best turbo upgrade on a budget?

[scojack_2001]

Well, Im out of turbo. I ran 28psi on pump gas & alchy through the ported stocker and I dont think it liked it too much.:frown: Need to start considering my options. Ive always wanted a TR with a TE-44 on it. My car is mainly a street car, so a 44 would work well with say a 208 cam.:biggrin:

I have Razors PAC, 009s w/ TT alchy chip, ported stock IC and plenum with PP, and a THDP w/Hooker catback. Also a Hueffman CAI and all supporting upgrades. Running stock D5 convertor for now as well... Engine is original 109 internally stock etc etc.

Im thinking maybe TE-62 and a 3200 stall, all dependent upon price.

What do ya'll think??

Discuss.

 

[bison]

6152 and 3000 stall. But it would be a slug with the stock converter.

 

[Boost231]

6152 and 3000 stall. But it would be a slug with the stock converter.

+1

 

[ARL]

Well, Im out of turbo. I ran 28psi on pump gas & alchy through the ported stocker and I dont think it liked it too much.:frown: Need to start considering my options. Ive always wanted a TR with a TE-44 on it. My car is mainly a street car, so a 44 would work well with say a 208 cam.:biggrin:

I have Razors PAC, 009s w/ TT alchy chip, ported stock IC and plenum with PP, and a THDP w/Hooker catback. Also a Hueffman CAI and all supporting upgrades. Running stock D5 convertor for now as well... Engine is original 109 internally stock etc etc.

Im thinking maybe TE-62 and a 3200 stall, all dependent upon price.

What do ya'll think??

Discuss.

I run a TE-44 watercooled and 2800 stall.. My car runs great.. But I do have several upgrades.

 

[scojack_2001]

I run a TE-44 watercooled and 2800 stall.. My car runs great.. But I do have several upgrades.

Just got back to this thread. Sorry guys, work has been keeping me busy. WTF is with a watercooled turbo? Do they still make ones cooled by engine oil?

How much would a used TE44 in good shape go for? I'll buy new if I have to, but it will take much longer and I wont race the car till I get a better turbo. What do new TE62s go for? I want a PROVEN street combo that works and always will. I dont need GT technology or BB turbos. That stuff is too rich for my blood right now...:redface:

 

[callmeebryan]

Just got back to this thread. Sorry guys, work has been keeping me busy. WTF is with a watercooled turbo? Do they still make ones cooled by engine oil?

How much would a used TE44 in good shape go for? I'll buy new if I have to, but it will take much longer and I wont race the car till I get a better turbo. What do new TE62s go for? I want a PROVEN street combo that works and always will. I dont need GT technology or BB turbos. That stuff is too rich for my blood right now...:redface:

Water cooled turbos are usually ball bearing units. All turbos need oil.

Ill sell you my barely used pretty much brand new (less than 1000 miles) pt-63. I want to go bigger. Turbo works great on the street. Spools real nice with a 3000 stall. Im running lots of boost on 93+ alky with it right now... My M/T's dont like it too much :biggrin:.

Shoot me a PM if you are interested. I have some pictures i can show you aswell.

 

[87GNTTOP]

6131BB from fullthrottle. Use stock converter with no worries. Incredible power, read up on it.

 

[Boost231]

6131BB from fullthrottle. Use stock converter with no worries. Incredible power, read up on it.

the GT6131BB is kind of a waste unless your trying to keep the stock converter even with a stock converter the GT6131E spools great.

 

[scojack_2001]

6131BB from fullthrottle. Use stock converter with no worries. Incredible power, read up on it.

the GT6131BB is kind of a waste unless your trying to keep the stock converter even with a stock converter the GT6131E spools great.

Like I said, I dont need GT technology or ball bearing turbos right now. Im on a tight budget. Im sure its great and all, but not what I need right now.

I want something proven that wont put a black hole in my wallet.

 

[notacarlo]

A standard journal bearing GT6131 can be had for around $700-$750. Hour to put it in for a lifetime of crapping your pants.

 

[scojack_2001]

A standard journal bearing GT6131 can be had for around $700-$750. Hour to put it in for a lifetime of crapping your pants.

Over my budget. Id like to find a TE44 as an interim turbo and I feel that shouldnt make my bank account too upset...

 

[notacarlo]

Keep looking! I have seen a couple of 44's for sale on the boards. You'll find what you need.

 

[ryan george]

I'm getting ready to put up a very slightly used GT3255E. It's been on the car less than a year and has probably less than 250 miles on it, no track time at all. PM me if you're interested...

 

[GNVYUS 1]

I think for us anything smaller than the 6152 turbo is a waste. I have a 6152S on my Talon and the thing pulls like a donkey on roids.

If you are going to buy new, IMO don't go lower than the 6152, used is another story but the TA49 and T44 with the 60-1 wheels are not only pretty small for us but they are old technology. I bet the new 61's spool the same yet make way more power.

BTW, the stock converter blows and I would ditch that before I got a new turbo. When I got my 3000 Precision the TA49 acted like a new turbo, one that would smoke the tires at 40mph!!!

 

[ARL]

Turbo

Just got back to this thread. Sorry guys, work has been keeping me busy. WTF is with a watercooled turbo? Do they still make ones cooled by engine oil?

