Is racist OK if you are from the far Left?
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Originally posted by ChrisChow
I think calling people dumbass is against the spirit of having a sane disussion. Party foul!
Hey admins. you going to lock this sh&t up or what?
No plans to lock this thread. However, name calling will not be tolerated here, or in any thread. It is easy enough to delete a post if required.
Actually think the opinions voiced here are healthy for all "sides" to be aware of other's point of view.
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Originally posted by broke1
LOL Thats to good.
Me and Chris are starting a SBC Turbo Regals only club.NO V6s allowed.
Great! Do it in NEW thread.
Just out of curiousity why would you not classify a "cajun" as "white"? I am from Louisiana, grew up, born and bred there. Ancestors are French Canadian, i.e. expelled from Novascotia and made their way to Acadia (La.).. I am as "white" as they get as is most every other "cajun/coonass" I grew up with. Now if you are talking about a "Mulato", that is a bird of a different color, pun intended, and NOT to be confused with a Cajun. They, rather, are people from the islands who came to south Louisiana and intermixed.
Also, I really refrained from getting in this conversation, but i have to say, my ancestors owned slaves. Do I own slaves, no. Have I benefitted from their owning slaves, no. I have not inherited or received ANYTHING from them. Why then should my taxes and hard earned dollars go to benefit minority programs, welfare recipients or any other program that "pays back" our "debt" to the black culture? Should I approach Canada about recourse for kicking my ancestors out? No, they didn't kick me out, nor did their doing so to my ancestors effect the ethic with which I try to better myself and my life. I don't need a handout.
When I went to college, I paid 100% retail price and worked the whole time I was there. Why can't there be an organization to benefit me as there is for blacks who need assistance, i.e. the UNCF. I certainly could have used a little help other than typical student loans. Such an organization would by nature be considered "racist". My family is FAR from rich, my father earned everything he has and got NONE of it simply because he is white..
I guess, to make a long story short, my point is that I have to work hard every day as do so many others, both black and white. It is the good for nothing loafs who do nothing but sit around collecting welfare checks and breeding more ingrates on a day to day basis that piss me off. If they want a leg up, tell them to close their legs and go get a ****ing job like the rest of us. The youth of the black culture needs to quit imitating the thugs they see on TV, get a reality check (not a welfare check) and then learn what it means to be a man (i.e. take care of their kids, their families and hold down a job so they can be an ASSET to society and not another liability my taxes pay for.)
I am sure there are many people who have been passed over for positions due to their race, I will not deny it. But, will we EVER get to the point that the black man does not claim he is OWED by the WHITE MAN. Unforntunately, not during my lifetime or my children's.
There's good and bad in every race. The good (no matter the color) deserve the breaks and rewards, the bad deserve a swift kick in the nuts.
I have no problem admitting there are stereotypes (some all too truthful) that I buy into. Call me want you want. I call it like I see it. I also have no problem calling a spade a spade..
The question is, is the spade a useful card in your deck or are they one you'd rather fold??
Also, I really refrained from getting in this conversation, but i have to say, my ancestors owned slaves. Do I own slaves, no. Have I benefitted from their owning slaves, no. I have not inherited or received ANYTHING from them. Why then should my taxes and hard earned dollars go to benefit minority programs, welfare recipients or any other program that "pays back" our "debt" to the black culture? Should I approach Canada about recourse for kicking my ancestors out? No, they didn't kick me out, nor did their doing so to my ancestors effect the ethic with which I try to better myself and my life. I don't need a handout.
When I went to college, I paid 100% retail price and worked the whole time I was there. Why can't there be an organization to benefit me as there is for blacks who need assistance, i.e. the UNCF. I certainly could have used a little help other than typical student loans. Such an organization would by nature be considered "racist". My family is FAR from rich, my father earned everything he has and got NONE of it simply because he is white..
I guess, to make a long story short, my point is that I have to work hard every day as do so many others, both black and white. It is the good for nothing loafs who do nothing but sit around collecting welfare checks and breeding more ingrates on a day to day basis that piss me off. If they want a leg up, tell them to close their legs and go get a ****ing job like the rest of us. The youth of the black culture needs to quit imitating the thugs they see on TV, get a reality check (not a welfare check) and then learn what it means to be a man (i.e. take care of their kids, their families and hold down a job so they can be an ASSET to society and not another liability my taxes pay for.)
I am sure there are many people who have been passed over for positions due to their race, I will not deny it. But, will we EVER get to the point that the black man does not claim he is OWED by the WHITE MAN. Unforntunately, not during my lifetime or my children's.
There's good and bad in every race. The good (no matter the color) deserve the breaks and rewards, the bad deserve a swift kick in the nuts.
