Did Isreal shake a bee hive??

[gn85]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114784,00.html

http://us.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/03/22/yassin/index.html


I know this is going to bring on fierce 'conversation' in here, so I'm ready for it, but I just felt like expressing my opinion of what has happened in the latest page of the Palestine/Isreal conflict.

First off, let me say that I'm really not a fan of either. I agree and disagree with many points on both sides. But last night (this morning in Isreal) an Isreali helicopter fired missiles on and killed the senior leader of Hamas. This man (as CNN explains) was the spiritual leader and founder of Hamas. Now, I don't agree with Hamas' tactics. They are terrorists without a doubt. But I also think that Isreal made a mistake here and may have really opened up Pandora's box.

Do I have sympathy for this man who died? No. You live by the sword, you die by it. My basic respects only for the dead. But now that Isreal has gone this far, I really can't help but wonder if they bit off more then they can chew this time.

I tend to think about interviews that were done with the Japanese pilots after Pearl Harbor. Upon flying back, they said they knew that they had started something really bad. Germany underestimated what America would do when they torpedoed boats in transit to and from England. I think Isreal has just done the same with Palestine.

Does this mean I condone the suicide bombings and future terrorism from the Palestinians? No. Do I hope for peaceful negotiations and resolve in this conflict. Always. Do I think Isreal has helped that? Not in a million years.

So, bring on the conversation. I figured, I'd open my own Pandora's box with this one.

 

[Quick6]

You gotta get the bees outta hive to kill em!

 

[Vector]

Israel had only taken action after being attacked; that is to say they have retaliated, only.
The pro-active stance they take is to capture and jail criminals.
I don't believe there will ever be peace in that region until Israel no longer exists as an independent nation.
I hope that NEVER happens.
Let me clarify that: I hope Israel will always exist as an independent nation and I hope peace will exist everywhere in the world - but I don't see the Palestinian's stopping until the government of Israel is defeated.
There is so much division between muslims that they kill each other - Sunni vs. Shiite vs. Kurdish ...
If they hate each other so much as to murder each other, is it reasonable to expect that they will leave anyone else alone?

 

[AirBuick]

There's hardly a comparison between "waking up" the United States with an attack and "waking up" Palestine with an attack. For all of its smallness, Israel is an extremely efficient military force and would probably never backdown from an assault by any of their neighbors. They continue to retaliate after being attacked and nowadays, if you're associated with terrorism, you are going to become a target. A good overall strategy is to continue to take out anyone in a leadership position that is connected to or supports terrorism. Without some form of leadership, a group's (terrorists) efforts soon become diluted an less effective. I say good riddance to the ba$tard.

 

[Justin231]

I agree with Airbrick. Good riddance.

 

[blackbird]

bit off more than they can chew?? isreal has been plagued with suicide bombings...directed by that Ahole they toasted. what are the palestinians going to do?? get more bombs?? i really dont think that itll get worse for them, imagine not knowing when a bomb is going to wipe out the bus youre riding on...isnt that horrific?? how can it get worse?? i was in isreal in 2000 and the people are great, i couldnt imagine how many of them would be dead by now due to suicide bombs. at leats the isrealis are targeting actual military targets, some innocents get killed sometimes but that is unintentional and saddening. the suicide bombers target innocents 90% of the time. if isreal has to take it to the next level...then so be it.

 

[trading t/a]

Although I am not a big fan of either I will say I'm getting a little tired of Israel. They are ike the little brother always getting in trouble. Not starting it, but definately not helping the situation. If you are gonna do something do it to the extreme. Do not kill a few leaders. Kill all the men associated with the nationality you have a problem with. Without men the civilization will pass. Yes it's cruel, but it is survival.

Now the US will be dragged into this. All because we are trade partners and sell Israel all the military equipment they use. I've felt all along Israel wanted this. Get the US involved on a personal level then we would have no choice but to turn Isael loose to exterminate them and preserve their country. Just do it already. This world is coming to another fork in the road very soon, So I hope everyone has their war faces on. Cause this indeed will be another war of great importance to finally settle the big dogs of the block.

I just hope that we actually have a cooperating nation when this time comes. I'm tired of listening to the bleeding heart liberals about live and let live. Homomsapiens are biologically egineered to exterminate each other. Just because we walk upright and have opposable thumbs doesn't mean we are any different from any other animal when it comes to survival. I think this time when we go to war and they have these stupid anti-war hippies marching around and benefitting from the sacrifice that others are willing to give we should box them up and use them as land mine detectors. That way at least they would be of some good use to the trest of us.

 

[gn85]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114906,00.html

Arafat fears he's next.

 

[Shane]

I haven't really thought about "shaking a bee hive" much, but I have thought about how they killed him.

Personally, I would love to see a video of them killing him.

Think about it... They shot a guy.... in a wheelchair.... with a missle... from a helicopter.

I think that the dictionary should be amendend with a new definition of overkill.

 

[GRAYGHOST]

Have you guys ever looked at a world map, or globe, and noticed how small Israel is compared to all the other countries on their border? Ever given any thought at the number of terrorists nations surrounding them, not to mention dwelling within them?
Israel cannot, in my opinion afford to take any amount of sh!t from anybody....and personally, I wish the United States was more like Israel in taking the fight to these M F'ers!

Add up all the terrorist acts againts our country before 9/11, and what we did about it, then tell me you can't understand why they attacked us.... These people are going to keep coming whether we lay down to them or stand up, so why not take them out before they take us? I say kill all the S.O.B.'s!

