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S10xGN

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Hi All,

After reading this thread, I decided to take the plunge.

Purpose: To remove any possible restriction from the return fuel line(s) before upgrading to a better fuel pump (Aeromotive 340).

Tools needed: New o-ring (selection), drill bit selection, small metal lathe.

Phase 1: Modified my Accufab regulator (as per above thread) with a few changes. I was thinking erosion might become a problem as fuel rips across the bare aluminum left by drilling the return orifice, so I found and installed a bushing like the original only larger. Didn't see any benefit in changing the inlet diameter (it's already ~ 0.250") especially if it were to intrude into the outlet port. The smallest diameter in the regulator is now the outlet port at 0.234" ID (drilled with a letter "A" bit) as opposed to the 0.187" original. That's a 56% increase in area.

Phase 2: Got the Jeg's 06 x 14mm-1.5 adapter out and had a look, man is that center ID small! Again, 0.187" ID is prolly going to be a bottleneck for a good fuel pump. A letter "L" drill (0.290") fits snugly into the 06 end of the fitting, that's a pretty nice increase. The o-ring seat ID in the regulator is 0.296" and if we can bore the fitting, it will no longer be the restriction. However, doing this will move the "seal" of the o-ring from the ID of the bore to the "face". I didn't see this as being a problem and the Accufab's stock o-ring seat (ID) remains untouched so the regulator can be used with either fitting. Screwing the fitting into the regulator (minus the o-ring) bottoms out on the face and leaves an 0.080" gap between the base of the regulator and the nut of the fitting. Step 1 is to bore the fitting with the "L" bit, which also removes the inner lip that holds the o-ring. Step 2 is to chuck the fitting in a lathe (yeah, it's nice to have one!) and turn the "o-ring end" of the fitting to approximately 0.330" OD so as to leave a wall that is 0.020" thick and about 0.100" deep. Step 3, since the walls are only 0.020", it's easy to "bell" the mouth with a round hand tool, like a screwdriver shaft. This will help hold the o-ring in place. Step 4, the depth of the cut is deeper than the o-ring I'm using, so now we turn the end off so the overall depth is about 0.020 less than the thickness of the o-ring. This allows for some o-ring compression and also moves the adapter further up into the regulator body so now there's 0.020" clearance between the body and nut, a small gain none-the-less. Now the fitting is completely out of the picture restriction-wise, as the ID has been increased from 0.187" to 0.288" (which is a 236% increase in area). I did look at the Jeg's 06 x 16mm-1.5 inlet fitting but didn't see any gains to be had, as the ID of the o-ring boss is about the same as the (0.288) diameter of the 06 flare end.

Phase 3: To be continued, waiting on parts! This will be upgrading the factory "engine manifold assembly" return line from 5/16" to 3/8". After seeing a friends truck burn to the ground recently, I'm looking carefully at all my hoses and these original 25 yo hoses are in sad shape. I can't see paying close to $200 and getting the same old 5/16" return line. I bought (and will bend to the exact same shape) a piece of 3/8" steel brake line to replace the factory 5/16" line. To get from the 06 fittings to the steel lines there are several options. Discount Hydraulic Hose has dedicated tube to flare conversion fittings (for $28 apiece!) or you can buy 2 "Convert-A-Flare" pieces (#418 tube nut and #419 tube sleeve) plus the flare fitting of your choice for around $3.80 per "unit". I bought 6 each "sets" of the Convert-A Flares plus 06 flare unions, and an 06x90° swivel. 2 will go on my chassis lines (which are both 3/8" already), 2 will go on the engine manifold lines by the crank sensor, and 2 will go on the supply and return rail/regulator ends. The swivel goes under the regulator. Between the rail fittings and the chassis fittings will be a pair of 06 hoses (each with Jeg's brand black fittings), 90° at the engine and 45° at the chassis. The total for all this was $144 in parts, not including the piece of Jeg's black cloth-braided 06 hose I had left over from another project.

I don't know for sure if the Aeromotive pump would have overwhelmed my return line, but I KNOW it won't now. Plus I have a fuel line with all new rubber lines and it's got universally replaceable parts...
 

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A bunch of views and no comments... If anybody cares, the hard lines are finished. The lines are sleeved in heatshield, shrink-wrapped on each end and color-coded red for supply and black for return. I shortened the 14mmx1.5 adaptor another 1/8" up into the regulator so the convert-a-flare fitting could be removed w/o removing the regulator first. Prolly wouldn't do that again though, too much work. The engine (long-block) is in and the braided hoses are made up. Cool front coming tomorrow and more progress will be made!
 

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looks great....lemme know if you have any more laying around:rolleyes:

cant wait to see more pics.

aaron
 
Very nice! Those hard lines are pretty slick. I might have to copy some of your ideas!;)
 
Are you missing the tube sleeves under the "B" nuts? They really need to be there to maintain a good seal and prevent flare cracking. The OEM gets away with-out sleeves, by double flaring the lines. A single flare at 37* can cause cracking over time. Probably will be OK, but "next time" be sure to order the tube sleeves and install them prior to flaring.:smile:
Your system looks good. You can get a full -6AN or -8AN with out having to compromise the o-ring seats. Just buy a standard metric to AN adaptor and trim the threads down a bit (with your fancy lathe;) or even an angle grinder will work--you need to trim the fitting a bit so the bottom of the metric end doesn't seat inside the rail) and use a dowty seal under the hex portion of the fitting. The seal will sandwich between the face of the fuel rail and the face of the fitting hex. A dowty seal looks like an aluminum washer with an o-ring embedded into it. http://www.holley.com/data/products/pictures/largeDowtySeals.jpg

2nd pic in this thread shows the fitting: http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/general-turbo-buick-tech/213340-complete-new-fuel-system-parts.html

I like your fitting on the lower end of the lines, nice thinking/fabricating there.
 
Well, thanks guys! I was beginning to think nobody cared. :o Ken, those nuts have the sleeves inside of them. The way they work is the outboard end of the sleeve crimps into the hard line to seal the tube (just like a compression fitting), while the fitting-side of the sleeve has a 37° taper that seals against the JIC fitting. I thought about the Dowty seals and I'd prolly do that if I were going to do it over.

The engine is back in and I'll be pressure-testing the fuel system tomorrow, so wish me luck!
 
:o :o :o Well, that didn't work out quite so good. Just about all of these convert-a-flare fittings leaked. :mad: Supposed to be good for 3k PSI hydraulic systems... :confused: Finally managed to get all but 1 fitting "leak-free" but I'll be going to hoses as soon as Jeg's can get the stuff here. Just glad to have had the forethought to "test" before finishing the assembly. Ehh, at least I won't be running the stock worn out rubber "el floppy" hoses.

:biggrin: On a positive note, the larger return line, and fitting/regulator mods got me right at 22# with the regulator jack screw full out so that's no longer a worry.
 
Russ, I know this is an old thread but what did you finally wind up doing with this setup? I am thinking about this same project to dual feed the rail and have access to alot of fittings like you showed. Thanks. Jeremy.
 
Russ, I know this is an old thread but what did you finally wind up doing with this setup? I am thinking about this same project to dual feed the rail and have access to alot of fittings like you showed. Thanks. Jeremy.

Jeremy,

I ended up with the Convert-a-Flares as in post #2, I got new parts and followed the directions. It's hard to imagine the lack of assembly lube causing these fittings to fail, but that's what happened. The only "problem" is the fuel rail now bleeds down instantly because the bore job on the regulator trashed the sealing surface inside it. That could have been fixed with a little more forethought...
 
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