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I guess I'm just full of Good Luck! I spoke to the guy that sells them, and he said he would make the header right for me, So! I guess then It's a great Deal!

Anybody Looking to Save $800 +++ on headers that are of good quality, please PM me and I send info on how to get them!

thanks,


Sam
 
Hope someone takes the time to read this as this is near and dear to my heart.

We, as consumers, buy on 2 basic principles; Price and/or Emotion
In my experience (This is not speculation), China suppliers and manufacturers HAVE the ability to make quality parts. Read on for the facts.

The Price Principle
Most organizations that source from LCC’s (Low Cost Countries), source on price. You go to China and say; "I want this part for my cost - XX% = $XXX." Profit margins, Stock prices, Cash Flow are some of the main determining factors of this behavior and decision. A typical cost reduction sourcing to China is in the 60-70%. Another topic is “Total cost” as opposed to “Purchase Price”.

So, the LCC supplier WILL make the part for the target price of $XXX dollars, but typically demands large lot sizes orders and long lead-time, which is a function of large lot sizing. They think in “Batch Order Manufacturing”. Inventory levels rise (Think IRS/Taxes) and if the demand is not present, it gets cumbersome.

In China, some manufacturers are subsidized and there are a LOT of unethical dealings. Material and dimensional specifications are not always adhered to. This is where the “total cost” of the product increases (Read “Cost Of Quality”). If the product and it’s specification are functioning in IDLH environments (Immediate Danger to Life and Health) such as in airline parts, chemical process compatibility, etc., you have to be VERY cautious!

If the specifications of the sourced parts are thoroughly verified (dimensionally, and chemically through PMI), you can get good parts at about 50-60% cost reduction.

Why is the price so low?
Two main reasons; “Material and labor”. Material cost is MUCH lower in LCC’s, and there is no way around that! Direct labor in China is in the area of $1.00/day in places. None of use would work for those wages, and/or could make a living doing that.


The Emotional Principle
“You should buy from US manufacturers and support US industry, workers and business”. US manufacturers are typically higher in price for the reasons mentioned previously. So the only question for such emotional decision/purchase is; Does my budget match my basic emotional principle? There is a cutoff somewhere for each product at any given time for all of us.

So, we may ask ourselves; Would I purchase a CD player for 4X the price if it was 100% US made, all else being equal? (Not sure many would do this) Would it be different if it was for a hobby? Depends, right? What about Consumer VS Industrial products?

The basic downfall of our society
In general terms, US manufacturers DO NOT HAVE BETTER QUALITY PRODUCTS sold at the higher prices to cover cost. Go look at castings US vs LCC’s. The “pride” of the majority of the manufacturing workforce is gone (For some good and some bad reasons). Maybe I am old school, but, I believe in giving your honest best and take pride in your work at the end of the day!


More Recent & Actual Experience
I purchased a set of headers originally sold by a TR vendor, and let me tell you …… They looked worst than some of the cheap crap (I am being really NICE :D ) from China (You know the one where the weld penetration was well into the sealing surface of the header flange?). Granted, the headers were purchased used, I called the vendor to just inform them of the quality problem. I figured that it may save a lot of other owners some headaches if the vendor would at least verify the inventory. I was literally laughed at over the phone. I can hear it; "GO to a different vendor!" There just are not many choices for performance part choices in the HA world.

Sure, I will purchase US made products over China products ANYDAY, provided it is in my budget. Most of us will not lower our standard of living “just” to buy US made products.

Made in the USA! (Observation)
A few HA owners have tried to bring products to market, the latest being an integral HA downpipe. VERY nice work I must add! But the DP would cost around $1100, 2.5”, SS and Carbon mixed (If I recall), US made! At the listed price, most potential buyers decided they can “live without it” and/or are attempting to manufacture it themselves. Price, Availability, Budget, Emotion. If the material was 100% carbon, 100% China made, fit ½ @$$ at best and sold for $200, would it sell based on options/availability in this market? :confused:

That's enough .......... :eek:

So, back to topic:
VERY Nice headers for the price, too bad they copied and possibly ******* a few people in the process.
 
I guess I'm just full of Good Luck! I spoke to the guy that sells them, and he said he would make the header right for me, So! I guess then It's a great Deal!

Anybody Looking to Save $800 +++ on headers that are of good quality, please PM me and I send info on how to get them!

thanks,


Sam

Congrats! Since you so full of good luck maybe the second time they will be right, if not I'm sure by the third they will be:rolleyes:
 
Knock off's vs Orriginal's

I bought an engine with a set of ATR Orriginal headers on it and I had a set of those E-bay ones in my garage just recently to re-weld some spots on them. the very one thing that is VERY noticeable is that the E-bay headers are VERY THIN!! compared to the orriginal headers. what comes along with THIN is (Less life) due to Heat, Stress, Vibration, and wear.. So, like the saying always goes: "You Get What You Pay For"! So if you guy's buying these cheap e-bay headers really think your saving money, that's fine! but like mentioned above, Take:

The price you paid
The price to surface them or repair them correctly
the price for welding

Now how far away are you from the price? okay, you saved Some! now take into consideration this question: " Just how long will they last before needing more repairs cause of the thickness?"

Thats just my take on them. Scot w.
 
