Least inexpensive way to get my car in the mid 11s

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

Steve,

List every little thing you have on your car, EVERYTHING, and we'll add it all up? Yes, labor adds a lot of $$$ if you can't, say, build a 200-4R yourself. And of course if you took any shortcuts that compromise reliability, like using a single pump at your performance level, those would be good to point up.

strike

Lots of guys running LOW LOW LOW 10s on 1 single pump and methanol here lately.

Why the sour note buddy?

BW

 

[Steve]

Steve,

List every little thing you have on your car, EVERYTHING, and we'll add it all up? Yes, labor adds a lot of $$$ if you can't, say, build a 200-4R yourself. And of course if you took any shortcuts that compromise reliability, like using a single pump at your performance level, those would be good to point up.

strike

My car is a well kept very nice 70K mile car and I would sell the enitre car for $15,500 so that should tell you I don't have a truck load of money in it. I just bought what was required and watched my money. My car still has a stock MAF, stock throttle body and stock unported intake. My engine is fresh and has a Eagle crank, forged pistons, center steel billet mains and all ARP fasteners. My 200r4 was built by me and a buddy(who had never built a 200R4, but did have some trans expereince) and we built it using the CK Performance book. I do have $1800 total in the trans and converter(converter was $900) and it does have the billet hard parts in it. It has been together for 1.5 years so far and has worked flawlessly-knock on wood. My car does have a single 340 pump which I don't consider a shortcut when running alky. Grumpy has gone 10.10 @ 13x with a single 340 and Razor has gone mid 10's with a single others have done it also. The savings on a single 340 verus a double pumper set up was enough to pay for my alky set up. My intercooler is a PTE FM. I bought the intercooler alone for $250 with no pipes. I made my own pipes using stainless bends from Ebay and the T-bolts clamps and couplers came from Ebay also. Total costs was about $400 into the PTE intercooler with polished stainless piping. My point is you had to be wise shopper not to end up with a ton of money in any hot rod type of car. I saved about $450 on the intercooler by taking my time and doing some of the work my self and no loss of qaulity. That more than paid for the forged crank and billet mains with my savings.

 

[strikeeagle]

Lots of guys running LOW LOW LOW 10s on 1 single pump and methanol here lately.

Why the sour note buddy?

BW

"My GN run 11s on beer money" is urban myth spawned years ago by guys whose build-ups consisted of borrowed slicks, C16, a crushed FPR, a DIY adjustable wastegate actuator, a paper clip and a chip with way too much timing, with which they launched off the e-brake at 15 PSI, and ran 30 PSI, until one day they doubtless drove over the crank. It is perpetuated by TR owners who want brand x'ers to believe that our cars are "supernatural" and defy the laws of horsepower and economics.

When you look into it, guys have way more in their cars than they even remember, let alone credit. Of course, if you get everything for free, including labor, or half-ass your build-up so that it grenades on your next pass, anything's possible.

strike

 

[strikeeagle]

My car is a well kept very nice 70K mile car and I would sell the enitre car for $15,500 so that should tell you I don't have a truck load of money in it. I just bought what was required and watched my money. My car still has a stock MAF, stock throttle body and stock unported intake. My engine is fresh and has a Eagle crank, forged pistons, center steel billet mains and all ARP fasteners. My 200r4 was built by me and a buddy(who had never built a 200R4, but did have some trans expereince) and we built it using the CK Performance book. I do have $1800 total in the trans and converter(converter was $900) and it does have the billet hard parts in it. It has been together for 1.5 years so far and has worked flawlessly-knock on wood. My car does have a single 340 pump which I don't consider a shortcut when running alky. Grumpy has gone 10.10 @ 13x with a single 340 and Razor has gone mid 10's with a single others have done it also. The savings on a single 340 verus a double pumper set up was enough to pay for my alky set up. My intercooler is a PTE FM. I bought the intercooler alone for $250 with no pipes. I made my own pipes using stainless bends from Ebay and the T-bolts clamps and couplers came from Ebay also. Total costs was about $400 into the PTE intercooler with polished stainless piping. My point is you had to be wise shopper not to end up with a ton of money in any hot rod type of car. I saved about $450 on the intercooler by taking my time and doing some of the work my self and no loss of qaulity. That more than paid for the forged crank and billet mains with my savings.

