Dui/Lic. Check Point.

[Flaco]

So I was reading the local Escondido news paper and saw some interesting Stats. about a check point they had on the 5th of Dec. They ran the check point from 6PM to 12 Am. The end result was 44 cites and 48 cars impounded. 4 people were arrested for DUI. Esco. PD caught some flak about targeting mexicans by the ACLU and a group called "La Raza" in the past. So now Esco PD. announces where and when the check point will take place.

The good thing is 48 cars that don't need to be on the road were taken off. Esco. is a big hispanic community so i'm guessing my fellow peeps made up most of the cars being impounded. So for you guys out across america does your local PD do check points?

 

[101prf]

All summer long. They call it a sobriety check point

 

[Little6pack]

They do them here in New Hampshire..

They announce the hours, city, & date, but not the location.

Most drunks or low lives don't read the newspaper.

 

[TURBOTWIN2]

They are unconstitutional but that never stopped the Gestapo.

(Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.)

The 4th, along with much of the rest, has been kicked into the ditch. Go after the real criminals: Washington, D.C., Wall Street and City Hall.

 

[GNBRETT]

They are unconstitutional but that never stopped the Gestapo.

(Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.)

The 4th, along with much of the rest, has been kicked into the ditch. Go after the real criminals: Washington, D.C., Wall Street and City Hall.

Another street lawyer.... Get your facts straight before you post such non-sense. A motor vehicle is one of the 7 exceptions to the 4th amendment requirement Einstein. This one particularly being due to the fact it's mobile.

On site violations do not violate the 4th amendment and check points are often used for seat belt enforcement or front plate requirement enforcement if your state requires it.

If a check point is being utilized for DUI then a specific pattern of cars must be adhered to in order for it to be legal. For example every other car, or every 3rd car, or every car if they choose. Usually not feasable on a busy highway but as long as a particular pattern (Random) is followed then stopping a car to make a visual (Red blood shot eyes), audio (Slurred speech), smell, (Smelling an alcoholic mixed beverage) does not infringe on anyones civil rights.

There are to be announced. That will vary as to exactly how, when and where that will be. Some states require there to be a turn-off before the actual check point.

Driving your vehicle is not a right. It is simply a privilage that comes with certain rules that you must play by. When you take the written and driving exam to operate a vehicle in any state you are agreeing to implied consent pertaining to operating a vehicle while under the influence or drugs or alcohol. Meaning, you MUST submit to a breath or urine test (And sometimes blood in some states) after being placed under arrest for DUI or there will be certain and immediate consequences if you do not. Those being CRIMINAL not CIVIL.

Those rules are not listed in the constitution..... Those are rules that YOU agreed to when YOU applied.....yes APPLIED for a drivers license. You were not appointed nor did you inherite that driver license. It is a PRIVILAGE that you are given with certain requirements and if they are not met you are subject to arrest and punishment period.

You can committ crimes with vehicles and of course they MOVE which is why they are an exception. They are not houses. So if the Police decide to announce a check point on a particular day to ensure that YOU are following the rules that YOU signed up for then that is exactly what they are going to do. Stopping a car is not searching a car. Learn the difference and maybe you won't sound so ignorant next time....

 

[Pronto]

It always amazes me that so many people think driving is a "right". It's not.

 

[TURBOTWIN2]

Yeah, I knew when I posted that you people would come out of the wood work likes **** roaches, allowing the Constitution to be further trampled upon.
These road blocks are simply a revenue generating device under the guise of "safety". For the children, protecting the public, saving the environment or whatever sounds good at the time.
We've got to stop people with out 2 license plates or wearing their seat belts.
Random DWI check points that only check like every 3rd car, thereby making it "legal". That means some made it through, who the "Einstein now? You just waved a drunk driver through or maybe, God forbid, someone with a torn wiper blade! How about I come to your house and see what we can find?
I also wonder why many law enforcement unions have in their contracts that no drug testing is to be routinely done. What are they hiding? If we where to suddenly come in test you people, what percentage do you think would be positive for steroids, alcohol, cocaine or grass? I guarantee it wouldn't be zero.
Oh, and by the way, when I got my license, I didn't sign up for this crap.

