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Thats how it all starts. Just one more thing to a mostly stock car and then you find yourself hidding money from the wife to buy a bigger this and that. Good luck and it wont stop. Just one more tenth.
Youve been reading MY diary!!!! I tell mine i have got NO MONEY. but we need this for the house... SORRY BABE Im broke as Chapt. 13...( Ive saved $2500 )so far on my engine build so fa .. uh oh , Gotta go wifes coming:biggrin: :biggrin:
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coach
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Thanks for the info. I am not real familiar with the numbers being thrown around as it pertains to the different size turbos. Let me clear up what I was thinking. My car is a bone stock 16,000 mile beauty. I have already put in the Kirban variable rate springs and have airbags to install. My next step is to replace the original valve springs to bring back the correct seat pressure. I was looking at the Hooker cat back system with Flowmaster mufflers. My friend is a GM mechanic , monday thru friday and hot rodder on sat and sun,for the last 25 years and will do all the work. He specialized in the turbo buicks when they came in for warranty work. Next was an adjustable MAF and fuel pressure reg. A cold air unit as well. I do not know much about the injectors or this power plate. What are my best options??? I was considering changing the turbo as well as the intercooler so I could save the originals. I was leaning toward a stock appearing turbo, with ball-bearings. Would this be a wise move? I also found a nice intercooler with a nice aluminum air box that drops in place of the factory unit. I also need a chip. What plugs and what gap on them???
With good tires would this net 12 flats on the street? I have an 11 sec Max Wedge car as well as a 9 sec Blown 409 chevy. I will not be searching for another tenth after this is completed. I just grab a different set of keys.
I drive this car on nice days and do not want to risk it value in any way except some cosmetics under the hood.
Thanks for all the feedback. I am a high school football coach and I will check back as often as I can. Please keep all your info coming. I am learning a ton. While we are at it, can anyone give me some advise on stoping a 300 pound defensive tackle with a 190 pound guard??? That is tonights goal. The car has to wait until saturday.
Thanks a bunch,
Coach
With good tires would this net 12 flats on the street? I have an 11 sec Max Wedge car as well as a 9 sec Blown 409 chevy. I will not be searching for another tenth after this is completed. I just grab a different set of keys.
I drive this car on nice days and do not want to risk it value in any way except some cosmetics under the hood.
Thanks for all the feedback. I am a high school football coach and I will check back as often as I can. Please keep all your info coming. I am learning a ton. While we are at it, can anyone give me some advise on stoping a 300 pound defensive tackle with a 190 pound guard??? That is tonights goal. The car has to wait until saturday.
Thanks a bunch,
Coach
Jerryl
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Coach,
I am no expert but there is one thing I know.
Get a chip from TurboTweak Home
Leave it stock besides the ABOSULTE necessary and grab another set of keys.
The rest are details! :biggrin:
Oh, here is a good thread! A gem actually.
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/ge...-turbo-regal-poll.html?highlight=best+upgrade
Almost all good ideas.
One thing you'll want to think about NOT doing, and that is the flowmaster mufflers. While they sound great on most cars, and arguably are of some benefit on n/a (normally aspirated) engines. They have no place on turbo equiped car, and are for sure a choke point. One turbo equiped cars you should do all that's possible to reduce post turbo backpressure to as near zero as is practical. Flowmasters are the wrong way to go.I assume when you refer to and "adjustable MAF" that you are referring to the MAF translator/GM maf combo? Good idea!!
johnnyttype
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Almost all good ideas.
I assume when you refer to and "adjustable MAF" that you are referring to the MAF translator/GM maf combo? Good idea!!
r flowmaster mufflers still restictive f one were to have two 3" 40series muffs and 3" torque tech exhaust? im askin this because i have that system on my car and when i ran the car down the track, closed exhaust, and then open exhuast, my time slips were only about .02sec off across the board!
callmeebryan
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Just want to chime in here....
I went 12.01 @111 with a 1.78 60' on 93 octane (ONLY) off the foot brake launching at 0psi...running 16psi no knock 20* timing.... pt63, 218/218 flat tappet cam, FAST B2B, Tony Dequick V1 (yeh, its big :biggrin
, 200r4 with 9" NL.
It was my first time at the track with the car, pretty much its first hard run ever. Also, I only got to do 1 run because my trans cable snapped. I probably could have hit 11.5-11.6 with a better 60' (if i actually tried to launch the car hard.) and 20psi.
The power is in the heads.... get those heads flowing real well and you'll see some good numbers. Remember, you dont make power on boost, you make power on flow.