I think you just made my point? You have more in your car than I have in mine, and I know I have $10K in mine. Could I do without some of it? Probably? Would I and feel good about it? Hell no.

strike

 

[KevinB]

Here's what got me low 11's
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/time-slip-combo-database/205748-11-18-119-7-unopened-engine.html

It was pretty cheap b/c I shopped around for used parts. The only part that was pricey was the tranny, but it was overkill.

 

[Steve]

I think you just made my point? You have more in your car than I have in mine, and I know I have $10K in mine. Could I do without some of it? Probably? Would I and feel good about it? Hell no.

strike

What part of "I don't have $10k in mine" don't you understand. Just becasue you have a ton on money and yours and it apparently doesn't tun very good don't be hostile towards everyone else. Throwing parts at any car wont make it fast. It the combo and the tuning. Just because you can't get your act together doesn't mean you should accuse others of lying.

 

[TampaTurbo]

Neat trick I learned from an old man,

A little shoe polish on the window and BINGO 11.02.

Your the man.

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

"My GN run 11s on beer money" is urban myth spawned years ago by guys whose build-ups consisted of slicks, C16, a crushed FPR, a DIY adjustable wastegate actuator, a paper clip and a chip with way too much timing, with which they launched off the e-brake at 15 PSI, and ran 30 PSI, until one day they doubtless drove over the crank. It is perpetuated by TR owners who want brand x'ers to believe that our cars are "supernatural" and defy the laws of horsepower and economics.

When you look into it, guys have way more in their cars than they even remember, let alone credit. Of course, if you get everything for free, including labor, or half-ass your build-up so that it grenades on your next pass, anything's possible.

strike

Your so full of yourself that you dont even want to join the DOTC club man, i cant believe you dont want to try it.

Where have you been here lately, everyone else has been running 11s with simple mods on single pumps and radials
BW

 

[strikeeagle]

What part of "I don't have $10k in mine" don't you understand. Just becasue you have a ton on money and yours and it apparently doesn't tun very good don't be hostile towards everyone else. Throwing parts at any car wont make it fast. It the combo and the tuning. Just because you can't get your act together doesn't mean you should accuse others of lying.

Steve,

What the hell do u know about me or my car? Fine, your car costs peanuts and you're a genius - good 4 u!

Out...

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

Steve,

What the hell do u know about me or my car? Fine, your car costs peanuts and you're a genius - good 4 u!

Out...

Thats the easy way, c'mon we are just talking here... Lets hear what you have acomplished and what would you do if you were on a budget

BW

 

[KevinB]

I'd like to add something.....


When my car ran 11's on the cheap...I spent more time down than running. Always broke stuff.

For my current build, I spent the money where it was needed. IE built 9" rearend, th400, big driveshaft, DFI w/wbo2 correction, all forged engine, etc, etc.

The difference is my car is a lot faster now than it used to be (9's ) and the only thing that went wrong this year is the tired th400 I am running need to be freshened up. I have also put over 80 passes on it this year, all high 9, low 10's. Hell, I wore out a set of slicks I bought in the spring...never did that before in one year

 

[Steve]

Steve,

What the hell do u know about me or my car? Fine, your car costs peanuts and you're a genius - good 4 u!

Out...

Thanks, I try
I know you are pretty hostile towards anyone who says that car has decent performance without costing a ton so that seems like a sore spot. I know you basically called me liar and you claimed you spent $10K to get into the 11's. I know that $10K to get into the mid 11's isn't a very good deal to say the least.

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

I think he thought i was going to be upset with his cheapshot about high timing and high b oobst to make my car go slowwww...

C'mon, were just out here to have a good time, talk with us and dont piss on the hot fire.

BW

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

I'd like to add something.....


When my car ran 11's on the cheap...I spent more time down than running. Always broke stuff.

For my current build, I spent the money where it was needed. IE built 9" rearend, th400, big driveshaft, DFI w/wbo2 correction, all forged engine, etc, etc.

The difference is my car is a lot faster now than it used to be (9's ) and the only thing that went wrong this year is the tired th400 I am running need to be freshened up. I have also put over 80 passes on it this year, all high 9, low 10's. Hell, I wore out a set of slicks I bought in the spring...never did that before in one year

You know we think your car is badd ass, going from low 11s to 9s in one quick sweep is sahweeeet

BW

 

[KevinB]

You know we think your car is badd ass, going from low 11s to 9s in one quick sweep is sahweeeet

BW

Thanks man! I'm still running that double pumper I got from ya

I wanted to run some quicker times when it got cooler out, but unfortunately the car is out for the year Of all things, I hit a freaking deer on the way home from the track I guess thats what you get for not using a trailer.