 

[TURBOPOWERED68]

TURBOTWIN2 I have come to the conclusion that anything that is written into law no matter how wrong or unfair it will be excepted and up held by our fellow Americans against you/me and our fellow Americans.
"A privilege" the wording allows "them" to use it as a controlling devise. Don't mess with us, WE can and will TAKE your privilege away.


Can a crime be committed in a car/with a car? Yes
Can a Crime be committed in a house/from a house? Yes
Owning a car is not a right? I work I save some money I buy a car. it is now my car.
Is Owning a house a right? I work I save some money I buy a house. it is now my house.


It’s just sad that so many people have become _______???? What’s that condition called when the cap tee becomes dependant and accepts and defends his/her captors???

 

[TURBOTWIN2]

TURBOTWIN2 I have come to the conclusion that anything that is written into law no matter how wrong or unfair it will be accepted and up held by our fellow Americans against you/me and our fellow Americans.
"A privilege" the wording allows "them" to use it as a controlling device. Don't mess with us, WE can and will TAKE your privilege away.


Can a crime be committed in a car/with a car? Yes
Can a Crime be committed in a house/from a house? Yes
Owning a car is not a right? I work I save some money I buy a car. it is now my car.
Is owning a house a right? I work I save some money I buy a house. it is now my house.


It’s just sad that so many people have become _______???? What’s that condition called when the cap tee becomes dependant and accepts and defends his/her captors???

Stockholm Syndrome, you sympathize with your captors.
I was going to bring up the house deal but didn't want to confuse the mouth breathers.
My point is the slippery slope of slowly losing our rights to privacy and freedom from unreasonable searches without any suspicion except that I happened to be travelling on a certain stretch of highway. And no, I didn't get caught in one. This could easily be extended to house to house "random" searches for the cause of the day. After all, with the stroke of a pen, they just made it "legal".
Expect more of this as cities and localities find a loss of revenue due to the current econmic conditions. The law enforcement crowd will gleefully "follow orders" under the guise of "public safety" but the real reason is revenue, plain and simple. They know it and we know it. Willing and complicit participants in more theft from the American people under the code words "public safety". Josef Goebbels would be proud of the modern day jackboots.
"Leave me alone!".......Ted Nugent.
Oh, and by the way, it's not really your house. Don't pay the property taxes and they can & will take your house, especially if it's paid for.

 

[Flaco]

So... Turbotwin2 if this was your town you wouldn't mind having 48 drivers with no valid Lic. driving around you? Think about it 48 cars in a 6 hour period. Thats a good 8 cars an hour. I'm glad my local PD is doing this type of enforcement. The whole 4th amendment thing is for somone that has somthing to hide. I drive a blacked out GN with limo tint. If local Pd wanted to search It I would let them. All they would find is a very clean all original interior and maybe my girls panties...:biggrin:

 

[SS_Sean]

They are unconstitutional but that never stopped the Gestapo.

(Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.)

The 4th, along with much of the rest, has been kicked into the ditch. Go after the real criminals: Washington, D.C., Wall Street and City Hall.

Look at the nut-job, honey. Isn't he funny! Don't point at him, he might come over here.

 

[John Larkin]

Stopping a car is not searching a car

I'd like to see a show of hands of those who have been stopped (only your car and no others along with yours) by a police officer, then allowed to proceed with absolutely no other interaction. I am going to bet on none because police will look in and around your car while you are stopped and they will speak to you. They will look in the windows. They will look at you. They are looking for anything they can find. They will run your license and registration. That is a search. And it is about revenue generation as was mentioned. There is no argument that will convince me otherwise so save your bandwidth unless you just want to disagree and that is ok by me.

