing this back around because I never resolved the issue.
So, since my last post I have added a fuel pressure sensor, replaced the plugs, checked the coil pack, and had the alternator tested.
Chip is Bob's extender Pro in SD mode, open loop. Have set parameter 12 to 8.
I have also reset all Tpro settings.( 5.27)
Have set up CF for TP into PL
(They are under the attachment "Mine may 25 2016.bin") Cant download .bin???
I have also included a couple of Powerlogger run files where you can see the AFR jump up when I get into it.
I am wondering If I have a setting wrong in the AFR tracking section, or if it is an overlap from the Part throttle/ cruise tracking section that is causing this issue?
For those that don't want to look at the bin for my settings... Cant download? If you want to know any of the other settings ask.
Here are the AFR basic settings.
Min TPS 3.5
Min RPM 3200
Min Load 166.4
Gain 5.2
AFR 11.8 2000 to 5000 Rpm 11.5 after

Here are the PT Tracking settings
Idle TPS 0.500
Idle Rpm 1408
Idle A/F 13.5
Cruise TPS 1.840
Cruise Rpm 2560
Cruise Load 91.0
Cruise A/F 14.7
Lead Load 84.5
Lean Delay 10.0
Lean A/F 15.0
Gain 5.0
Enabl Dly 50

Tune high Load table is all 0%

Thanks.
Cheers,
Paul

 

[TurboBuRick]

So you're still getting a big lean spike?

Those logs are blank.

 

[Sleeper]

Ok I'm bringing this to the top again. Since the last time, I managed to blow out both head gaskets. (low boost this time) Motor has been rebuilt, (new cam/lifters as well) Have gone over everything I can think of. New Remflex exhaust manifold gaskets, checked for any exhaust leaks, Cam sensor installed properly, (with new cap) changed out coils and module, (checked with Caspers tester) checked plug wires, new plugs properly gaped, new WB O2 sensor, new NB O2 sensor, pulled apart, checked and cleaned FP regulator, all block grounds redone, gone over most of the wiring.
Reset the MAFTPro, and gone over all the settings, (Running in closed loop now, (PT and WOT tracking disabled, for tst purposes) vs SD open loop with WB PT and WOT tracking enabled.
The only thing I haven't done is replace the fuel pump, (I did replace the sock) fuel filter and injectors, and chip. So I'm wondering if the modded ECM, with the peak and hold drivers could be starting to die, and is not able to keep my injectors stable at the higher fuel flow rate? Or are they just dirty and not flowing well? Or is this just a electrical gremlin?
I can list all the TPro setting if anyone want to look at them. (for anyone who doesn't feel like going over all the older posts, it's the 5.27 TPro version, Chip is Bob's Extender Pro, injectors are 52 lb Siemens low imp.)
I attached the latest PL file where you can see the strange glitch at around frame 776

 

[TurboBuRick]

Header gaskets and stock headers don't play well. You're better off without them.

Is the new cam sensor cap stock style or is it a caspers led ?

Something you can try. Start the motor then unplug the cam sensor. Go for a ride and see if it still acts up.