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Just to let others know if they are having same problem. My BLM's were around 110-112@idle. Plugs were getting loaded up. I had installed a translator and 3.5" ls1 MAF. I had changed the settings to 3.5 MAF -10% lean but it didnt help.

After adjusting fuel and other things I decided to set the translator to a 3" MAF at -10% fuel. It brought my BLM's to 127 @ idle. I dont know why it fixed it but I am not complaining.

Hope this helps someone who is trying to raise BLM's.


Could someone explain why the 3" setting is making a difference?
 
Hard to say really, almost anything. Maybe a slight mis-calibration in the MAF, and if the screens are removed from these new GM mafs they operate outside their normal calibration perameters. Sometimes requires the Translator to be set to a different type.
 
Did you PM me about this awhile back? Yeah I did this about a year or 2 ago, and have posted about it a few times. A search would have saved you some time. It worked for me, but I eventually went back to the stock MAF and love it. Runs much better than the translator and LS1 or LT1 MAF ever did.
I think the difference may lie in just that...its either an LT1 MAF or an LS1 MAF. The settings for one may be totally different than the other. Mine is a 3.5" one, but the 3.5 setting had me struggling with a rich idle condition for about 2 years.
 
Yeah I PM'ed you months back about this. Look at the date on this thread. It has been a while since I did that. RUQWNF27 dug up this old thread. Thats why I wrote it so maybe it would help someone else out. You were the one that showed me what to do. I read what u did in one of your old posts.

And I still dont know why it works better with a 3" setting??:confused:
 
And I still dont know why it works better with a 3" setting??:confused:

Like I said in that last post, I think it may have something to do with the translator being set up for LS1 MAF's, and some of us end up with LT1 MAF's. Similar, but perhaps not the same.
 
Like I said in that last post, I think it may have something to do with the translator being set up for LS1 MAF's, and some of us end up with LT1 MAF's. Similar, but perhaps not the same.

Translators aren't just setup for LS1 MAF's, they have settings for both LS1 and LT1. Plus a lot more now days. And the GenII goes many steps past even that.
 
Translators aren't just setup for LS1 MAF's, they have settings for both LS1 and LT1. Plus a lot more now days. And the GenII goes many steps past even that.

My translator only showed 3.5" and 3" settings. Not LS1 and LT1.
 
I am way behind on technology with my car, but what is BLMs? My car is almost completely stock and I do not have a scanmaster yet, is this something I should be concerned with?
 
I am way behind on technology with my car, but what is BLMs? My car is almost completely stock and I do not have a scanmaster yet, is this something I should be concerned with?

Nothing you can concern yourself with if you don't have a scantool of any type to monitor them with.
BLM (block learn multipier) is a method that the ECM uses to correct fuel delivery based on various inputs, primarilly O2 inputs.
 
First off, they didnt make a 3.5" LT1 MAF? I could swear they did.??
LBNJWE4- Yeah, BLM's are pretty important. Its basically long term fuel trim and INT (Integrator) is short term fuel trim. The BLM (block learn multiplier) starts out right in the middle between 0 and 255, which is 128. Say the o2 sensor senses that you are running rich 10%, so the computer will reduce fueling 10% and the BLM will drop. But it pegs out at 90, so if you see it hit 90, then you're running pretty rich and if it keeps pegging 90, the check engine light will come on.
The integrator is more or less the same thing, but it updates much faster. The computer will average out a given number of integrator frames in X amount of time and give you the BLM number. All this stuff is updating very fast.
My BLM's used to be all screwed up but after ALOT of work, my cruising BLM's are usually at 128-130, which is closer than 1% within perfect fuel trim, meaning the computer isnt having to adjust for any out of whack problems.
Get a scanmaster and all the new sensors, hoses, plugs, plug wires etc that you can afford, read up on gnttype.org and get your TR running right. Hopefully you have an adjustable fuel pressure regulator as well...you're going to need that.
 
Thanks VadersV6, I was going to make an appointment to have my trans flushed and brakelines changed this weekend, and my gas tank just started leaking. I have alot of work to do but a scanmaster is definetaly priority before I do serious driving with it. It's been sitting for 10 years so I already replaced alot of the rubber on the car and a new radiator.
 
Thanks VadersV6, I was going to make an appointment to have my trans flushed and brakelines changed this weekend, and my gas tank just started leaking. I have alot of work to do but a scanmaster is definetaly priority before I do serious driving with it. It's been sitting for 10 years so I already replaced alot of the rubber on the car and a new radiator.