 

[TURBOTWIN2]

So... Turbotwin2 if this was your town you wouldn't mind having 48 drivers with no valid Lic. driving around you? Think about it 48 cars in a 6 hour period. Thats a good 8 cars an hour. I'm glad my local PD is doing this type of enforcement. The whole 4th amendment thing is for somone that has somthing to hide. I drive a blacked out GN with limo tint. If local Pd wanted to search It I would let them. All they would find is a very clean all original interior and maybe my girls panties...:biggrin:

Flaco, I live in San Antonio Texas. You cannot imagine how many people here drive around without insurance or drivers licenses. There is no real concerted effort to keep them off the streets.
I got a ticket for too dark tint on a commercial vehicle I was driving. Cop said he couldn't see if I had a kidnapped woman in there or not. When I asked him if he wanted to see my insurance, he said "No. I know you guys have to have insurance."
Excuse me , but WTF? He was just (partially) doing his job. Income revenue for the city, not really fighting crime.

 

[TURBOTWIN2]

Look at the nut-job, honey. Isn't he funny! Don't point at him, he might come over here.

Yeah Sean, I'm a nut job. If Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Adams and Patrick Henry were around today, you could get your mug on TV leading them on the "perp walk" to jail. Be sure and have your jackboots all shined up so you'll look good.

 

[datant69]

some of us have been through this

back in 93 i made a stupid decision and was DWI, paid my dues and stuff. but there were plenty of times i had cops pull me over and practically pull my car apart because they thought i was a drug dealer. this would happen atleast 1 X a month. i didn't care because i didn't have anything to hide, wasn't into drugs only drank back then but did that sometimes. i had several tell me straight to my face to save them some time and just tell them where it was. i held my ground and several times had the drug dog out and they didn't find anything. i loved wasting their time, and they hated me for it, had a valid DL, insurance, and a new car with rims and a system. they just liked to profile and i fit it. of course now i'm older and wiser and don't get messed with so much but i'm glad they do check points. i'm not a big drinker, may have 3-4 in a night. and always quit way before it's last call. regardless there are way too many uninsured drivers and unlicensed drivers. and if they seriously hurt you or worse what can you get from them if you take them to court? not a damn dime, they probably wouldn't show up, hell i'm hispanic and i can't stand some of my peeps sometimes. the worst is the insurance companies that advertise that they'll insure you even if you don't have a DL. i find that twisted in so many ways.

 

[TURBOTWIN2]

I apologize if I have offended any real cops. This was not meant to turn into cop bashing. Check points just have a "papers please, Nazi type" undertone to them. It's picking the low hanging fruit to get the nembers up. "Look. we're fighting crime!"

Not entirely legal, as has been claimed. Look at the 3rd paragraph:
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Texas Senate Advances DWI Checkpoint Legislation
Bill would authorize sobriety checkpoints to check for drunk driving in Texas.

Last week the state Senate voted 21-10 to approve a bill that would allow police to establish checkpoints to check for motorists who are driving while intoxicated in Texas.

The bill's sponsor claims that sobriety checkpoints will save 300 lives each year. Opponents say that roving, saturation patrols looking for Texas DWI offenders are more effective and a better use of funds and manpower. The checkpoint locations would be publicized, and the traffic stop would be videotaped and audio recorded. The bill prohibits law enforcement officers to ask for a driver's license or proof of insurance. A random system for stopping vehicles must be in place to avoid the perception of profiling.

A Texas Court of Criminal Appeals ruled against sobriety checkpoints in 1994, though it said that state lawmakers could pass legislation making them legal.

Under the proposed legislation, only counties with a population of 250,000 or more and cities with at least 500,000 residents could engage in the practice. Cities that meet the criteria are Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio and El Paso. The county sheriff or the city mayor would have to approve the set-up of TX DWI checkpoints.
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Not sure if the bill ever got signed into law. Didn't feel like looking it up. Never been through a check point. Not worried about getting a DWI if I was stopped at one. I would worry about getting busted if I mouthed off about the 4th amendment, though. I'm sure the cops could "find" some reason to take me away (after "resisting arrest") if I wanted to assert my rights. That's what wrong with this scenario, suspending part of the Constitution in the name of public safety.
Follow the money.

 

[Fachie Motion]

It’s just sad that so many people have become _______???? What’s that condition called when the cap tee becomes dependant and accepts and defends his/her captors???

