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SignUp Now!Last year I went with an extender chip, translator, powerlogger and scanmaster.I havent got mine yet, but its going in with the new motor. Im installing it because of the amount of $$$ I have spent on the motor. It runs everything and takes control of the tuning better then a chip and ECM. It needs tuned by someone who really knows what they are looking at...aka Cal Hartline or someone of his caliber. When you consider a Scanmaster is $250 and a Powerlogger is $275 and a chip is $85 and a ECM is $100 ( if your converting a 84-85 lets say) your almost halfway there. It also will allow you to change to several types of fuel and you dont need to swap out anything like the chip. Its just a program change.
Coach
Last year I went with an extender chip, translator, powerlogger and scanmaster.
I feel those items are a waste of money.
My garage is filling up with high tickets items that have been replaced with higher ticket items.
I think I will stick with a tuner that doesn't want me to buy more parts so he can do his job.
You still need to provide people with your combo and your goals so that people that know.....can provide you with the best advice.
I have had a fast system (XFI) in my car for a few years and it has taken me from all the way from high 12's to middle 10's has had different turbos, injectors,hell even different fuels,never needed a chip reburn or a bunch of switches needed to changed(translater crap) ect ect...I love it and recommend it to anyone that is going above and beyond a "stock buick"
And as Coach said...if you got money into an Engine its the best way to go being you can manipulate everything and log anything and make sure your always in tip top shape!
I recommend going through Hartline Performance for all your XFI questions and needs
-Dan
Same here plus with the self learning enabled it basically tunes itself!I went with the FAST XFI last year and what a difference. Cal Hartline is a great wealth of information on these systems and a great tuner as the multitude of posts testify. He can even evaluate your tune and logs and email you a new tune to install. He has worked on mine long distance several times.
Sorry you feel that way. Those items you mention are extremely capable of providing plenty of HP to the wheels with ease...... idle good, provide decent fuel economy, only requiring you to input a minimal amount of time and effort to make it work. If your tuner can't make those work, get a different tuner..... there is nothing wrong with those parts.
Not redundant just sub parExactly, those are great items. This expert wants to install a $1600 FAST system. It seems that the FAST system makes what I have redundant.
What all mods are on the car now?
Turbo? 6262 BB CEA
Injectors? 60
Cam? 212/206
Heads? Champion iron ported
Converter? PTC NL
Wideband? No
What are your goals? What boost do you think it will take to get there? 10.9 at 25lbs
New Weber stoker block forged rotating assembly
All these are questions you need to honestly answer to get the best advice IMHO.
Not redundant just sub par
I went XFI and never looked back!
I have some friends that have translators and stuff like that...seems like they are always playin with it...ALWAYS
I don't even bring a laptop with me anymore
I just drive the thing...
I would say realistically.... you have the potential to go into the 10's..... It think it is obtainable by 25 psi.......
With that said, you should still be able to get there without spending the $1600 on a FAST (I think it will be closer to $2k unless you are buying used and without a wiring adaptor).
What Intercooler?
Alky?
Bottom line is, IMHO, the hardware is there to go into the 10's. I prefer a wideband chip that has WOT 02 correction. IMHO, it is a poor mans FAST.
Blazer406 said:IMHO, you need to have a clear direction on what you want to accomplish. IMHO, if your goals aren't 9's or quicker.... you probably need to stick with a chip for now. It doesn't get any easier on an 11 sec regal than to just buy a TT chip and plug it in and go. Also, if you can't do some of it yourself (tuning a FAST) you will do alot more sitting than driving as compared to a chip.
Don't get me wrong, there is a time and place for a FAST..... just probably not "the answer" for many turbo regal owners....and since the OP has a very small number of posts.... and no details in his sig..... I must assume you are probably in the 11 - 13 sec range.
Coach..... just because you get a FAST doesn't insure you can't/won't blow it up. IMHO, sometimes it is easier to screw something up in the FAST than in a chip. With either system, things like fuel system, power and ground system must be there or things are gonna get ugly quick.
sensors..you should already have all the needed sensors...Gotta look close at one's budget as well. When you look at things like FAST and other standalones you think, "Meh $1600 I can save up and get that." But once you're actually done setting it up the way you want with sensors, harness adapters, boost control, tune....it ends up be much much much more.