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i heard that GM went a little stupid towards the end of the production line with our cars. i heard that sometimes people will have a POSI (from the factory) but GM forgets to put the RPO code and decals are put on the car on the opposite side that they would normally be on. my 87 gn has the trunk lid decal on the right side instead of the left.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/132725579/133340156fjQVMi
anyone know about this stuff?
 
Trunk lid decal is supposed to be on the right side of the lid facing the back bumper.

Link didn't work.

More chance of someone adding or subtracting the posi. over the past 17 years history of the car than GM making the code error.
 
Mine is on the right.

I agree. It's very possible that someone added or subtracted that over the cars history.

I also thought there was more then one build sheet on these cars.

Could have also been a dealer installed option. I don't think that would show up on the trunk sticker.
 
right/left.....it belongs on the driver's side (assuming a left hand drive car.......)
 
Drivers side is correct.......I have never seen an original car with it on the wrong side. Alot of cars that have been repainted will have it on the wrong side.

Pete
 
I've owned two totally stock GNs and both trunk emblems are on the driver's side of the deck lid. I'm a STICKLER for detail and have researched anomalies with our cars and the reasons behind them.

For the record, your deck emblem should be on the driver's side with the bottom of the "6" 1/16-1/8" below the crease in the trunk. A major mistake such as this would be almost non-existant. My uncle worked for GM as a quality inspector and I've discussed this at length with him. A mistake of this calibre would have been caught immediately at the factory. Is it possible a couple squeaked by, sure. But not the amount of people reporting the emblem on the wrong side. Most likely the emblem was removed (repaint, repair, etc.) and replaced without remembering which side it came from. My research indicates Buick had templates that directed where to place these emblems which is why original cars have them in identical locations down to the 1/16 of an inch. I've personally seen ALLEGEDLY "100% stock original" cars with the fender emblems way too high. It's an immediate tip-off something's not right.

I have to ask, how long have you owned this car? How many previous owners were there? Look VERY carefully for repaint evidence. If it's still totally original it should have some SERIOUS orange peel (you should see my car). If it has higher mileage and still original, then it should show quite a few swirl marks along with orange peel.

On a side note, my first GN was purchased in 1990 from the original owner and had never seen a body/repair shop. I owned the car for almost 10 years before discovering my dash plate over the glove box was incorrect. It bore "Buick Regal" instead of Grand National. In fact I was accused by several people of owning a clone...not true. My uncle said that since it was such a subtle mistake it probably wasn't noticed by quality inspectors. He suggested the reason for the wrong plate was due to the parts bin running dry of the Grand National ones during production. The person responsible for installing them would have had bins full of others for the differing models of Buicks. I imagine they didn't want to stop the assembly line for such an anomalie so they kept production up and stuck on the wrong plate. My uncle confirmed this theory since he and my dad (longtime GM employee) said this wasn't uncommon back then and especially in the 1960s and 1970s. Today, parts management is much better.

Anyway, if I were a betting man I'd say your car was actually built correctly and someone replaced the emblem in the wrong spot. In fact, after re-examing your photograph it appears your fender emblems are too high as well...that's an indicator. It appears that your fender emblems are in line with your door handles which is waaaay too high. They should be door lock lever or a tad below. Look at my car and compare for yourself.

Best of luck,
 
Whoa, I saw your "3.8 SFI TURBO" emblems on your hood. Those are incorrect as well. They should be centered on the bubble, yours appear to be toward the rear of the edge of the bubble toward the windshield...definitely incorrect. I looked again at different photos of your fender emblems and they're definitely too high. Those were NOT put there by the factory. If you look at mine and compare yours you'll see yours are above the flare of your front wheel wells. Mine are mostly below the top crease of the flare.

My buddy has an '87 Turbo T that had a factory repaint, at the time he opted to keep the car emblem free. I talked him into reinstalling every factory emblem to it's proper location. We researched each and every position to replicate factory original and did a helluva job. They were perfect in every way. I have photos if you want to see. I can also take up-close photos of where all mine are if you want. I know the locations are also posted on www.gnttype.org.
 
Originally posted by gn85
I also thought there was more then one build sheet on these cars.

There are 2 build sheets:

One is under the rear seat (Often removed), and the second which is (often still in place) behind the driver side lower door panel!
 