You said cap tee

 

[datant69]

cops and drugs

Yeah, I knew when I posted that you people would come out of the wood work likes **** roaches, allowing the Constitution to be further trampled upon.
These road blocks are simply a revenue generating device under the guise of "safety". For the children, protecting the public, saving the environment or whatever sounds good at the time.
We've got to stop people with out 2 license plates or wearing their seat belts.
Random DWI check points that only check like every 3rd car, thereby making it "legal". That means some made it through, who the "Einstein now? You just waved a drunk driver through or maybe, God forbid, someone with a torn wiper blade! How about I come to your house and see what we can find?
I also wonder why many law enforcement unions have in their contracts that no drug testing is to be routinely done. What are they hiding? If we where to suddenly come in test you people, what percentage do you think would be positive for steroids, alcohol, cocaine or grass? I guarantee it wouldn't be zero.
Oh, and by the way, when I got my license, I didn't sign up for this crap.

i can say one thing about cops, there is a fine line they have to ride. catching the bad guys and all the dope and other crap they have to deal with. anytime i get pulled over i show them respect regardless if i'm getting arrested or ticketed or let go with a warning. they have one of the highest percentages of divorce, drinking problems, and drugs. they have a crappy job going to murder scenes, dealing with people who can care less about life and only making money the illegal way. they get my respect and at one time i wanted to be one BAD, but hurt my back before i could start the process of gettin into it. only thing i'm saying is these guys have a tough job already why mess with them with an attitude or worse? you'll only lose, and have charges added, and that doesn't include the bruises you wind up with. it's just not worth it in my opinion. just show them some respect and most of the time they'll give you a warning unless you do have something to hide or ?

 

[buickbert]

my feeling is if you arent doing anything wrong then dont worry about the checkpoint. if its posted where/when its going to be and your THAT conserned about itDONT GO NEAR THE AREA!



On a side note regarding "stereo typing" I also made a stupid decision over 5 years ago and got a dui. paid off all of my fines/ court costs, served my suspension, yet the last time i was pulled over (dark tint while driving on the freeway, as 6 cars went speeding past me.) i was a victim of an "illegal" search as the officer didnt say one word to me, NOT ONE WORD as to why i was pulled over/ good day/ license and insurance? NOTHING and immediatly stretched half way into the gn and started looking in the ashtray/ center console and pushed the passenger side seat forward to look in the backseat. if he would of asked if i would consent to a search, i would have agreed. when i politly asked if there was something inperticular he was looking for his response was "a green leafy substance known as marijuana" i laffed and told him he wasnt going to find anything illegal in my car. his response was "this is a typical vechile for that type of activity" we went on with the stop, he had me get out of the car and go back to his car. while running my license he tells me "youve had a dui in the past, wheres the open container?" again i laffed and looked at my watch. "its 10am i and im on my way to my parents house, but there is a orange juice container from breakfast if youd like to check that"

the rest of the stop went like normal, got a repair order for the tint (which i took care of the next day) he ends the stop with " i advise you to drive the rest of your drive with your windows down" which is about 245 more miles, "thanks for the advice" is my response. got back into my car, rolled the windows back up and down the road i went.

usually i have a calm non- smartassed attitude when i get pulled over but this dude was a jerk! so i gave him attitude right back as i knew other then the tint (which was applied by a tint/ stereo place in town and was supposed to be the darkest legal tint) i wasnt doing anything wrong.

oh well, just my rant for the day, im sure someone will chime in and say how i did something wrong.

buickbert

 

[datant69]

i heard drug dealers love our cars

i've heard it from alot of people i know, even a few cops that i ran into here and there. even saw it on history channel's gangland when they were talking about some gang in fresno cali that uses the bulldog as their call. i don't know what the big deal is, i know alot of people love our cars, i get compliments all the time when i take it out. i just don't know why the cops think everyone in one is running drugs. trust me if i wanted to give him a run for his money i'm sure i could unless he was in a charger. but still i just think alot of it is profliling and if you fit the type then your getting pulled over point blank. just hope your the law abiding citizen type.