GT6162 replaces GT6152

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

Frankly you open up a world of options if you work on your transmission BEFORE waiting for it to blow up. Trying to figure out how far you can go with the stock converter is limiting your potential, plus if you buy a turbo for your stock converter and then finally decide to build the trans, you'll just have to go turbo shopping all over again.

I currently want to try a BB 61 series turbo with my stock convertor, i have a few cars, so the parts trickle down to the others down the road.

I like using stock parts, they are cheap and easy.

Thanks for the advise, im headed to Mikes site to check out the turbo's.

BW

 

[Joe Reif Sr.]

What direction are you going BW?

 

[sdteb]

hell i just bought a brand new 6152 never even installed it on the 4.1 yet

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

What direction are you going BW?

On the white car i am wanting to use the stock convertor and a BB6162, once the tranny poops, i will get a neil chance convertor thats super tight like the stock convertor and get good MPH. I think it will gain a few MPH in the 1/8th. Right now its almost 96mph, and should gain 2-3 with a better launch.

Merry Christmas PAPA:smile: Hope you all had a great xmas and its good to see you here!

BW

 

[D's GN]

I think PTE is using Turbonetics for the new turbine wheels on the boosted turbos. The bigger turbine wheels look and spec out exactly the same as the one on my new Turbonetics GTK-650BB from Cotton...specifically the GT6868HPQ and the TSM killer GT7068HPQ on Fullthrottles website. These wheels are engineered for less backpressure and should work nicely. The tips of the exducer are thicker in width and require the Precision housing to be machined to allow the wheel to fit and spin free. Here is a pic of the new wheel- this is my 66BB with the same HPQ or S-trim wheel.

 

[BlackMetal]

I'm still trying to pick a turbo before the end of the year so I can order with Full Throttle's discount sale.

I'm mainly after killer spool, it's a street car all the way, not so concerned about top end at the track or anything, or losing ten or so HP from turbo to turbo. I want nice spool but not so much that I can't even keep my tires on the pavement.

6152 - 6157 - 6162, I can't decide.

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

I'm still trying to pick a turbo before the end of the year so I can order with Full Throttle's discount sale.

I'm mainly after killer spool, it's a street car all the way, not so concerned about top end at the track or anything, or losing ten or so HP from turbo to turbo. I want nice spool but not so much that I can't even keep my tires on the pavement.

6152 - 6157 - 6162, I can't decide.

What turbo do you have now? I see you have a pats 3200 and a set of 009s, what alky kit is that?

What is limiting you to the 61 series turbos? Do you have a RJC bleeder valve?

BW

 

[BlackMetal]

What turbo do you have now? I see you have a pats 3200 and a set of 009s, what alky kit is that?

What is limiting you to the 61 series turbos? Do you have a RJC bleeder valve?

BW

Stock turbo right now. Razor's Alky. 009s in the car but have a set of 60s waiting to install this spring. Only reason I was settling for this range of turbos is because I'm not looking to strengthen the bottom end right now. For the longest time I was one of the guys drooling over a 6776BB but then figured to get the full potential of that turbo I'd really want a stronger shortblock to go with it. For as little time as I spend driving this car I'm not looking to spend a whole ton of money, just want to get rid of the stock turbo and upgrade to something that takes advantage of the higher stall converter that I threw in. Ballbearing turbo + water/oil lines + enough mods to truly support it, is a little expensive for a car that sits in my garage. It's a nice weekend/carshow cruiser with the occasional blast on the street. Still flowing through the stock intake and heads, started to realize a huge turbo might be overkill at this point. I don't have the RJC valve yet but it's on my shopping list.

 

[Adam Connell]

Now do I keep waiting on the twins kit or throw in a 6162BB?? My tranny is on it's way out and I was going to go with a 2800 stall anyways... Hmmm I hate all of these new choices being thrown at me!

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

Stock turbo right now. Razor's Alky. 009s in the car but have a set of 60s waiting to install this spring. Only reason I was settling for this range of turbos is because I'm not looking to strengthen the bottom end right now. For the longest time I was one of the guys drooling over a 6776BB but then figured to get the full potential of that turbo I'd really want a stronger shortblock to go with it. For as little time as I spend driving this car I'm not looking to spend a whole ton of money, just want to get rid of the stock turbo and upgrade to something that takes advantage of the higher stall converter that I threw in. Ballbearing turbo + water/oil lines + enough mods to truly support it, is a little expensive for a car that sits in my garage. It's a nice weekend/carshow cruiser with the occasional blast on the street. Still flowing through the stock intake and heads, started to realize a huge turbo might be overkill at this point. I don't have the RJC valve yet but it's on my shopping list.

Id shoot for the biggest 61 series turbo with that pats convertor, and then if it doesnt spool fast enough, then put the RJC valve on it. Alot of the times its nice to have some lag so the suspension loads and the car will hook on radials/ drag radials on the street.

My car dropped 6 tenths and gained 7mph in the 1/4 going from the stock turbo to the ta61, your gains should be even more with the PTE version with these new blades.
From the butt dyno, the difference is that heavy chest feeling and your passenger reaching for that oh-sh!t handle!