How much would a used TE44 in good shape go for? I'll buy new if I have to, but it will take much longer and I wont race the car till I get a better turbo. What do new TE62s go for? I want a PROVEN street combo that works and always will. I dont need GT technology or BB turbos. That stuff is too rich for my blood right now...:redface:

I Have the old style watercooled 44. Beotch has instant pool and burns the back tires off in 1st and 2nd.. BB 44 is awesome.. Brian weavy told me that guys downgrading to a smaller bb 44 are coming back with smiles and their faces, but they expensive.

 

[Dreamcar86]

Over my budget. Id like to find a TE44 as an interim turbo and I feel that shouldnt make my bank account too upset...

That's what owning a Buick is all about. Get a big turbo after all that is where all the power is. Just make sure you have injectors to support a larger one.

 

[scojack_2001]

I'm getting ready to put up a very slightly used GT3255E. It's been on the car less than a year and has probably less than 250 miles on it, no track time at all. PM me if you're interested...

GT3255E? Is that similar to a TA49 or something? Forgive my ignorance, but Im not on the up-and-up with all the new terminoligy...:frown:

I think for us anything smaller than the 6152 turbo is a waste. I have a 6152S on my Talon and the thing pulls like a donkey on roids.

If you are going to buy new, IMO don't go lower than the 6152, used is another story but the TA49 and T44 with the 60-1 wheels are not only pretty small for us but they are old technology. I bet the new 61's spool the same yet make way more power.

BTW, the stock converter blows and I would ditch that before I got a new turbo. When I got my 3000 Precision the TA49 acted like a new turbo, one that would smoke the tires at 40mph!!!

My GN will ROAST the 16" Goodyears all the way into 3rd with the ported stocker and the original D5. Im still not sure what Im gonna do, but Ive got to do some maintenence first. A new turbo is high on the list, however.

I do have a line on a new-in-the-bag TE60 thats never been on a car. Ive got to get a price on it though.

I Have the old style watercooled 44. Beotch has instant pool and burns the back tires off in 1st and 2nd.. BB 44 is awesome.. Brian weavy told me that guys downgrading to a smaller bb 44 are coming back with smiles and their faces, but they expensive.

Okay, someone please explain to what the heck is up with the watercooled turbos?? I mean, Ive never even seen one on a TR, and Ive been around a few years. The only 44s Ive ever seen are just lubricated by engine oil and nothing else.

That's what owning a Buick is all about. Get a big turbo after all that is where all the power is. Just make sure you have injectors to support a larger one.

I just put in low mileage 009s out of my WH1. The originals were leaking fuel from the rail o-rings. Big difference along with the THDP. I have Razors PAC so fuel shouldnt be an issue. May go to 60s sometime next year once funds are availible.


I think I need to make something clear.

Im not out to make my GN into a all out quarter mile monster. I want it to handle and brake as good as it goes fast. Im looking for a GREAT street combo that works, and is affordable. As money becomes availible, I will upgrade to better parts. I have to work with what I got for now.

 

[jamier]

similar setup....

i ran and am still using practically the same setup as you. except Im using a te-60, and a hr bar setup in the rear end. my best was 11.49 @ 119 . I thing the car spools pretty good with the stock converter and i drive it daily. I used a ta 49 before making the swap ,and the car pull was night and day.big difference i found between the two turbos, Id suggest trying 1 if you can find a used 1, thats what i did and im happy with it for now till the funds come up for the 10's

 

[corsair231]

Not to hijack but jamier, are you running the stock d-5 and 42.5's with a te-60? If you are check my sig for mods and compare with yours. If it's similar then you may be able to help me out as well. Mine is a true daily driver too but I'm way down on et and mph (13.0 @108) from what you are. I drive it to the track, run it, and drive it home so I don't tune it up for race day or touch the boost. These times were on pump gas (no alky) at 19 psi. I know some of it is the hard compound tires (best 60', 2.10) but I always assumed that most of it was because of the stock converter that I wasn't deep in the 12's at 110+. If you're that deep into the 11's and touching 120 then it might not be my converter.

What boost are you running? How about at stage? I have no problem brake boosting but I can't come off any harder than about 2200 rpm and 2-3 psi or I overpower the brakes and spin. Everybody else that I know running a TE-60 has a 2800 or better converter and you're about the only one I've seen pulling those times with a stock one. Do you lock and when? Did the ATR rear bar help. I've got alky now so upping the boost is do-able and that should help mph. I've got a unkown chip now but hoping to get a tt alky chip soon. My car is great for a daily driver and I was always afraid if I put a higher stall in it it would loose just a little driveability. I don't want that but I do want as much out of it as possible and if I can get it with the stock d-5 I'd be happier than a pig in mud.

On the positive side any lag from a roll acts like traction control on the street.

Thanks

 

[Mr.Spool]

scojack 2001,nice times on the stock turbo!i never had the patience to push the stocker that fast but i didn't make the same mistake with the ta49.the 3255e is said to support 520 horse,the 44 580 horse and 850cfm,the 61 varies depending on which one.the kicker is all those turbo's work so it's just a matter of preference in my opinion.some believe in overkill, some believe in just enough turbo to get there goals accomplished.working on a budget i would recommend a slightly used turbo since it its cheaper,a good converter,and the spare $ buying a wideband to dial it in carefully!