People gotta realize that the stock headers will flow fine into the low 11s/high 10s- if you want pretty, have the stock ones chromed, or painted, or whatever.....
We've seen this stuff before- raving about parts that are basically a waste of cash. It'll pass......
firstname.lastname@example.org I want more!!
Turn up the boost, add timing, lower your 60 foot...you know, the normal stuff
Louie's knocking on the 9s- I don't the stockers are THAT much of a restriction. I think that at his (or your) level, cheaper headers is the last thing he'd want to put on his car.....
I do think Samballs has an agenda, though (insert spooky conspiracy theory music here...... ) Sam, if you're eventually going to start selling them (you seem to be such a fan, so it's a logical conclusion) the you'd better gear up for the customer service issues of fit, finish, leaks, warped flanges, etc. No bueno there.......
- yet, you want to cheap out on parts (headers) that aren't really a huge benefit to performance, AND take work on your part to fix. I'm a bit confused....."I've always paid top dollar for the products I've gotten. I spared no expense."
"Doesn't mean we have to pay a premium for the parts now that we pay a premium for the Car!
It's great to know I can save some money on parts when I'm paying top dollar just to own one! So I guess to some it's cool that if the price of a Grand National goes up because of demand . . . . . . then so should the parts"
You are correct. I do have an agenda, to try and save people as much money as I can! ................It's great to know I can save some money on parts when I'm paying top dollar just to own one! So I guess to some it's cool that if the price of a Grand National goes up because of demand . . . . . . then so should the parts
Don't know how much he's making at $250 a unit- but, know the costs of stainless, there has to be shortcuts taken somewhere to justify the price point. Keeping costs and prices down is pretty elemental- it boils down to basic tenents: supply, demand, and manufacturing.
Assuming a quality product:
Supply hi- demand low= lower $$
Supply low- demand low= lower $$
Supply low- demand hi= higher $$
supply hi- demand hi= higher $$
Most guys who hobby in motorsports understand that it's not exactly the cheapest pasttime to get into; they are also some of the more demanding and anal customers you'll run into. They expect- heck, they demand a product to work as advertised the first time, in all aspects- fit, finish, quality, and performance.The vendors that support our Buick disease aren't giving away their products because they take the time to develop them to work- and they're not working on huge margins, either.
These same vendors also aren't waiting to be beat up on a product from a tightwad that wants everythign for nothing (same tightwad is always the loudest to bitch, whine, and complain about how badly they were treated after they tried to rape the vendor on price).....
I can do basic welding and fabricating- for most, that's not an option, and when they buy a part, the last thing they want to do it to take "X" number of hours to get said cheap part to fit. After unbolting and reinstalling a part for the nth time because of fitment issues, you begin to wonder if you really saved all that much....
I'll agree, there are junk US made products, as there are quality China made products.
You say, - yet, you want to cheap out on parts (headers) that aren't really a huge benefit to performance, AND take work on your part to fix. I'm a bit confused.....
Next, you say,
Here's the thing- this market is SMALL! Prices are what they are because of supply vs demand! We are playing with cars that, in a short time, will be the equivalent of the 1969 Z-28 Camaro, the SD-455 Trams-AM, the 1970 R/T Challengers, etc. As in these cars, the parts market will continue to tighten, and parts from reputable vendors will get the lion's share of the market. "Reputable" does not mean that a part needs 10 hours of rabrication/modification for it to work.
Perhaps you're not ready to accept these facts...have fun with your headers!
Sam, or whoever you are, you may think you are a cool guy, but myself, and others, see you as a crook. You stole a design and are motivated by making a profit.
All your BS about your agenda to help others save money is your smoke screen. You did it because of greed - pure and simple.
Sure I am pissed because of this, but the Buick community should be even more pissed. Why? Because vendors like me will not spend our time, money and resources to develop products so a rip-off artist can copy and sell for much less, both price and quality.
Sure, I use China parts because they were developed by vendors out of need, and not a copied design. Even some China stuff is such poor quality, I prefer to pay the extra in many cases to avoid any problems, and have a known reliable product.
So go pedal your headers, but don't come here and give us your "rightious" BS about helping the community.
Actually I'm ready I accept the facts quite well..... i am just amazed in the there is a $798 let me say it again in writing SEVEN HUNDRED NINTY EIGHT DOLLAR difference! We are not talking about 20, 30, or even a $100 dollars..... in price! That a huge difference and I'd rather save that money on something else like A NEW TURBO! rather than a set of HEADERS!
Let me ask you a personal question! What could you do if you had an extra $798 dollars in your pocket to buy something for you GN?
Think about it and then give me a response..... We know it's a good product, looks nice, good fit, good customer service, low price, and it's decent stainless steel! Look at the poston replacement header they don't last more than about a year and they cost more! If these last 1 year 1 month your still ahead and you've got both driver and passenger side!
oh... and in regards to law of supply and demand.... That's not always the case.... look at computer parts.... Everybody needs them and they are not so expensive that we can't afford them... So.. I don't agree with you... I can say there are a lot of greedy vendors on the board and they want to get rich of the products they sell!!!!