Are these scrapes bad in this Turbo?

[84 Sleeper]

That's encouraging. Does that include taking care of the large wastgate hole problem as well? Send it to Bison. No nonsense straight shooter.

How would you get in contact with bison if a turbo needed work?


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[bison]

How would you get in contact with bison if a turbo needed work?


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You would pm or email me. Thank you

 

[robzombie]

Thanks for the offer, I don't even know what to do yet.

Give it back and get your money as that one will end up costing you more than it's worth.

Spend a little more or wait for a GOOD deal to come along if you can.

That turbo says stay away from me all over it.

Rebuild center section, also a new compressor wheel, it's junk if contact was made, plus turbine housing probably would need to be replaced.

Take the compressor cover off and see if it made contact with wheel.

Check the thrust bearing for in and out play.

These are some things you can do yourself to diagnose the problem before sending it out only to pay someone to tell you it's junk.

Brian will help you if you post pics of it and he'll tell you whether it's worth the money to fix it.

 

[Wahoo]

Give it back and get your money as that one will end up costing you more than it's worth.

Spend a little more or wait for a GOOD deal to come along if you can.

That turbo says stay away from me all over it.

Rebuild center section, also a new compressor wheel, it's junk if contact was made, plus turbine housing probably would need to be replaced.

Take the compressor cover off and see if it made contact with wheel.

Check the thrust bearing for in and out play.

These are some things you can do yourself to diagnose the problem before sending it out only to pay someone to tell you it's junk.

Brian will help you if you post pics of it and he'll tell you whether it's worth the money to fix it.

The shaft has no play at all. What can I take apart that won't cause an issue with balance or what not?

So I can't use a larger wastegate puck with the wastegate hole being that enlarged?

 

[Wahoo]

It appears to be a ta61. The marks look like worn bearings or a balance problem. My concern is the chip in the secondary fin, take a real close look as that May effect balance. That has some serious porting on the waste gate hole. I hope you have a large puck. If not I would get a different housing and not worry about the broken bolt.

I didnt notice you said chip in secondary fin, I think its just the picture makes it seem like there is a chip. I don't see any chips in any fins, although a couple of the larger fins look to have a very small nic at the tip.

 

[robzombie]

I don't see any chips in any fins, although a couple of the larger fins look to have a very small nic at the tip.

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That's what he was talking about.

 

[robzombie]

What can I take apart that won't cause an issue with balance or what not?

You can take off the compressor cover and the turbine housing and look for scrapes or contact with the wheels.

Undo the bolts that hold the C brackets and then separate the housings carefully so as not to damage the blades anymore than they may be already.

 

[Chuck Leeper]

He said it was bought brand new, he never had it act up or make a funny noise. :/
Bought brand new?? I' bet it didn't come "brand new" w/ that w/g hole ported that way.

The wastegate hole is a big problem though?

Answered in post #9.

 

[Thumper]

In your pictures on the first post, enlarge the third pic and look at the third fin counter clockwise from the white painted fin. There is a small chip in the wheel and it needs to be replaced from rubbing the housing anyway. I would be prepared for a estimated $600 rebuild.

 

[robzombie]

In your pictures on the first post, enlarge the third pic and look at the third fin counter clockwise from the white painted fin. There is a small chip in the wheel and it needs to be replaced from rubbing the housing anyway. I would be prepared for a estimated $600 rebuild.

More than that if he 1) gets a new turbine housing, as he really should, 2) new compressor wheel [ because of contact], 3) rebuild center section, 4) possible new compressor cover depending on how bad the wheel contact is, because there definitely is some contact there.

I already told him to get his money back as it's not worth the cost to make it right, but he seems to think that between the purchase price of that turbo and the price of repairs would still be less than a new one.

 

[Thumper]

I do not see a need for new compresser housing as he said he could not feel the scratches, but I am not a rebuilder. I guess estimating 600 could be low but maybe it could go as high as 800. Who knows????

 

[robzombie]

I do not see a need for new compresser housing as he said he could not feel the scratches

It's the scratches/damage you don't see where the wheel has made contact within the housing on the part of the blades you can't see until the cover comes off.

If the thrust bearing is on it's way out, which it may or may not be, he has to pull the covers off to inspect the wheels and cover for any damage.

As said in another post any contact is no good.

 

[robzombie]

These are pics of my TE63 that I took apart.

Look at the pics and it looked like there was no contact, until I took it apart and saw the carnage.

 

[Wahoo]

I think I'm going to call the guy tomorrow and ask for a refund. :/ I was excited to use the turbo but its $27 to ship and then $50 to inspect and then $27 to ship back without any repairs, so having to pay $100 to find out if it's even ok is not worth it to me let alone the problems with the wastegate being ported so much.

Should I have asked about the wastegate setup prior to buying, am I at fault for that? Or should that have been disclosed in the ad?

 

[robzombie]

You're not at fault if the turbo was represented as [good condition] and ready to bolt on and use.

Should you have asked more questions?? Yes.

Should you have done more homework before purchasing any turbo let alone this one? Yes. If you had you would have run from that turbo as soon as you saw the waste gate hole that you could drive a TR through.

Asking someone who's selling something if it will work in your application is usually going to get you a half truth.

Will it work, yes but is it going to work right for you and for how long?

I hope you are able to get your money back and the seller is an upstanding person.

He should have disclosed the info on the turbo, but it's usually buyer beware on any used sale unless a guarantee is implied at time of sale.

 

[Wahoo]

This is my first turbo regal and I haven't held a turbo in my hands until I got this in the mail. Even if he sent pictures of the wastegate hole I wouldn't have known it was ported :/

Sucks being a noobie.

 

[626gn]

This is my first turbo regal and I haven't held a turbo in my hands until I got this in the mail. Even if he sent pictures of the wastegate hole I wouldn't have known it was ported :/

Sucks being a noobie.

^^This is very true. If you had no knowledge of turbos to begin with you wouldn't know what questions to ask or know what you were looking at. Similar thing happened to me not too long ago. But in my case I didn't feel the seller was totally at fault so I just took it as an unfortunate part of the learning curve and moved on. The bright side is I now know a lot more about turbos as a result of my mistake, lots of reading on this site, and through dealing with bison who helped me identify what I had. You've already learned a lot in the past few days as a result of this incident . No one was born with any of this knowledge. It just takes time and a desire to learn .

I do agree though that in your case the seller should have disclosed all obvious signs of problems i.e. condition of wheels, housings, humongous wastegate hole, broken bolt, etc. He may claim he didn't know the turbo had some of these problems but he did know that the wastegate hole was too big because he admitted to having to use a copper plate to make it work with an internal gate. There is no excuse for not disclosing that important bit of information.

In a perfect world all sellers (and buyers) would be totally honest but in the real world, its buyer beware. Hope everything works out for you.

 

[Wahoo]

I spoke with the seller and he is very understanding and will do a refund. He seems to be a very stand up guy, and I would do buisness with him again. I will be shipping the turbo back once I get the refund in the mail.

 

[robzombie]

Good for you.

Now do the research in the threads and ask questions to help you make an educated decision on what you need not what you think you want.

If it makes you feel any better I bought a turbo on 10/?/14 from a board member that said it was in good shape and I just purchased another one last week because it also had thrust bearing failure.

If you can afford a new turbo do so and get a warranty and know what you have versus what someone tells you what they think it is so they can get more money.

I think Bison said it once or twice [I think of used turbos as cores] and should be priced as such unless they come with some kinda money back guarantee.