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batmansbuick

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I was reading the Dec. Hot Rod mag and there was an article about Factory Stock Appearing drags. Im not sure if a TR could've competed in this particular race, but if it could what would you guys do to keep it 'Factory Stock appearing' TA49, motor internals, dp, etc? I would think a TR stealth modded could go low 11's? 10's?
 
Probably wouldn't be allowed because we would embarrass the big block mountain motors.
 
Marka Gallina ran 11s with a hot air car in some class like that....loooong time ago. She had the little stock turbo and no IC. I'm sure a 86-87 could do better. Anyone??
 
Stock air intake, stock intercooler and stock size tires.....the buick will not compete. Those guys are dipping into the 10's now.

I went 11.08 on a stock intercooler and stock appearing turbo but on et street tires. No way it'll do that on stock size radials. With a good boost controller to soften the hit of boost a TR will have a better chance of getting down the track on those little tires. Maybe 11.30-11.40.....
 
Intake, intercooler, and tires DON'T have to be stock. They have to "look" stock. Tires can be 1" wider than stock. And clone cars are aloud. So, if you did a GNX clone, you could run a 9" wide tire. Intakes, exhausts, intercoolers, heads, etc could be opened up. Air cleaner boxes could be gutted with extra holes drilled on the bottom for more air flow. I think that race gas is allowed. This could be fun...
 
Yes, my car was stock appearing. IE...looked stock but wasn't.

11.08 practically on slicks. You could do a GNX clone, find a GNX intercooler which is slightly better than a true stock one. I seriously doubt you'll get away with a stretch which would help ALOT.

Still going mid 1.5 60 foots to get you in the high tens probably ain't gonna happen on a real 9 inch wide radial.

I say 11.20's at best. In this class I'll take the big cube Chevy anyday.
 
if a car has high ten power, what tires are 'they' using then? why can their cars get that low and not ours?
 
good ??? I just saw the mag an it only says smal block /power adder an big block/power adder. Maybe next yr. it will have "v-6/power adder" Whos that guy that does the cylinder head work up in Chicago that has the fact appearing GS that runs like mid to upper 10's on bias ply fact. tires? He runs some fact. stk "appearing" classes.
 
if a car has high ten power, what tires are 'they' using then? why can their cars get that low and not ours?

They are using the old stock style bias ply tires like the G70's and usually go mid 1.6 60's. The front runners also make enough power to go mid low 10's. The Vette has been 130mph:eek: I have been 1.64 60 foot on a real radial but only on 22# of boost. More boost and it would spin when it reached about 24# of boost. My best time was 7.36 in FAST trim. I never tried to run the class but was curious what my car would do in that style of a class. That's enough for mid 11's. I know I could go low 11's but it would take some type of boost controller or some way of controlling the timing to make it easier on the tires. Or you just have to be really consistent at manually controlling the throttle. It's hard to peddle a turbo car and still be consistent.

I'm not sure what those guys are doing to control the power. They could be using some kind of timing delay in the MSD system or the old fashion way with the throttle.

BTW on that 130mph pass. The L88 Corvette went 10.59:eek:
 
Yea I remember that Vette I think we saw it las yr. in Bristol @ a Year One event. May have been the fact. appearing drags hell I can't remember.
 
I think you can change your ECU, and use a FAST or BS3, or??

I know Marka ran something like the DFI, and 32PSI with the stock hot air turbo.

Real tall tires and a rear gear around 5.??
 
Whos that guy that does the cylinder head work up in Chicago that has the fact appearing GS that runs like mid to upper 10's on bias ply fact. tires? He runs some fact. stk "appearing" classes.

Are you thinking of John Chamberlin? Brown, or gold, 70 455 Stage 1 with vinyl top, bench seat and column shift? His car has been on My Classic Car before and did runs down the strip at Milan or Stanton. He's been racing that GS in this class for years.
 
The cars that run the F.A.S.T. series are no where near factory stock. The Vette has a 511 ci L-88 aluminum headed engine that was dynoed @ 650 fwhp. Another of the fastest cars, a Hemi Road Runner clone, has a 498 ci Hemi with @ 615 at the wheels and 14.0:1. To quote the owner, "It's basically a Super Stock motor". I was reading articles in Hot Rod (Dec. 06 and Jan 07 issues) about them today. The rules allow unlimited displacement increases and other internal modifications within the limits of a stock-appearing block. Largest tire allowed is a G-60 if the car came with them, otherwise it is a G-70 on 6 inch wide rims. They allow basic suspension mods, shocks, springs, bushings, snubbers, and clamped springs but no bolt on traction devices. It also has a catagory that allows parts as long as they appear correct for that year, make, and model.

The Jan issue had the Vette, the RR, and a Stage 1 GS facing off on slicks. The GS was not a normal F.A.S.T. racer. Infact the article said that it was the first time that car had been on the track. They were bashing the Buick about having T/A aluminum heads which would not be allowed in the series. The Buick was the slowest of the three but IIRC it still pulled some high 10's and as far as I know it did it with the stock displacement, un-stroked 455. It did dyno highest out of the three but out wieghed the Vette by around 800 lbs.

There is a factory stock class as well with a lot stricter rules but the fastest cars in that class are 11.70's-11.90's.

I think a stroked 4.1 with a carefully sorted combo and GNX suspension could be very competative. The series requires bias ply tires but I've always heard they could hook better than stock radials. The only real problem I see is the same as at many car shows we go to. It is only open to '55 to '74 muscle cars. We are black sheeps again. baa.....baa :mad: :biggrin:
 
You would have to run the stock compressor and turbine houosings (no pte turbine housing), you would have to run the stock elbow and downpipe, and you would have to run a 215 tire if not a GNX. So max would be a 66 compressor and T-350 turbine wheel not even a P-Trim would fit. They do not allow valve cover spacers so rockers would be an issue. I just don't see any one going 10's @ 130 MPH or even close with those rules on a stock intercooler. I drove Dave Dudek's (the guy that has the hemi road runner above) old Hemi Challenger that ruled F.A.S.T for a while with a 488" high compression hemi and 4 speed. it went low 11's on G60 polyglass tires. There was TONS done to the suspension, lots of moving and welding to get it to work and lots of time and money in that car to make it run like that, it was a blast to drive on the street.
Mike
 
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