Just as a quick little story.... My previous car was a custom superchargered 3.0L v6. There was a 400hp barrier with the stock heads and stock cams. I was able to put out a good 450-475hp on the stock cams with insane head work and oversized valves. Why do you think the gn-1's are so awesome??
I went 12.01 @111 with a 1.78 60' on 93 octane (ONLY) off the foot brake launching at 0psi...running 16psi no knock 20* timing.... pt63, 218/218 flat tappet cam, FAST B2B, Tony Dequick V1 (yeh, its big :biggrin
, 200r4 with 9" NL.It was my first time at the track with the car, pretty much its first hard run ever. Also, I only got to do 1 run because my trans cable snapped. I probably could have hit 11.5-11.6 with a better 60' (if i actually tried to launch the car hard.) and 20psi.
The power is in the heads.... get those heads flowing real well and you'll see some good numbers. Remember, you dont make power on boost, you make power on flow.
Just as a quick little story.... My previous car was a custom superchargered 3.0L v6. There was a 400hp barrier with the stock heads and stock cams. I was able to put out a good 450-475hp on the stock cams with insane head work and oversized valves. Why do you think the gn-1's are so awesome??
.02 (2 hundredths) difference or .2 (2 tenths)?? Our cars are hardly consistent enough to say you only saw a .02 difference (2 hundredths) on a consistent basis.
Depends on what you mean by open exhaust. If you're refering to the typical "dump" which is tacked onto the test pipe at a 45° angle, they're hardly worth the effort. A very poor method to dump the exhaust.
Remove the test pipe and run an open down pipe. Now we're talking open.
Any restrictive muffler, flowmasters included are NOT a good alternative on a turbo car.
I have to agree with Bryan. I think that a good head/cam combo is one of the best and safest things you can do to make power with pump gas. An efficient intercooler is up there, and a good air intake and exhaust system would also be high on the list.
Mr86t-type
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...I've also been in it for TOO MANY years, and learned a LOT from Carl and Dave, and Agree that the way to go (after your Basic Performace Mods, fuel pump, etc) IS Front Mount, and Bigger Turbo & Injectors, Maybe Converter, 19-20timing in the chip, 20-21PSI and most of all 93 PUMP GAS!! That should net you ~a mid 12 and be VERY Reliable........
The RJC...
power plate helps to evenly distribute the incoming air, to each cylinder, so as not to lean out the rear cylinders while under hi-psi. The most popular injectors are the mototron 60/65#ers, and should supply all the injector you will probably need. Plus you don't have to mod the ecm, since the drivers needed for the mod are scarce. The large, stock location I/C's are very good w/gbodyparts and pte being the most popular. A stock appearing BB-turbo is a good idea, quick resonse on the street and if you are purchasing it thru one of our vendors, they will be able to explain the sizing and what will work well w/the mototrons. There has been plenty of discussions concerning plugs and you can do a search on them, but I settled on ngk's (urn-5's I think?) gapped between .028-.032", depending on the boost level. But no platnium plugs, they melt away. Haven't tried the iridium. Again the Turbo-tweak chip works great, and I highly recommend Eric. Head work would be an option if you are removing them for any reason, port-matching and mild bowl work is probably all that would be nescessary. Stiffen the suspension w/an ATR style sway bar, box the l/control arms w/some poly-bushings w/grease fittings, or overkill w/the HR-parts& stuff sway bar. Some sticky tires and you should be good to go! A really big advantage would be if your mech. is familiar w/the latest tuning tools, the buick specific data-logger, scanmasterII, LC-1 combo from fullthrottlespeed. That's probably all you will ever need. I hope I don't scare you away w/all this!?
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power plate helps to evenly distribute the incoming air, to each cylinder, so as not to lean out the rear cylinders while under hi-psi. The most popular injectors are the mototron 60/65#ers, and should supply all the injector you will probably need. Plus you don't have to mod the ecm, since the drivers needed for the mod are scarce. The large, stock location I/C's are very good w/gbodyparts and pte being the most popular. A stock appearing BB-turbo is a good idea, quick resonse on the street and if you are purchasing it thru one of our vendors, they will be able to explain the sizing and what will work well w/the mototrons. There has been plenty of discussions concerning plugs and you can do a search on them, but I settled on ngk's (urn-5's I think?) gapped between .028-.032", depending on the boost level. But no platnium plugs, they melt away. Haven't tried the iridium. Again the Turbo-tweak chip works great, and I highly recommend Eric. Head work would be an option if you are removing them for any reason, port-matching and mild bowl work is probably all that would be nescessary. Stiffen the suspension w/an ATR style sway bar, box the l/control arms w/some poly-bushings w/grease fittings, or overkill w/the HR-parts& stuff sway bar. Some sticky tires and you should be good to go! A really big advantage would be if your mech. is familiar w/the latest tuning tools, the buick specific data-logger, scanmasterII, LC-1 combo from fullthrottlespeed. That's probably all you will ever need. I hope I don't scare you away w/all this!?