Header threads always have so much drama !! 65+ posts :eek: :biggrin: :cool: Is a lock on its way ??? :eek: :cool:
 
If the headers were made in the USA by an American who was supporting 4 grandparents, putting 6 kids through college and volunteering at the homeless shelter, This Picture would make me demand my money back.

Those headers flow worse than stock. Bolt them on and your car WILL SLOW DOWN.

Unless you are a ricer and don't really care...
 
If and IF, they are heads made by SPX-7, how do you know they were made in china? He has posted on this board. There are some Chinese made headers on eBay.
 
If and IF, they are heads made by SPX-7, how do you know they were made in china? He has posted on this board. There are some Chinese made headers on eBay.

You're kidding right? You don't seriously think that anybody in the US can fabricate and build a complete set of stainless headers for $200 do you? Unless they're paying illegals a buck a day to fab them up.
 
You're kidding right? You don't seriously think that anybody in the US can fabricate and build a complete set of stainless headers for $200 do you? Unless they're paying illegals a buck a day to fab them up.

Nope, not kidding. I guess you have proof and know for sure.
 
If and IF, they are heads made by SPX-7, how do you know they were made in china? He has posted on this board. There are some Chinese made headers on eBay.

Theyre made in China.
 
Nope, not kidding. I guess you have proof and know for sure.

You can check some of the other boards for more info on these headers. They are made in China as is there 3.5" downpipe. All they need is a crooked stock location intercooler to match the headers & downpipe to complete there performance package.
 
You can check some of the other boards for more info on these headers. They are made in China as is there 3.5" downpipe. All they need is a crooked stock location intercooler to match the headers & downpipe to complete there performance package.

Bud, don't be a hater! Oh... by the way I noticed you were very concerned about emission and laws and being certified. Question - - - Is your car compliant to every law out there! - Chances are like most people on the site prob not! But if your are kuddos to you!

Also what performance parts do you have on your car and have you invested in your car! When you get up to the 10K or more, you start to try and save as much as you can.... I just rebuilt my engine and I spared no expense on internals -(Forged Crank, Pistons, ect..) So i'm looking to save some money.... Unless your independantly wealthy most people try and do the same thing. So - stop with the China stuff..... I hope you don't have anything made in Japan or china in your home! GO LOOK AT YOUR REMOTE CONTROL -it's probably made in china , japan or taiwan!
 
Bud, don't be a hater! Oh... by the way I noticed you were very concerned about emission and laws and being certified. Question - - - Is your car compliant to every law out there! - Chances are like most people on the site prob not! But if your are kuddos to you!

Also what performance parts do you have on your car and have you invested in your car! When you get up to the 10K or more, you start to try and save as much as you can.... I just rebuilt my engine and I spared no expense on internals -(Forged Crank, Pistons, ect..) So i'm looking to save some money.... Unless your independantly wealthy most people try and do the same thing. So - stop with the China stuff..... I hope don't have anything made in Japan or china in your home! GO LOOK AT YOUR REMOTE CONTROL -it's probably made in china , japan or taiwan!

As a matter of fact my car passes emissions & i'm sure would embarass your car with ease..... with less parts. :) I've been doing this turbo buick thing for 20 years & have probally forgotten more about these cars than you will ever learn. Good luck with your high quality, made in china build.
 
As a matter of fact my car passes emissions & i'm sure would embarass your car with ease..... with less parts. :) I've been doing this turbo buick thing for 20 years & have probally forgotten more about these cars than you will ever learn. Good luck with your high quality, made in china build.

Well, I'm only 29 and I've probably owned more GN's and TTA in my 10 years working than you have owned in your life! I've got a lot of problems, but money is not one of them, If your ever in texas and you wanna put your car up on the line and race! Lets race I'll put my 6.0 years experience versus your 20 years of old technology to the test!

Don't think I haven't been around the GNTTYPE.ORG AND TURBOBUICK website. I used to be the same member here a long time ago named Samballs I've recently forgot my old password and just got a new Userid: Samballs1 and i've been around since the late 90's I just never posted but I kept up with all the reading and got out of the picture for a while!

Thanks,

Have a great day!

Oh... and as per my signature - hoping for 10's that's on a conservative 20# of boost on pump gas and alchy!!!! hehehehe I could probably push the car to 10 flats!!! - full weight, with all origional, no weight savings, with boom boom in the back!


I saw the pictures of your car and they are beautiful - I commend you on your cars!
 
Thank you for the compliment on my cars SAMBALLS1. Those cars are just a couple of the TB fleet i've owned. I'd love to put my Old School trickery to the test anytime...... hopefully we can meet sometime. :)
 
Thank you for the compliment on my cars SAMBALLS1. Those cars are just a couple of the TB fleet i've owned. I'd love to put my Old School trickery to the test anytime...... hopefully we can meet sometime. :)

Someday in the future! Our paths will Cross! ;) ;) ;) :biggrin: :biggrin:
 
EXCELLENT!! ;)

Sounds like the gauntlet is thrown! Good old american shoot out! Did alittle searchin' and yes seems like they are made in china. With alot of other performance parts. There is even a company (China) that knocks of Edlebrock intakes. I also read Scat has there cranks forged in china. You would think SEMA would take an interest in this. Not on having parts made over seas, but if they are coping US made stuff that should be a no-no.:mad:
 
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