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hemi8

Goin Sideways
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The front cover oiling mods have been hashed-out quite a few times and I believe its pretty clear what needs attention there. But the block, is it recommended to reposition the front cam bearing oil hole and drill a smaller hole (.080") in its place to redirect more oil to the bottom-end? Can this be done with a hyd. roller without any ill effects? Also, are there any oil passages in the block that need to be enlarged to get more oil to mains 2 & 3?
All of this is outlined in the Power Source book I just wanted to hear from people who have actually done these mods on street cars. I believe Cal does the cam bearing mod to his street builds?
Mike
86 GN
 
Sounds like you covered it. One thing I have not heard about is port matching the hole from the front cover to the block - seems like that would help.

Also, I believe the book says that if the 2 center main oil passages from the cam to the mains is opened up, a HV pump is needed.
 
Porting in the block - there's two spots that are easy to reach:

- where the oil comes into the block from the timing cover, next to the oil pressure sender/turbo oil supply hole. Port the turn it has to make.
Unported:
http://pages.prodigy.net/buickv6/CarStuff/oil to block unported1.JPG
http://pages.prodigy.net/buickv6/CarStuff/oil to block unported2.JPG
Ported:
http://pages.prodigy.net/buickv6/CarStuff/oil to block ported1.JPG
http://pages.prodigy.net/buickv6/CarStuff/oil to block ported2.JPG

- on the passenger side of the #1 cam bearing, behind the plug, the oil has to come up and make 2 90 deg turns to go to the gallery that feeds #2-#4 mains, and there's a step change where the passage diameter is reduced. Port the turns and smooth out the step change.
Unported:
http://pages.prodigy.net/buickv6/CarStuff/behind plug unported1.JPG
http://pages.prodigy.net/buickv6/CarStuff/behind plug unported2.JPG
Ported:
http://pages.prodigy.net/buickv6/CarStuff/behind plug ported1.JPG
http://pages.prodigy.net/buickv6/CarStuff/behind plug ported2.jpg

I had my #2 and #3 main feed holes drilled out, but not quite as big as what the Power Source said. I think 3/8" was in the PS, but I went with 5/16" maybe. Bigger than stock, but not quite as big as the max PS recommendation. I seem to remember that the PS has that recommendation in two spots, one place says 3/8", the other place says 3/8" or 5/16". I went with the smaller of the two.

Porting any other passages in the block takes a lot of effort, more effort than I wanted to put forth, so I haven't tried anything else other than what I just listed.

Cam bearing discussion that follows assumes you have a '86/'87 block with the groove under the #1 cam bearing. Older blocks might need something a little different.

- cam bearings - I don't like the smaller hole trick any more. To do it right you have to fill the groove in the block that is underneath the #1 cam bearing, like this:
http://pages.prodigy.net/buickv6/CarStuff/cam brg bore 1.jpg
otherwise the smaller holes don't do a dang thing.

I think the best #1 cam bearing setup is essentially the same as the stock '87 setup: let oil flow around the groove between the block and cam bearing and use a cam that does NOT have a groove on the #1 journal. Because of the groove under the cam bearing you can orient the oil feed hole any which way you like, set the oil feed hole at about 4 o'clock, so the oil is fed to the bearing right at the spot where the high load begins. You can see the typical wear pattern here:
http://pages.prodigy.net/buickv6/CarStuff/cam brg wear 1.jpg
Note the wear pattern due to the groove in the #1 cam journal. You can get a Comp Cams hydraulic roller without the groove. Minimizing #1 cam bearing wear should really help long term oil pressure, since this is the first spot oil gets to as it comes into the engine. Excessive clearance and leakage here really takes oil away from everything else.

Personally I like the TA Perf cam bearings with the grooves on the backside. Not cheap, but worth it. With those you can also orient the oil feed holes on the other 3 bearings in the 4 o'clock position, and so get the maximum oil wedge between the cam journal and bearing where it does the most good.

John
 
Definitely make sure the oil holes in the timing chain cover line up with the block, and be sure and trim the TCC gasket so it doesn't hang over those passages. I haven't had a gasket yet that didn't need some trimming!

I run stock length oil pump gears and I haven't had any pressure issues with my drilled out mains. The PS doesn't talk about HV gears at all. The first time I ever heard the recommendation for HV gears being required if the mains are drilled out was from that article in GM High Tech Perf where they followed a Jack Merkle engine buildup. Personally I don't believe it, partly from my own experience, and partly because it makes more sense to me that bearing clearances have a much bigger effect on oil pressure than the size of those two passages.

John
 
Yes, you are correct about the cite. Your post reminded me of the proper source of the HV pump/block mods comment.
 
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