They have tar patches you can use for the gas tank. Real quick and easy and you should be able to get it at Kragen or Autozone.
 
First off, they didnt make a 3.5" LT1 MAF? I could swear they did.??
LBNJWE4- Yeah, BLM's are pretty important. Its basically long term fuel trim and INT (Integrator) is short term fuel trim. The BLM (block learn multiplier) starts out right in the middle between 0 and 255, which is 128. Say the o2 sensor senses that you are running rich 10%, so the computer will reduce fueling 10% and the BLM will drop. But it pegs out at 90, so if you see it hit 90, then you're running pretty rich and if it keeps pegging 90, the check engine light will come on.
The integrator is more or less the same thing, but it updates much faster. The computer will average out a given number of integrator frames in X amount of time and give you the BLM number. All this stuff is updating very fast.
My BLM's used to be all screwed up but after ALOT of work, my cruising BLM's are usually at 128-130, which is closer than 1% within perfect fuel trim, meaning the computer isnt having to adjust for any out of whack problems.
Get a scanmaster and all the new sensors, hoses, plugs, plug wires etc that you can afford, read up on gnttype.org and get your TR running right. Hopefully you have an adjustable fuel pressure regulator as well...you're going to need that.

You and I both know how important they are, MY point was that since he doesn't have a scan tool, it isn't going to do him much good to be everly concerned about them at this point...

I guess I could have posted my article on BLM, but without a scan tool to monitor them.....
 
Oh what the heck, I'll post it anyway. Sure hope the table doesn't get discombobulated:

Introduction
In a nutshell, the Block Learn Multiplier (BLM) is the long term fuel adjustment that the ECM "learns" to keep the air/fuel ratio within acceptable parameters. The Integrator is the same idea, only for short term adjustments. Basically, these two strategies are used to make adjustments and adaptations to the ever changing loads, atmospheric conditions, and fuel quality to keep the car's air/fuel ratio correct for driveability and emissions.
Also, keep in mind that when we say Long Term or Short Term, we are talking in computer time, not human time. In our ECM the Long Term fuel adjustment (BLM) happens about twice per second, while the Short Term fuel adjustment (INT) happens about 20 times per second
What are "Cells"?

The fuel delivery strategy uses a two dimensional table that has four rows and four columns, for a total of 16 "cells". Each cell contains a Block Learn Multiplier (BLM) value (from 0 to 255), which represents a long-term fuel correction based on that cell's operating conditions over a relatively long period of time. Each BLM value in turn contains an integrator value (also from 0 to 255), which is a short term fuel correction based on immediate operating conditions. For both the Integrator and BLM values, a higher value represents a correction that adds fuel to the fuel mixture, due to higher injector pulse widths.
MAF / RPM 0-800 rpm 800-1100 rpm 1100-1500rpm 1500 +rpm
0 – 9 GPS Cell 0 Cell 1 Cell 2 Cell 3
9 – 20 GPS Cell 4 Cell 5 Cell 6 Cell 7
20 – 30 GPS Cell 8 Cell 9 Cell 10 Cell 11
30 - + GPS Cell 12 Cell 13 Cell 14 Cell 15
The table above depicts the BLM cell table that is held in the typical Turbo Regal ECM. As you can see, it is offset by rpm in the columns, and by airflow in the rows. The individual cells are numbered 0 through 15 (for a total of 16 cells). So, the cell being accessed at any given point in time is controlled by airflow versus rpm.
Let's take a few "for instances". Let's say the car is sitting in the driveway in Park, up to temperature, and just idling. In that case:
• RPM = 750
• MAF = 6
Since the RPM is very low and the MAF is very low, the car will be using the information in BLM Cell 0 to adjust the idle fuel mixture. The value contained in that cell is adjusted with the Integrator values (which change based on O2 readings, etc.).
Now, let’s go for a typical highway cruise, at about 65mph, on a nice flat road:
• RPM = 1800
• MAF = 22
Since the RPM is above the highest value in the column to the right, and the MAF is reading a value in the “third” row, we can see that the ECM is now accessing, and using the BLM value in cell 11. Cruise conditions will often move between cells 7 and 11 based on small changes in MAF, since the typical highway cruise value is between 15 and 25.
Typically when you pull away from a stop sign or traffic light in fairly normal circumstances, you’ll see that it takes only a second or so for the RPM to jump over the 1500 upper RPM limit, and the MAF (air flow) will very easily jump up over the 30 gps upper MAF limit. In this example the ECM will be using cell 15 (sometimes erroneously called the WOT cell) (WOT meaning Wide Open Throttle).
OK, So what's the BLM DO?