I have no problem admitting there are stereotypes (some all too truthful) that I buy into. Call me want you want. I call it like I see it. I also have no problem calling a spade a spade..
The question is, is the spade a useful card in your deck or are they one you'd rather fold??
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1ARUNEM----very good response.
Just out of curiousity why would you not classify a "cajun" as "white"?
--Im not putting a classification on him as not being white or something. When i asked him where was he from and what is your ethnic makeup, he said he was from louisiana and he was "cajun". Then my other friend bigchris proceeded to tell me that "cajuns" are people with a mixture of different ethnic groups within their family or bloodline. Its just that i had never met one perse or really knew too much information about it. When he opened his mouth you would have sworn he came out of the projects of south central.
I am as "white" as they get as is most every other "cajun/coonass" I grew up with. Now if you are talking about a "Mulato", that is a bird of a different color, pun intended, and NOT to be confused with a Cajun. They, rather, are people from the islands who came to south Louisiana and intermixed.
--So what you are saying that he is in fact a "mulatto" and not a "cajun"
--Man it gets weird when people try to put classifications on other people, im learing too many things too fast about this.
Question--Doesnt society have this thing where they say that if you have a certain percentage of black ancestry in you, you are considered black?
Why then should my taxes and hard earned dollars go to benefit minority programs, welfare recipients or any other program that "pays back" our "debt" to the black culture?
--All the programs you mentioned abovet were not designed to only benefit or payback the black culture. They benefit all minority cultures which is defined as cultures who are disadvantaged against the ruling majority because of a different ethnic origin, not volume.
When I went to college, I paid 100% retail price and worked the whole time I was there. Why can't there be an organization to benefit me as there is for blacks who need assistance, i.e. the UNCF.
--The reason why they are still in existence, organizations like you mentioned, is because at one time in us history colored people and peole of different ethnicities, even all women, were not ALLOWED to have an education. This is the reason why you have historically black, hispanic and so on universities. They weren't allowed to be taught, so they rebelled and started there own schools and taught themselves. In doing so they began programs to help specifically colored/different ethnic people b/c no one else would at the time and today still feel that there people are at a disadvantage. It is such a big issues with schools that almost all schools must have a certain percentage of different ethnicities these days, i even think they get incentives for doing that.
The youth of the black culture needs to quit imitating the thugs they see on TV, get a reality check (not a welfare check) and then learn what it means to be a man (i.e. take care of their kids, their families and hold down a job so they can be an ASSET to society and not another liability my taxes pay for.)
--Its not just the youth of the BLACK culture but the youth of ALL CULTURES in america needs a reality check. Not all BLACK families use the government for support, mine didn't. We must face it, the groups of ethnicities that take advantage of our tax payers dollars, include african american, white, asian, hispanic, etc.
But, will we EVER get to the point that the black man does not claim he is OWED by the WHITE MAN. Unforntunately, not during my lifetime or my children's.
--Your right, some people will never let go of the past and will always preach on the same old broken record. I believed that the term used "OWED" does not mean monetary gain or land, but i believe it now means, the equal opportunity to advance.
--From personal experience i can tell you that when i left highschool i recieved a military scholoarship to a historically black univeristy, meaning like 99%. Do you know how long i lasted there, 1 year. The reason is i didnt fit in. Ask yourself, how the hell could this man not fit in? There is no diversity there, some people there think on the same plane, some sing the same tune. Damn it i need diversity, that was probably one of the biggest mistakes i made in my life, b/c it wasted my time.
--All that i believe the black community or any other community for that matter is asking is fairness. If you and i apply for a job with everything being equal except our skin color, that neither one of us is picked b/c the workers at that office are predominately one race, the interviewer is one race, the big boss is one race. I want to be picked b/c they feel firmly that i can do the job based on my qualifications, thats what people are fighting for these days, not money.
laterSS
Just out of curiousity why would you not classify a "cajun" as "white"?
--Im not putting a classification on him as not being white or something. When i asked him where was he from and what is your ethnic makeup, he said he was from louisiana and he was "cajun". Then my other friend bigchris proceeded to tell me that "cajuns" are people with a mixture of different ethnic groups within their family or bloodline. Its just that i had never met one perse or really knew too much information about it. When he opened his mouth you would have sworn he came out of the projects of south central.
I am as "white" as they get as is most every other "cajun/coonass" I grew up with. Now if you are talking about a "Mulato", that is a bird of a different color, pun intended, and NOT to be confused with a Cajun. They, rather, are people from the islands who came to south Louisiana and intermixed.
--So what you are saying that he is in fact a "mulatto" and not a "cajun"
--Man it gets weird when people try to put classifications on other people, im learing too many things too fast about this.
