I just gotta voice my opinion on the recent locked tech threads

[Project TNX]

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/general-turbo-buick-tech/215061-try-do-something-help-others.html

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/general-turbo-buick-tech/214850-who-wants-stainless-headers.html

I am all for competition and a person making a profit, but don't insult our intelligence by making it look like you're making a paupers wage for our benefit and that's your only reason for going into said venture. Quite frankly I compare that statement to MSNBC saying they released the recent killers tape for our benefit, not ratings, revenues, and to help their failing network.

The headers look nice, seem like they would be priced right, but don't blow smoke up our arses is all I ask. The Mother Teresa act was just too over the top for me, sorry. I want the maximum amount of money for my skillset that I can get, and feel no shame about it, hell I embrace it.


Okay, I'm done.

 

[Nick Micale]

Yeah, I want to voice my opinion too on those threads.

First of all, being a paying vendor on this site, I resent a non-paying, non-supporting, non-vendor pushing an un-proven and untried part that happens to be an off-shore knock off of an exsisting product.

But even worse than that is the irrepairable damage being done to the Buick community.

Yes, owners want a good price, but cost must be evaluated by value received - quality, performance dependability, long lasting, and backed up be reliable customer service and satisifaction.

The "damage" done, is that vendors that invest time, $$$, and effort in developing and bringing new and/or improved products to the market, have to evaluate the "risk" of being copied.

With the Buick market being relatively small, it is hard to sell enough enough products to cover development costs, much less show a profit. The decision then is - develop or not? As more coping becomes prevelant, it is obvious what the decision would be - simply why bother?

 

[NCTURBOS]

I don't understand... Advertising fees for someone who doesn't even have a product to offer yet, no distinct price yet, the R&D not done yet, no orders being taken yet??? I can agree on the fees once the product is available to the public!!

Design/Patent copies?? Anyone ever heard anything like this related to say...... The integral wastegate downpipe?? Seems to be plenty copies of that in the Buick community.

Wow too much typing, deleting, re-typing, I'll stop there. I'm going home!! See you all Monday AM.


K.

 

[Otto J]

I don't understand... Advertising fees for someone who doesn't even have a product to offer yet, no distinct price yet, the R&D not done yet, no orders being taken yet??? I can agree on the fees once the product is available to the public!!


K.

Thats what i thought also

I guess if you express interest in designing a product you need to be a vendors just to see if there is a market

 

[SGRIM]

This is not cool! Please do not turn this into an admin bashing. I just don't get it sometimes

Sometimes things aren't as pretty as they appear..... This is not the first product that has been questioned by this same member. A business is a business no matter how you scratch it.

Is it fair for one vendor to pay and not another? Just because someone claims they are making "just a little bit to cover cost" does that not mean they are a vendor? I don't think anyone is getting rich off of Buicks! So the guy that makes a living providing us parts just supposed to laugh it off when some one post "a very similar" product to theirs at a cut price and not at least have to pay to advertise the same way they do?????

It wouldn't matter if it were Headers or Computers or Ipods. If you want to sale quantities of anything on this board you have to become a supporting vendor plain and simple. We have tried to provide the best Buick board out there and this just happens to be one of the "IN STONE RULES!" That is just being fair and straight across the board. There are no donations on this board or fees.... Vendors pay the bills. We have made it cleary known we do not protect vendor wrong doings but we at least owe them the courtesy to be fair and give them what they pay for!!!

Thanks

Shane

 

[Otto J]

Im not bashing admins,Its just my opinion he didnt come on here and try to sell anything,Just to see if it was worth while to invest his time.

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

Boy howdy... Subscribed to this thread...

BW

 

[ChrisCairns]

Ya know I don't bitch about this site....I appreciate it. But in this instance I think you're wrong Shane.

New products, or their development should be allowed for free. Once developed and offered for sale then you can request vendor fees.

 

[JayC]

The problem with that, especially on this site because of the lax advertising policy before, is that (by your reasoning as to what should be allowed) the guy can post all through the development, keep everyone up to date and then when he's ready to sell, can make a post saying "Well, Im ready to sell" and then tell the site to screw off. At this point, the cat is out of the bag, everyone knows about the guy's products and he can conduct business in private. He's already given ball park prices.. he's already asked about interest. That's conducting business.

