Originally posted by JToups386
I wish you could humor us by going and getting an official ET on the car as is, and then one with the 50's installed. I'd be real cursious to see the results.
Oh well, I wish you the best in your project, and look forward to hearing the TRUE results thereof.
Originally posted by TurboDave
I think you misunderstood. I doubt anybody is disputing the fact that just merely adding the 50# injectors is going to gain anything at all. That certainly wasn't my intent. You can't just pour more fuel into the engine without the requisite increase in air volume. Nobody is argueing that fact.
What we are merely trying to do is prevent him from making the same mistake that so many of us have made over the last 15 years or racing these machines.
Injector upgrade after injector upgrade merely amounts to unecessary money being spent.
Moving into the 50's now, will however allow for the inevitable upgrades coming later. You and I both know, they will come. Especially with 11's in mind.
I think this poor mule has been beaten do death.
Originally posted by Two Lane
Very worthwhile thread!
There are TRs running around on the street with 72#s & 83#s with the correct chip...and running fine...in fact, VERY fine!
Today's chip burners are doing some super-work!
These posts cracked me up. Loved the insight I gained by reading the back n forth. Peace to you all.Arghhhh!!! This is getting silly!
TowMan: I was using my carburetor example as a very extreme analogy, to make a point. The whole reason for this was; its extreme nature. I did not mean for anyone to take it literally, and then try to relate the two separate technologies as being "apples to apples".
Good gosh, I suppose I'll just shut up and let you guys do all the suggesting and advising from now on, and keep my facts and opinions to myself. Ohhhhh, wait a minute,,, I just remembered that this forum is designed to do exactly that, share input. Sorry, I take it back and I will probably continue to submit my opinions, and y'all can kick the crap out of me at will, while over analyzing my statements. I'm not a genius! I learn from and find value in hearing everyone's input, unless they display themselves to be one step above a mental mushroom! (and NO, I'm not suggesting any of you fit this description!)
AGAIN, I'm not disputing the general statements you, TurboDave, and others have made. Please hear me, I'm not saying you are wrong! I'm merely suggesting that the kid doesn't need to step up that hugely right now. AGAIN, this is per my approach! Your results may vary!!!
And YES, you are correct that we need to know his end goals, but at the same time, my end goals are to run low 10's, but I darn sure am not going to go out and buy 92# injectors right now, in order to do it 3 years from now. Surely you and the rest can understand that logic?
As for your theory on used injectors, well, you are basically speaking against the credibility and honesty of our tight-knit Buick group, in that, I'm only suggesting buying them from someone within "the family" that is upgrading and therefore can sell their perfectly good "hand-me-downs" to someone that is still growing beneath them. I've bought 2 perfectly good sets of injectors off the Turbo Trader board or other Buick groups over the years, and have no regrets! I thoroughly enjoyed the extra cash left in my pocket! I've bought used turbos, and various other pieces too, with total success. I'm still using the Stage III Cheetah that I bought used off of Turbo Trader in 1997, (for $350), and am only going to sell it to upgrade again. Fuel pumps are a different story, but your talking about a $90 - $100 item there, as opposed to things that range from $300 up. Am I making sense here?
I'll step down and say "fine", buy the 50's at $350+, and do the research to get a chip that you feel will work with them. Just don't imagine what better gains you could've made by spending the same funds in different ways.
Sorry guys, I really did not mean to start a brawl here...