Calling Nick Micale - TA Aluminum V6???

[Nick Micale]

Originally posted by salvageV6
Is anyone planning on building longblocks in the future?

Built and tested and off the shelf?

This is certainly in the future plans for TA.

May be that Jack Cotton, who is a major dealer for TA, will also be looking to do this?

 

[salvageV6]

Great news! He's local too.

I figure I have two motors and if I blow one up a year I have about two years left, give or take a few years due to math errors.

I'd like to wait for the proven hopefully dyno'd motors.

Thanks for the info. good thread.

 

[LikeMy6]

Nick,
The info looks good. Realistically when are we looking at having the ability to purchase a set(14bolt ported)? just looking for a ballpark figure. also I seem to remember reading that the TA heads will require specific Valve covers and that the production style perimiter bolt covers wont work ,is this true?


TIA


Frank

 

[gnxtc2]

When the Aluminum block comes out, we'll see all the Stage blocks come out of the woodwork. All the people who were hoarding them, will want the aluminum block

Nick

I somewhat disagree on the using a billet crank, flame suit on, I think someone should make a forged crank instead. My reasoning is that not only price but a someone could put the forged one in a stock rebuild. Most people won't want to put the billet one in a stock rebuild. Billet=$2500 or get someone to make a forging for approximately $1000-$1200.

For people going all out, they should go for the billet. I also heard that the billet is about 10% stronger than a forged one.

Billy T.
gnxtc2@aol.com

 

[Nick Micale]

Originally posted by gnxtc2
....I somewhat disagree on the using a billet crank, flame suit on, I think someone should make a forged crank instead. My reasoning is that not only price but a someone could put the forged one in a stock rebuild. Most people won't want to put the billet one in a stock rebuild. Billet=$2500 or get someone to make a forging for approximately $1000-$1200.....
Billy T

I agree, a forged crank at $1000 would be great! We would buy a dozen or so for stock.

If it were not for a price tag of $250,000 to $300K for the forging dies, this may be possible? So far, we have had no luck at locating a die or someone willing to do it at a decent price. Sportsman rods for the V-6 are under developement which will be forged however.

The TA heads will use stock-type valve covers or aftermarket equivalent.

Pricing for the heads will be available in a few weeks, hopefully when they are displayed in Las Vegas at the Buick event No. 8-9.

 

[AsphaltAnihil8r]

Originally posted by Nick Micale


Cadiliacs cost more than Chevies!!!

Only about 5% more,so please keep this in mind

OF the 5000 registard members here ,once the few hundred buy the new heads ,the rest of us cheapskates will just be dreamin about them,thats why I dont have Champion heads,,but for a better product at the same price ,,Id buy them,I bet alot more dreamers would buy also.

 

[bakerlaw67]

Where's the test going to be? I'm local and would love to see it in person even if I could never sell the idea to my wife! After all it is much easier to fantasize when you see her (I mean it) in person.

 

[Jack Evers]

Originally posted by bakerlaw67
Where's the test going to be? I'm local and would love to see it in person even if I could never sell the idea to my wife! After all it is much easier to fantasize when you see her (I mean it) in person.

Posted earlier in the SOUTHWESTERN EVENTS section of this board:

Mike T. has invited the local Buick community to see the new V6 machined Aluminum turbo block and heads that he will be manufacturing. Block no. 1 and heads are ready for assembly. We hope to see you there:

Place: TA Performance Products, Inc.
16167 North 81st Street
Scottsdale, Arizona
(N side Scottsdale Airpark)

Tel: 480-922-6807

Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2002

Time: 6:00PM to 8:00PM

http://a2.cpimg.com/image/FC/5A/134...6-01200108-.jpg

 

[Nick Micale]

Originally posted by Jack Evers
Mike T. has invited the local Buick community to see the new V6 machined Aluminum turbo block and heads that he will be manufacturing. Block no. 1 and heads are ready for assembly. We hope to see you there:

Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2002

As Jack's post said, the aluminum block and heads were available for all to view at TA Performance last night. Jack was good enough to get some pics that are now posted on www.arizonagn.com.