I realize that everyone here has their own opinion about the correct way to run a forum. Until you've done it and until you've had to deal with all the BS that goes along with it, you really have no idea what's involved. I dont come to your job and tell you how to do it, I'd appreciate the same courtesy.

 

[SGRIM]

Like I said guys, there is alot of "behind the scenes" stuff you don't see. If you trust us to have turned the board around for the better please trust us on this. This particular situation wasn't as simple as it appeared!

 

[Jerryl]

So, what are the advertising fees anyway? (For S&G )

 

[BEATAV8]

I support the admins 100% on this one.

I also support Nick and TA performance 100%.

Nick, thanks for spending your time and your funds to develop a great product for our old cars. I for one can appreciate the effort. I sincerely hope you come out on top here.

 

[Hot Air 85]

sucks having products ripped off but...

It's kind of futile to fight it...if he wan'ts to produce / sell these headers he can and will...How many here check e-bay for TR parts??? Just takes a well worded description and some good feedback and he'll sell plenty of sets paying advertiser or not.

Free enterprise

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

In the other thread, someone posted that Nicks were a copy of Burrhead racing headers.. Is there any truth to that statement?

I would hate to see anyone think that Nicks were a copy of someone elses headers, can we clear that up NOW before anyone starts bashing a vendor?

Nicks headers are beautiful Very nice setup

BW

 

[corymc]

I wonder why people can advertise their businesses in thier sigs and that is ok. I dont have any problem with what you guys did its your site so run it how you want, im just wondering whats the difference?

 

[JayC]

I wonder why people can advertise their businesses in thier sigs and that is ok. I dont have any problem with what you guys did its your site so run it how you want, im just wondering whats the difference?

There is no difference. When Shane and I took over, that was the first thing I wanted to do away with but met with resistance from the rest of the staff about it. This will be changing in the very near future. Shane and I have had a long conversation about it and within the next few days, hopefully things change.

 

[toofastforyou]

Just a comment...

Although I've read the administrators reply about this subject, let me just say that I totally disagree with them, but that's only my opinion (which probably isn't really important) and not the subject of my reply.
My point is when I read things like "Closing this thread as well. If you start another one, you'll be going on vacation." written by "JayC"...a statement like this coming from the administrators is the equivalent of saying that they will have it their way and that they couldn't care less about the members opinions, making me feel unimportant and unwelcomed. I thought that our views were taken more into account than that, but maybe I was wrong...I'm here to have fun and I do like it here, but it always shock me when I read rude replies like these, especially coming from a site's administrators!...Fortunately for me, these words were not addressed to me!
But again, that is only my opinion...who cares...

Claude
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[JayC]

Although I've read the administrators reply about this subject, let me just say that I totally disagree with them, but that's only my opinion (which probably isn't really important) and not the subject of my reply.
My point is when I read things like "Closing this thread as well. If you start another one, you'll be going on vacation." written by "JayC"...a statement like this coming from the administrators is the equivalent of saying that they will have it their way and that they couldn't care less about the members opinions, making me feel unimportant and unwelcomed. I thought that our views were taken more into account than that, but maybe I was wrong...I'm here to have fun and I do like it here, but it always shock me when I read rude replies like these, especially coming from a site's administrators!...Fortunately for me, these words were not addressed to me!
But again, that is only my opinion...who cares...

Claude
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Were you privy to the private message conversation we had? Again, its easy to sit in judgement when you dont have all the facts and even moreso when you only see half the story.

 

[toofastforyou]

"JayC", yes I admit that I should have read the whole story...but it's just the "harshness" of your reply that surprised me to say the least...Maybe you got carried away a little...it happens to everyone once in a while...Don't worry, I'm not judging you...I was just surprised about the way found to end the discussion so sharply with that guy, that's all...

Claude

 

[broke1]

NICK,IF YOU AND TA DONT WANT COMPETITION MAKE YOUR PRICES REASONABLE.I SUPPOSE ITS NOT ENOUGH THAT YOU HAVE 70% OF THE MARKET,YOU WANT THE WHOLE DAMN THING!!Your product should speak for itself,not your bitching and whining.

Damn Buick vendors are greedy and have had it good for too long Small market with sky high prices SUCK!!

Im adding dude to my sig advertising his headers,I reccomend everyone that wants reasonably priced parts to do the same.