 

[strikeeagle]

Thanks, I try
I know you are pretty hostile towards anyone who says that car has decent performance without costing a ton so that seems like a sore spot. I know you basically called me liar and you claimed you spent $10K to get into the 11's. I know that $10K to get into the mid 11's isn't a very good deal to say the least.

Steve,

First, form a complete sentence? Oh, and ;,.? are called punctuation. P-u-n-c-t-u-a-t-i-o-n. It assists comprehension. C-o-m-p-r-e-h-e-n-s-i-o-n. Use them?

Where did I say a car can't have, "decent performance without costing a ton"? (Hint - don't look back, I didn't.)

Where did I say I spent, "$10K to get into the 11's"? (Hint - don't look back, I didn't.)

Where did I say anything about, "mid 11's"? (Hint - don't look back, I didn't.)

My experience is that it costs about $10K to build a reliable low 11 second TR. Since I made good choices and paid the going rate, I'm not inventing anything here. You got parts on the cheap. You performed your own labor. And if you're like just about everyone else, you probably forgot half of what you have in your car - it's human nature.

The fact is, I don't care about what you did or what you spent. I just don't. Your posts speak for themselves. And if you want to spread your opinion that unless you're an idiot such performance is cheap and easy, that's really your business, even if it's a disservice to people who don't know any better.

That's really all now.

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

Steve,

First, form a complete sentence? Oh, and ;,.? are called punctuation. P-u-n-c-t-u-a-t-i-o-n. It assists comprehension. C-o-m-p-r-e-h-e-n-s-i-o-n. Use them?

Where did I say a car can't have, "decent performance without costing a ton"? (Hint - don't look back, I didn't.)

Where did I say I spent, "$10K to get into the 11's"? (Hint - don't look back, I didn't.)

Where did I say anything about, "mid 11's"? (Hint - don't look back, I didn't.)

My experience is that it costs about $10K to build a reliable low 11 second TR. Since I made good choices and paid the going rate, I'm not inventing anything here. You got parts on the cheap. You performed your own labor. And if you're like just about everyone else, you probably forgot half of what you have in your car - it's human nature.

The fact is, I don't care about what you did or what you spent. I just don't. Your posts speak for themselves. And if you want to spread your opinion that unless you're an idiot such performance is cheap and easy, that's really your business, even if it's a disservice to people who don't know any better.

That's really all now.

We waited that long for the above post

BW

 

[strikeeagle]

We waited that long for the above post

BW

"Well you wouldn't even know a diamond if you held it in your hand."

Steely Dan

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

"Well you wouldn't even know a diamond if you held it in your hand."

Steely Dan

You a big fan of Steely Dan?

Here ya go big stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqVtM1hax7Y

Thought it was funny, LOL

BW

 

[Steve]

Steve,

First, form a complete sentence? Oh, and ;,.? are called punctuation. P-u-n-c-t-u-a-t-i-o-n. It assists comprehension. C-o-m-p-r-e-h-e-n-s-i-o-n. Use them?

Where did I say a car can't have, "decent performance without costing a ton"? (Hint - don't look back, I didn't.)

Where did I say I spent, "$10K to get into the 11's"? (Hint - don't look back, I didn't.)

Where did I say anything about, "mid 11's"? (Hint - don't look back, I didn't.)

My experience is that it costs about $10K to build a reliable low 11 second TR. Since I made good choices and paid the going rate, I'm not inventing anything here. You got parts on the cheap. You performed your own labor. And if you're like just about everyone else, you probably forgot half of what you have in your car - it's human nature.

The fact is, I don't care about what you did or what you spent. I just don't. Your posts speak for themselves. And if you want to spread your opinion that unless you're an idiot such performance is cheap and easy, that's really your business, even if it's a disservice to people who don't know any better.

That's really all now.

Just becasue your cars runs sub-par to what other's cars do doesn't mean you have to start with the personal attacks. I think your over inflated costs to build a car is just as much as a disservice to potentail turbo Buick builders as much as anything else. Just because you can't do your own work and over pay for things doesn't mean that others should do the same. I know how much I have in my car. I sold my last car and put the money in a seperate bank account. I bought this WE4 with a bad motor and turned it into a 10 second car. I added no more money to the account and I know how much is left therefore I know exactly how much I invested and it was less than $10K after the purchase price of the car and I started with a car that didn't run. I still have a lot of tuning to do because it has plenty left in it. I have long way to go to catch to Grumpy and he has a similar build with similar parts.