Question--Doesnt society have this thing where they say that if you have a certain percentage of black ancestry in you, you are considered black?
Why then should my taxes and hard earned dollars go to benefit minority programs, welfare recipients or any other program that "pays back" our "debt" to the black culture?
--All the programs you mentioned abovet were not designed to only benefit or payback the black culture. They benefit all minority cultures which is defined as cultures who are disadvantaged against the ruling majority because of a different ethnic origin, not volume.
When I went to college, I paid 100% retail price and worked the whole time I was there. Why can't there be an organization to benefit me as there is for blacks who need assistance, i.e. the UNCF.
--The reason why they are still in existence, organizations like you mentioned, is because at one time in us history colored people and peole of different ethnicities, even all women, were not ALLOWED to have an education. This is the reason why you have historically black, hispanic and so on universities. They weren't allowed to be taught, so they rebelled and started there own schools and taught themselves. In doing so they began programs to help specifically colored/different ethnic people b/c no one else would at the time and today still feel that there people are at a disadvantage. It is such a big issues with schools that almost all schools must have a certain percentage of different ethnicities these days, i even think they get incentives for doing that.
The youth of the black culture needs to quit imitating the thugs they see on TV, get a reality check (not a welfare check) and then learn what it means to be a man (i.e. take care of their kids, their families and hold down a job so they can be an ASSET to society and not another liability my taxes pay for.)
--Its not just the youth of the BLACK culture but the youth of ALL CULTURES in america needs a reality check. Not all BLACK families use the government for support, mine didn't. We must face it, the groups of ethnicities that take advantage of our tax payers dollars, include african american, white, asian, hispanic, etc.
But, will we EVER get to the point that the black man does not claim he is OWED by the WHITE MAN. Unforntunately, not during my lifetime or my children's.
--Your right, some people will never let go of the past and will always preach on the same old broken record. I believed that the term used "OWED" does not mean monetary gain or land, but i believe it now means, the equal opportunity to advance.
--From personal experience i can tell you that when i left highschool i recieved a military scholoarship to a historically black univeristy, meaning like 99%. Do you know how long i lasted there, 1 year. The reason is i didnt fit in. Ask yourself, how the hell could this man not fit in? There is no diversity there, some people there think on the same plane, some sing the same tune. Damn it i need diversity, that was probably one of the biggest mistakes i made in my life, b/c it wasted my time.
--All that i believe the black community or any other community for that matter is asking is fairness. If you and i apply for a job with everything being equal except our skin color, that neither one of us is picked b/c the workers at that office are predominately one race, the interviewer is one race, the big boss is one race. I want to be picked b/c they feel firmly that i can do the job based on my qualifications, thats what people are fighting for these days, not money.
laterSS
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To conclude.
Life is a game. You must where the correct uniform and play by the rules. You can't weight 98lbs and expect to be a pro football player. If you walk into a business for an interview you need the suit, and you need to speak properly. Whatever you do off the field or outside that business shouldn't matter.
America is as "equal" as it is ever going to get. Equality is what the African American Leaders were fighting for. You got it! But it seems as if todays Black Leaders want more. When will it stop?
Right now in my state there is a fight going on with the State Troopers. It seems that more white males are getting the job over blacks. Moaning and crying insued, and it was looked into. It was found that ALL men were given the SAME exact test. The majority of whites passed, while the majority of minorities, with blacks on the top of that list, failed.
They were given the same test, sounds like "equality" to me. The problem should have stopped there, but not in todays America. More crying, and the Police department decided to do something about it. They changed the test and made it easier for the minorities, they failed. They changed it again, they failed. They changed it once more and finally a nice number passed. Now this causes even more problems. Because the whole "equality" thing is now gone and the Whites are being screwed. Now the whites are sueing the police because they are being passed over by a minority who passed an easier test and who isn't as qualified.
When does it stop?
A recent example of my 2 roads comment.
A 23yr old african american male shot in my area while sitting in his car with a friend. This male was arrested at the age of 16 and then again at the age of 20 for shooting someone. He wore a rolex, drove a Mercedes, dressed nice, carried a gun and did who knows what else. However, he got those nice things the wrong way. He had a choice just like everyone else. And instead of staying in school and achieving those nice things someday by earning it, he went about it the wrong way. And someone caught up to him, and ended his life, in revenge for a shooting he commited years earlier.
We all have a chance, choose wisely.
Life is a game. You must where the correct uniform and play by the rules. You can't weight 98lbs and expect to be a pro football player. If you walk into a business for an interview you need the suit, and you need to speak properly. Whatever you do off the field or outside that business shouldn't matter.
America is as "equal" as it is ever going to get. Equality is what the African American Leaders were fighting for. You got it! But it seems as if todays Black Leaders want more. When will it stop?