:biggrin: Hi, Coach. Stay low so they have to bend down to engage you, which cuts down their mobility, keep your shoulders square to them so your are as wide as possible, and don't stop moving your feet until after they run over you . He who stops moving their feet first always loses in any push or tug of war.
Go to Turbo Regal Web Site and read as many of the technical articles as you can. Great background for these cars. When new the injectors were already too small the fuel pump barely adequate, so put a walbro 340 in the tank and think about bigger injectors and a chip to match. Either 50's or the 60's will be plenty for you but still perfectly streetable. With the stock turbo and intercooler on pump gas you will get high 13's. These cars are very sensitive to the combination: tubo, intercooler, injectors, torque converter, octane, and the chip. Read the recipes at gnttype and you will see that for a given et there are parts that work well together. You will be very far from stock to run 12.0's on 93 octane in street trim. Very doable, but will require a good combination of parts and tuning.
. He who stops moving their feet first always loses in any push or tug of war.Go to Turbo Regal Web Site and read as many of the technical articles as you can. Great background for these cars. When new the injectors were already too small the fuel pump barely adequate, so put a walbro 340 in the tank and think about bigger injectors and a chip to match. Either 50's or the 60's will be plenty for you but still perfectly streetable. With the stock turbo and intercooler on pump gas you will get high 13's. These cars are very sensitive to the combination: tubo, intercooler, injectors, torque converter, octane, and the chip. Read the recipes at gnttype and you will see that for a given et there are parts that work well together. You will be very far from stock to run 12.0's on 93 octane in street trim. Very doable, but will require a good combination of parts and tuning.
C
coach
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OK TURBO DAVE, What mufflers do I run?? The kit comes with the Hookers. The BB turbo will be next year as will the intercooler. So if I am understanding most of this input, A turbo Tweak chip, bigger MAF, adjustable fuel reg, 60# mototrons,cold air intake, and the cat back. This would do honest what ? low 12's
Thanks
Coach
Thanks
Coach
Mid 13's...
Sorry... but the stock turbo... with stock intercooler.... on pump gas..... isn't close to a 12 anything...... 8.30's in the 1/8 on a decent 60' (1.80 or quicker)is a decent time on low boost (14 lbs)... with a few bolt-on's....IMHO....
As far as muffs go, virtually any good straight through design that has a smooth interior (not like the typical glass packs which BTW are also VERY restrictive). I'm not familiar with the hookers so can't comment on them. There are however many good name brands out there that make a good straight through muff. Ultra Flows, Race Magnums, etc. Even the old ATR Pitbulls were ahead of their time (but no longer available), however there are vendors here that sell a copy of them.
You should be able to easilly hit low 12's with what you have mentioned with good traction.
Chips? I always recommend one of the Extender line, especially if you're easilly capable of exceeding the ECM's 255 limit.
TT chips as I understand are a good choice also.
Everybody knows I run Extenders exclusively and have more many years, and I'm also smart enough to know there's probably dozens of guys on the boards just waiting for me to bad mouth the TT chips.
Sorry guys it aint happen'n
:wink: As far as I'm concerned there's really only two chip brands one should consider, based on needs and goals.
Bob Bailey's Extender line (or Commanders if you still are running the stock MAF)
or
Erics TT line.
Sorry, I tend to get long winded at times.
Dave... are you suggesting low 12's before he upgrades his intercooler and turbo? Maybe I am not understanding ET goal with XX mods.... but I thought he was asking what will it run with the mods except for intercooler and turbo....
IMHO.... I respectfully disagree TurboDave..... Low 12's are not possible with a stock turbo... stock intercooler... on near stock boost.... with pump gas... in a full weight car.....I don't care what chip... MAF etc....
Many a person has not got their car into the 11's with the stock turbo... even on race gas... with 23+ psi boost....
I agree, I apperently assumed too much. Realistically, very low 12's would be tough with the stock turbo and intercooler. (you watch, somebody will come out of the woodwork claiming to do so) Although it's probably possible.
I thought the turbo was already upgraded.
My bad.
I thought the turbo was already upgraded.
My bad.
Who, what, where, when, how, and why?
witnesses?
here ya go ... JC is FLYING !!!!! Melissa is gearing up for Cecil County in a few weeks
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/al...-tech/201563-fastest-pump-gas-alky-car-2.html
