Originally posted by TurboTer
Also, BEFORE I get the injectors, I am getting a 2.75" exhaust with 3" Dynomax mufflers, 3" test pipe, and 3" down pipe. That setup alone (what I'm told at least, correct me if I'm wrong) is good for as much as 40 horsepower. Also BEFORE I get the injectors, I'm getting a Walbro 340 with hotwire kit. I do also plan on getting a TE-44 or TA-49 turbo later in the year. I'd also like a correct GN tranny, as mine is from a Monte SS (not that it doesn't run right, but that kind of 200-R4 is nothing compared to a GN 200-R4). My ultimate goals? I'd like to see 11's, but I realize that is way down the road.
To JToups386: For a while you almost convinced me to axe the idea of the 50 pounders and instead go with a set of 36 pounders, but after reading everyone's opinion, I've decided to go ahead with the 50's. From what I'm told, with the proper chip, they will be very streetable. The PTE 93 chip I'm getting should be more than adaquate for my setup. I'm not saying you are wrong, but it's a chance I will be taking.
To all those who don't know: I'll be getting NEW 50 pounders from a board member, anlong with the following NEW chips: a Red Armstrong 108, a PTE 93, and a PTE 26º race chip. The guy ordered them in March but never put his engine together. He wants $480 shipped (hopefully he can wait until next week, or this topic is basicly for nothing, lol).
Finally, no one answered my original question of how much hp will I gain. This is with the exhaust, injectors, and fuel pump. No gain in power, even with the exhaust?
TurboTer:
Well okay, I appreciate your taking my advice into consideration, even if you chose to do otherwise. We all have to learn in our own ways, and sometimes it does recquire making questionable decisions that may come with regret. Honestly though, I DO hope this works out well for you! I don't think it will hurt.
My original advice was based merely on seeing the my own results, and others like me, with far less injector than 50's. You are smart to plan for growth, but I will continue to debate folks on this board that think one must upgrade so largely to achieve such minimal goals. It's kinda like saying (and I'm being extreme here), that someone should go out and initially buy a 70-1 turbo, because someday they plan to run high 9's or low 10's and they just want to purchase only one turbo ever. There is just no logic to that! Yes, we should build in a "room for growth" factor in our plans, which the 36#'s would readily cover. You however, are planning on buying something that will support 10.70 ET's, which is a HUGE span from the high 12's you are probably currently able to run.
I see used 36#'s for sale all the time on gnttype.org for $200. That's fair to the buyer and seller. What is the benefit you ask? Well, you're about to spend $480, so I see at least a $280 gain right off. That $280 is close to the cost of a good 12" 2800-3000 stall, that would greatly benefit your ET and driving pleasure! There are other options for improvement within that price range too.
I'm simply trying to tell you, that you could easily achieve your goals of 11's, with less injector, cheaper, and with more chip selections, as well as various other improvements. You mentioned getting a turbo upgrade too. Why would you bother with that, when you can't cram much more air through your stock heads and intercooler? The initial key should be to open things up first, (ie ported heads, better IC), and then get the bigger hair dryer to fill them. This is just basic turbo performance logic. I've known many people who went out and bought bigger turbos and applied them to stock headed, stock IC, and stock converter cars, and then wondered why the thing bogged off the line, and runs slower ET's. Hard lesson to learn economically! As mentioned by BlackBuick84 and ScottyB, it's all about the right combination of parts. It's not a Lego set; that you just snap things together until something finally fits and works...
You have stated your general end goals, but I still think your method of achieving them will be hindered (or more costly) by your current game plan, UNLESS money is no issue for you. I've always been a poor man's racer, therefore I've had to try and achieve good results with less $$$. Through some basic, but good decisions, I think I've been able to accomplish this over the years, and after learning sometimes by trial and error.
So, "no", the 50's will probably not slow you down IF the chip is properly tuned for them. This means you will need a chip that was designed with your specific attributes in mind, ie cam size (where it makes its power), head flow ("area under the curve"), stall speed, boost vs. timing, etc, etc...
You will probably see some HP gain through the exhaust, more so if you have an open dump pipe flange, (worth about .2 and 2mph on mine), and also from the added fuel delivery of the Walbro 340. Those were good decisions, and the car will run and sound better too.
However, don't worry so much about overall HP, as it is worth nothing unless it is "area under the curve". Peak HP numbers do not impress me at all! I was only making 327rwhp @ 455rwtq when I ran 11.90's. That ain't a whole lot of peak HP, but when you looked at my dyno curve, it carried that number virtually throughout the entire pull, hence again "area under the curve"!!!
I keep falling back into the injector thoughts...
and have to point out that quite a few people have run mid 11's with far less injector. Hmmmmm, why can't I clear my mind on this?
You also mentioned a SuperSlow Monte transmission being in the car? Does it at least have the proper stall converter? I do not believe the SS came with the same 2400 stall that the TR came with. If it does not, then you have huge gains to make with a converter upgrade right off!!!
I wish you could humor us by going and getting an official ET on the car as is, and then one with the 50's installed. I'd be real cursious to see the results.
Oh well, I wish you the best in your project, and look forward to hearing the TRUE results thereof.
Peace...