TT/A1233
thanks for all the info. i always wondered about all of emblems but never really cared to look into it. i have all records of the vehicle since 87 including original window sticker. i am the 3rd owner of trhe car. i knew that the driver side fender was repainted due to a slight fender bender. i would like to see the photos of the T Type.
 
Bought my car new in 1987 and the trunk has never been repainted.

Mines only a WE4 however and not a GN. ;)

Trunk sticker from the factory was installed vertically and on the PASSENGER side of the trunk lid.

GN was stuck there also but was removed for painting by the previous owner or shop. I just assumed they put it back sorta where they found it. :D
 
Wait a minute...

Are we on two different pages or is it too early in the morning for me to be reading posts??

Some of us are talking about the RPO code sticker INSIDE the deck lid and some of us are talking about the GN emblem on the OUTSIDE of the decklid.

As I posted before, I know my sticker is on the right (passenger's side) for the RPO codes...

But I do know from both extensive research and just plain looking at the back of my car that the GN emblem is on the left (driver's side).

I have seen many cars with the emblem on the wrong side. I've always assumed this to be due to repaints. I have heard of factory emblems not being straight. Once again, Monday or Friday cars. :)
 
this is for the emblems on the outside of the car. i was just wondering if where the trunk lid emblem was SUPPOSED to be. also i now know that all of my emblems are a little off ;)
 
Trunk lid RPO decal is on the inside of the trunk. ;)

That's what I was talking about anyway.

Plastic emblem is on the drivers side. :D

That clears up a lot. :cool:
 
According to Kirban's Guide to 1986-1987 Turbo Regals the RPO sticker on the underside of the trunk should be on the passenger side and could be horizontal or roatated 90° counter-clockwise. He says original cars were produced both ways with most of them vertical.
 
if its a nice car who cares where the sticker is. How can enjoy a car when you are too worried if its correct for the purpose of its value. Ever see the quality control on a mopar muscle car?? they weren't consistant on anything. Fakes are easy to spot thou from a mile away cause the paint is perfect.

let me ask a few questions. what is the mileage? Do you have all original parts (tires, oil filter, radio,etc)? If the answer is no to any of the parts the sticker placement isn't even really an issue at this point. Some people treat their cars like Giant models, i choose to drive the wheels off of them. But my main point is that if you sell your car at some point and someone says "well that sticker should be on the other side" should that be a selling point of a car? sticker placement?
 
88 CuttyClassic,

Let me address this since what you criticize is important to me. You choose to drive your wheels off and I choose to treat mine with kid gloves (a model as you put it). So be it. Who cares how anyone treats their property as they see fit as long as they don't mess with your car.

To some people their TRs are more than just cars. This particular car is a LEGEND in the performance car community. There is a limited supply of these to go around. The more that are modified, driven and beat on the fewer 100% original examples are left. Some people (including me) are proud to have such a rare example of a legend. Attention to detail on such cars are paramount. Our thread author's car appears to be quite original looking. To the discriminating eye one can tell immediately it's had some sort of body work due to the misplacement of all the emblems. 87GNcospg would be embarrassed if he were at a show and someone called him out on the errors in his "original" car.

I personally enjoy my car because it's unique....very unique. How you ask?...How many 100% original GNs are in existence today? I'd say less than a hundred. How many modified TRs are around?...too many to count. To me, rarity is uniqueness and vice-versa.

You're at a car show, you see three identical 1971 Cudas. One is totally 100% original the other is modified and the third is original in every respect but restored. Which is the more sought after and unique?
 
Originally posted by TT/A1233




You're at a car show, you see three identical 1971 Cudas. One is totally 100% original the other is modified and the third is original in every respect but restored. Which is the more sought after and unique?
see thats where we differ. i'd take the restored better than factory car. Original is a code word for OLD. Numbers matching to me just means i'm gonna have to pay more money. It don't matter to me if i buy 69 charger that had a 318 cause i'm for sure yankin that and droppin in a 440. I want the car for what its is not what its worth. I do have a problem with passing off clones as a real car. But as far as a clone being nicer than a real one, i don't have a problem woth paying more granted it was nicer.

when i say drive the wheels off my car i don't mean beat on it but i do what it was meant to do and thats drive, not sit in a musem, warehouse, garage, etc........

GN's are legendary but they didn't get legendary by staying in stock form. Maybe the X but not the GN.
 
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