Right now in my state there is a fight going on with the State Troopers. It seems that more white males are getting the job over blacks. Moaning and crying insued, and it was looked into. It was found that ALL men were given the SAME exact test. The majority of whites passed, while the majority of minorities, with blacks on the top of that list, failed.
They were given the same test, sounds like "equality" to me. The problem should have stopped there, but not in todays America. More crying, and the Police department decided to do something about it. They changed the test and made it easier for the minorities, they failed. They changed it again, they failed. They changed it once more and finally a nice number passed. Now this causes even more problems. Because the whole "equality" thing is now gone and the Whites are being screwed. Now the whites are sueing the police because they are being passed over by a minority who passed an easier test and who isn't as qualified.
When does it stop?
A recent example of my 2 roads comment.
A 23yr old african american male shot in my area while sitting in his car with a friend. This male was arrested at the age of 16 and then again at the age of 20 for shooting someone. He wore a rolex, drove a Mercedes, dressed nice, carried a gun and did who knows what else. However, he got those nice things the wrong way. He had a choice just like everyone else. And instead of staying in school and achieving those nice things someday by earning it, he went about it the wrong way. And someone caught up to him, and ended his life, in revenge for a shooting he commited years earlier.
We all have a chance, choose wisely.
Because their leadership has sold them out
That is where I believe the heart of the problem is for Blacks in America today. And it all goes back to the election of President Johnson being due to the support given by Black leaders turning out the votes.
From that point forward they have sold their independence to their new bosses in the Democratic Party. And that is where the true racism is, the racism that belives Blacks can't do any better. That's just way it is and the Democratic Party has the compassion to care for them.
Its not their fault that most Black children are raised by working mothers with no dad in their life.
Its not their fault that young Black males start falling behind in the lower grades and then don't graduate. Check the graduation rate for young Black males in any major metro area and it is just a sin on our country. But the young Black women do graduate.
Its not their fault that they don't have skills when they apply for college or a job. But aren't Black women the fastest growing segment in post secondary education?
Its not their fault so many are in jail or on probation.
Its not their fault that so many have lost the privilege to vote. Check the percentage of Black males who are disenfrancised in Richmond, VA right now, today. We are talking about a 1/4 of the total Black poplulation of the city has lost their vote.
Its not their fault that so many are now infected with the AIDS virus.
Sold their independence to the Democratic party that never expects them to do any better. In return the Democratic party has provided billions in targeted support programs. Programs that never have a requirement for improvement.
What leadership positions have the Democratic bosses allowed the Congressional Black Caucus to hold? The only one I am currently aware of is the Judicial commitees where it is useful to have someone of color to block the minority candidates presented by the Republicans. Where else do the Democratic bosses give any power to the Caucus, except when they are needed to attack Republicans?
That is where I believe the heart of the problem is for Blacks in America today. And it all goes back to the election of President Johnson being due to the support given by Black leaders turning out the votes.
From that point forward they have sold their independence to their new bosses in the Democratic Party. And that is where the true racism is, the racism that belives Blacks can't do any better. That's just way it is and the Democratic Party has the compassion to care for them.
Its not their fault that most Black children are raised by working mothers with no dad in their life.
Its not their fault that young Black males start falling behind in the lower grades and then don't graduate. Check the graduation rate for young Black males in any major metro area and it is just a sin on our country. But the young Black women do graduate.
Its not their fault that they don't have skills when they apply for college or a job. But aren't Black women the fastest growing segment in post secondary education?
Its not their fault so many are in jail or on probation.
Its not their fault that so many have lost the privilege to vote. Check the percentage of Black males who are disenfrancised in Richmond, VA right now, today. We are talking about a 1/4 of the total Black poplulation of the city has lost their vote.
Its not their fault that so many are now infected with the AIDS virus.
Sold their independence to the Democratic party that never expects them to do any better. In return the Democratic party has provided billions in targeted support programs. Programs that never have a requirement for improvement.
What leadership positions have the Democratic bosses allowed the Congressional Black Caucus to hold? The only one I am currently aware of is the Judicial commitees where it is useful to have someone of color to block the minority candidates presented by the Republicans. Where else do the Democratic bosses give any power to the Caucus, except when they are needed to attack Republicans?
Let this thought pervade-A country ruled by whites at one time condoned slavery. That same country, still controlled by whites, outlawed slavery. The initial shouldve never happened-but look at the glass as half full.
Otherwise I need to lay down some biology differences/facts between the races-It leaves each race humbled and or proud at the same time. Guess who has the most testosterone?
I may do it later.
Otherwise I need to lay down some biology differences/facts between the races-It leaves each race humbled and or proud at the same time. Guess who has the most testosterone?
I may do it later.