 

[Captain Mark]

Israel plays in a very rough sandbox. Lots of unfrienly neighbors that have dedicated themselves to killing every Jew in the area. They have tried several times to do this, but to no avail. The Jews had to become tough, or become extinct.

The Muslims also want US dead. The Jews have figured out the best way to handle their enemies....it's called a show of power. Has it stopped all the violence.....unfortuately not. But, they MUST fight back. Negotiation does not work with these folks. The arabs in that area have one goal....death to the infidels. Guess what, we are also infidels.

On 9/11 we got a lesson in Middle Eastern diplomacy didn't we.

 

[Vector]

I agree with the idea of taking the fight to them. In reference to the United States and in reference to Israel.
But genocide isn't the answer.
Israel and Jewish people (I am Jewish) are sensitive when it comes to the idea of genocide.
Jews that have grown up in Israel will refer to radical Palestinian's as animals. They truly do not see terrorists as human in any way. Jews that have grown up in Israel see the terrorists as a disease that must be cut out like a cancerous growth.
With that in mind, there are many Palestinian people that simply want to go to work, read what they so wish to read, and peacefully worship how they choose.
(I am actually quite conservative; although this post doesn't leave that impression.)

 

[Captain Mark]

Originally posted by Vector
I agree with the idea of taking the fight to them. In reference to the United States and in reference to Israel.
But genocide isn't the answer.
Israel and Jewish people (I am Jewish) are sensitive when it comes to the idea of genocide.
Jews that have grown up in Israel will refer to radical Palestinian's as animals. They truly do not see terrorists as human in any way. Jews that have grown up in Israel see the terrorists as a disease that must be cut out like a cancerous growth.
With that in mind, there are many Palestinian people that simply want to go to work, read what they so wish to read, and peacefully worship how they choose.
(I am actually quite conservative; although this post doesn't leave that impression.)

there is obviously no easy remedy, unfortunately. Quite a long history of fighting between the Jews and Palestinians. (Anyone ever heard of the Philistines......same folks) Can't really see an end to it any time soon. I'm backing the Jews. They are our only friends over on that side of the planet.

 

[SyHopeful]

I think a separate, official Palestinian nation would go a long way in helping.

Of course, this is also a problem that has been going on for centuries; it all has a religious background.

Bethlehem should be made into a UN city or something, where EVERYBODY has access to it.

And I assume that Israel's reactionary efforts include bulldozing houses and kicking Palestinians out of their homes?

 

[GRAYGHOST]

Originally posted by Captain Mark
there is obviously no easy remedy, unfortunately. Quite a long history of fighting between the Jews and Palestinians. (Anyone ever heard of the Philistines......same folks) Can't really see an end to it any time soon. I'm backing the Jews. They are our only friends over on that side of the planet.

There is no remedy, and it will never end until the "Son" comes back....

I remember when I was taking a tour of Israel back in 1993, we where in "old Jerusalem" and the tour guide said I will show you why there will always be fighting here, and from one vantage point he pointed to 4 different mosques that were all within a half mile of one another and all the originating points of major religions. All of which think it is there land. Said thing is, there is no value of the land other than religious beliefs. It's all dirt and dust and mud huts for the most...I could see if they were all figthing over oil fields or gold mines...they are a bunch of religious fighters, which are the worst....they will never stop, and they will raise their own to kill the infidels....I could not imagen raising my kids to want to be a suicide bomber and kill innocent people. These people need to be terminated so the rest can live in peace.....but that will never happen, until J.C. comes back and takes "his" children home, then the rest will have there place too!

 

[turbo buicks]

did israel shake a bee hive? i dont think so. how could an entire nation shake one bee hive. i know they did kill that one guy tho.

 

[SyHopeful]

Originally posted by turbo buicks
did israel shake a bee hive? i dont think so. how could an entire nation shake one bee hive.

Durr hurr hurr.

 

[Red Regal T]

They gotta' do exactly what we gotta' do............keep killin' 'em till they hollar UNCLE.

 

[UWE LEHMANN]

http://www.midnight-emissary.com/Saddam.htm

 

[AirBuick]

How fitting is today's letter to the editor in the Wall Street Journal:

March 23, 2004; Page A23

Dennis Ross, in his March 15 editorial-page piece "Washington and the Way Station to Peace," makes the mistake of equating an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza with a cessation of violence by the major terrorist organizations, including Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Fatah.

What Mr. Ross fails to understand is that an Israeli pullback from Gaza and the West Bank will not be regarded as an act of goodwill by the terrorist groups. Instead, it will show that terrorist tactics can achieve results, and will be viewed as a sign of Israeli weakness. Even Mr. Sharon's National Security Council cited many negative consequences that would result from his plan, including "an increase in terror; a disintegration of the Palestinian regime; a Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip; a humanitarian crisis in the Palestinian territories that Israel will be sucked into; an adjustment of terror organizations to the new circumstances with renewal of operations at a raised tempo; and damage to Israeli intelligence capabilities in the aftermath of the withdrawal.

It is often difficult for Americans to fathom the plight of Israel. Whereas the U.S. has the ability to fight its enemies across an entire ocean, the Israeli battle is confined to Israel's own backyard. The goal of the Palestinian terrorist groups is nothing short of the destruction and eradication of Israeli Jewry. The only way to combat this extremism is by force or arms: Israel should beef up security around Gaza and the West Bank, complete the security barrier, and resume targeted killings of terrorist leaders.

Avi Sofer
Boston


It's a matter of their life and death that the Israelis continue to kick ass. Even though they are not perfect, I would still back their efforts to combat terrorism all the way and I'm not even Jewish!