Actually 2 blocks are there, one off-center and one on-center. These are finished machined as ready for delivery. The 6-bolt mains can readily be seen. Not so visible is the rear main seal area that will house a big-block Chev one piece seal!

The head is as-cast with no machining yet. They should be finished machined for the Las Vegas Buick event Nov. 8-9. One set will be machined for 8-bolt configuration and the other 14-bolt. Orders will be taken for these in November to be in accordance with the Dec. 1 regulation of the GSCA to be legal in June 2003 at Bowling Green.

Plan is currently to sell bare heads as well as ready to bolt-on-and-run. More info forthcomming in November including flow numbers. The heads, from which this evolved before TA made numerous strength and flow improvements, were run for over a season as fast as 8.52 and 40-45#'s boost in a 3100# GN!

When going to view these at www.arizonagn.com, click on the "new products" button.

 

[turbo buicks]

wow that block look awesome. they sure did a nice job on it. what kind of HP/TQ/BOOST levels will it stand up to?

 

[Nick Micale]

Originally posted by turbo buicks
wow that block look awesome. they sure did a nice job on it. what kind of HP/TQ/BOOST levels will it stand up to?

The conservative estimates are 1200-1500 HP. Some "experts" that are very experienced in race motors have said even more than that!

 

[turbo buicks]

these blocks/heads can be used in a regular daily driven street car right?

 

[Reaper]

Originally posted by turbo buicks


these blocks/heads can be used in a regular daily driven street car right?

i was there with Nick and the rest of the AZ buick community last night and might i say the block and the heads are some of the best machine work i have ever seen. the detail on the block is a work of art. if the attention to detail is any indication on how the blocks will perform then they will be steller.

to answer your question Turbo buicks, yes the block WILL work with ALL the stock internals. that is what they intended it for, a stock replacement block with the means to handle a conservative 1500hp. as Nick said in an earlier post there are 2 versions an on center block and a off center block. for a street car the off center block is what you will want as it keeps all the stock accesories on the same location as a 109 casting block, where the off center block will shift them over to the passenger side of the car.


i hope i answered your question well enuff for you. i am sure nick will chime in on this. i am just repeating what mike said last night.



Dathan

 

[ronbuick]

Nick, does the block use the stock oil pan, and if so there looks
to be not enuf bolt holes tapped in to the block??, Ron

 

[Jeff Rand]

Hi Nick, just a few more questions on the new block:
Do you know what the deck height is on the 3.8 block? I would assume it is the same as the stock block.
Will the lifter bores be bushed?
Are the cam bores in the stock location?
What is the required deposit and delivery time of the block?
Other then sizing the cylinders for pistons, is there any other machining required?
Thanks,
Jeff

 

[Nick Micale]

It will accept a stock, 20 bolt pan.

 

[TClassic]

It REFRESHING to see a Vendor coming out with something like this to keep our hobby (and racing) going long into the New Milleniem!!

Beats the Hell out of those useless POS Die Cast cars, Chrome Ram Airs Kits...Etc!!!

 

[TurboDave]

Originally posted by Nick Micale
It will accept a stock, 20 bolt pan.

I was kinda wondering about that myself. Counting the side rails and the two holes on the rear main cap, I only saw 12 holes.

Are they spaced such that the 20 bolt pan will fit, just some unused holes?

 

[FJM568]

I'm also a little confused about something...How will a one-piece BBC rear main seal fit a Buick crank??? Isn't the flexplate hub on a 3.8L Buick crank WAAYYYY too big to get a one-piece seal over the flexplate hub to "seal" against the crank??? Or is this a case of where you NEED to use an aftermarket crank and not a stock turbo crank???

 

[lyonsd]

Originally posted by Nick Micale
As far as stroke, TA will have billet cranks that are now on order with 3.625" throw. Bore should be able to go up to 3.900-4.00".

What is the stock bore and stroke?