I agree with you 100% about running a 67 turbo and stock unported heads and intake, there is a fine line there where if you run too big of a turbo, then it doesnt seem to make as much power as the smaller turbo will.

I dont see too many people claiming to run faster with a 67 or 70 vs. a 61 on a mostly stock car running heads and intake never off.

Take it easy
BW

 

[NVRL8]

After talking with Mike at FTSS I went with the GT6157BB. This turbo replaces the 6131, but supports as much HP as the 6152. Fast spooling and works with my stock converter. Should work well with my mods and the fact that the rest of my car is not ready for 10's (nor is my wallet).

 

[BlackMetal]

Id shoot for the biggest 61 series turbo with that pats convertor, and then if it doesnt spool fast enough, then put the RJC valve on it. Alot of the times its nice to have some lag so the suspension loads and the car will hook on radials/ drag radials on the street.

Yeah that's exactly the line I'm trying to walk, killer spool without blowing the tires off. I just don't wanna pay for a bigger turbo and then end up suffering from lag, I hate that feeling. If I did notice poor spool you're right, I could slap the RJC valve in there since that's supposed to help.

So far they have the prices posted for the 6157 but not the 6162 so we'll see.

 

[GNVYUS 1]

Quick6, going from the Ta61 to the BB61 will not compare in spool up like ditching your stock converter for something like a 3200 PTC etc. Those converters are way lighter and are super tight up top. I wouldn't mess with your power combo, you are kicking some ass with that 61 turbo, move on to the tranny and see some 10's.

Adam, going from twins to a 6162BB is night and day in both money and power. You sound like you want the power of a monster single and the spool of two tiny twins, Mike would probably steer you clear on this one. IMO, you sound like a BB67HPQ type of guy, power and good street spool.

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

Quick6, going from the Ta61 to the BB61 will not compare in spool up like ditching your stock converter for something like a 3200 PTC etc. Those converters are way lighter and are super tight up top. I wouldn't mess with your power combo, you are kicking some ass with that 61 turbo, move on to the tranny and see some 10's.

Yeah, but the good PTC convertor that works is like 1000.00 from Dusty isnt it? He sells a nonlockup and a single lockup right?

Everycar that runs a aftermarket convertor vs stock i see looses efficiency unless you spend alot of money on the right convertor.

Currently i have 2 vigilante single discs, 2 9/11, 1 9" non lockup JW out of florida.

They seem to work, but none of them put the power down like that stocker does
I dunno I hate to be a negative nancy about it, if i can keep the stock convertor and tranny combo right, then contact neil chance and get a really tight 2700 - 2900 non lockup stall and see what it will do. Then kick myself in the butt when it doesnt mph as well as the D5.
I told myself i would never rebuild a 2004r again, just jump right into a 400 with a tight convertor.
I guess thats why i want to utilize the BB61 with my stock D5 and then when the tranny poops, get a 400 with a PTC or neil chance tight and efficient convertor.

Thanks for saying it kicks ass:smile: with the 61 turbo
BW

 

[ecna]

Ughhh... one day to go and I still don't know what to do.

I was originally planning on a GT6152 knowing that it was probably a little big for my converter (a "loosened" D5).

Some things are a little vague about my car... I "know" is has 60's, Alky Control. RJC valve and a Mease stock location intercooler as I installed them. Inside "supposedly" has some head porting and a slightly bigger cam, but who really knows.

Now comes along these new turbos.

Should I...

Buy the 6162 as it supposedly replaces the 6152?
Buy the 6157 as it supposedly makes the HP of the 6152 but might be better with the converter?
Buy the 6152 anyway as it's cheaper?

Lastly, since the intercooler has a bigger inlet and I might go with the 4" MAF pipe, would you go with the S cover instead of the E. Are there any fit issues with it?

The car ran 12.20 my the first time out with these parts and some tuning issues. I'd like to run 11.50 without trying super hard.

Thanks,
Eric

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

Ughhh... one day to go and I still don't know what to do.



Should I...

Buy the 6162 as it supposedly replaces the 6152?
Lastly, since the intercooler has a bigger inlet and I might go with the 4" MAF pipe, would you go with the S cover instead of the E. Are there any fit issues with it?



Thanks,
Eric

If you like the look of the 4 inch, and have the money to run a 4inch pipe and reducers for the maf, angle boss for the IAC, then go with the 4 inch setup.

My personal opinion, I dont think it really makes any more power with the 4 inch setup over the 3 inch. There are alot of guys running low 10s with a 3 inch inlet turbo. The 6152 wont get any of these cars down that low anyway.

I would get the 6162, its supposed to spool better and hopefully with your restalled D5 and RJC valve it will come up on boost pretty good. If not, it should hook real well on the streets:biggrin:

Hope you can make up your mind before tomorrow!

BW

 

[Mr.Spool]

ecna, what turbo is on the car right now?and does the car pull strong above 5000 rpm?

 

[ecna]

It's a stocker and it's blowing oil... so something has to change one way or the other

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

Full throttles site is down, has been for the past 45 minutes that i know of.

Hope the site comes back up

BW

 

[BlackMetal]

Full throttles site is down, has been for the past 45 minutes that i know of.

Hope the site comes back up

BW

Yeah I have a feeling those of us who were waiting for the last weekend of the sale are screwed....