The BLM is a long term adjustment , which is stored pretty much permanently (unless you disconnect power to the ECM), to the fuel delivery calibration that results from the ECM "learning" the values while you are driving around. 128 is the ideal value, because it is the center point of the range 0-255. Above 128, and the ECM is adding fuel to compensate for a lean condition at a particular load and RPM. Below 128, and it represents a correction for a rich condition.
How does the Integrator play into this?
On a cold start the INT is set to 128 and kept there until the coolant reaches a threshold value, a timer says the engine has been running long enough, and the O2 sensor has warmed up and started responding. The ECM then sets the closed loop flag, which meansthat if other conditions are met (not in PE, DE, or DEFCO modes, primarily) the ECM uses the O2 sensor to control the INT. It adds to the INT in small increments until the O2 voltage goes above a threshold so the ECM knows the engine is now rich, then it starts subtracting from the INT until the O2 voltage goes below another threshold and the engine is lean. The ECM keeps cycling the INT, trying to keep the time spent rich equal to the time spent lean so it knows that the average is stoichiometric. If other conditions are met then the learn control flag is set and the ECM keeps a moving average of the INT values. If this average is not 128, it will add or subtract to the current BLM value to move the INT average towards 128. This is done a few times a second, without the INT ever having to get to an extreme value such as 90 or 150. The stock BLM range is 105 to 150, but even if the BLM has reached one of these limits the ECM is still able to keep the engine averaging stoichiometric so long as the INT is not also at a limit. For example, the BLM could be 150 and the INT ranging between 135 and 145.
If you have a scan tool or Direct Scan you can watch this process. The ALDL update rate will keep you from seeing all of the INT values but you will still see the long-term trends. Start the engine and let it warm up so that learn mode is enabled, then pull the vacuum hose off of the fuel pressure regulator. The fuel pressure will jump up 4-7 psi and the engine will go rich. The INT will drop below 128 and go down until the engine finally goes lean or a limit is reached, and will then go up and down over a range of maybe 10-20 units as the ECM keeps the engine bouncing between rich and lean, and the BLM will start dropping. As it does, the average INT will rise back to 128. Once the INT average is 128 the BLM will stop changing. Put the vacuum hose back on, the fuel pressure will drop, the engine will go lean, and the mirror image of the above will occur. The INT will rise, start bouncing up and down, the BLM will rise, and the INT average will eventually reach 128 and the BLM will stop changing again.
Summary
BLM values are divided in to "Cells" based on MAF vs. RPM. Within each cell, there typically values from 105-150 for the BLM. Within the BLM value, there are Integrator values, typically 105-150 also.
The Integrator is adjusted based on sensor feedback (primarily the O2 sensor) to make real time adjustments for varying conditions. If the adjustments cannot be made in a BLM value, then the BLM value is either increased (add fuel) or decreased (subract fuel) to compensate.
If you reach the "corner" of an individual cell and not further adjustment is possible, the car may not run correctly and there is a problem with the calibration or a critical sensor.
It all sounds very intimidating, but really isn’t. One must keep in mind that the changes that are being made, as in the INT for example it is happening at close to 20 times per second. Think of it this way; The INT is used to “drive” the BLM number toward a value needed to maintain stoiceometric A/F ratio. As in one of the examples above, make a radical change (such as removing the fuel pressure regulator’s hose) and watch the INT do it’s thing!! The INT will jump to a high value, and hover there while the BLM starts its “march” up the scale. As the BLM approaches the value needed to get the A/F ratio corrected you’ll see the INT value heading back down toward 128. Ideally, they will both meet at 128 at about the same time. It’s really neat stuff to watch.
Dave Huinker
TurboDave


It did. :mad:
 
Thanks Dave for your always interesting and educational input into the operational aspects of these cars. It is a blessing to have you and all the others that can help explain and troubleshoot these sometimes pesky TR's.


And just think...back in 1992 when I bought my first TR I just pulled one plug and "tuned" the car like that.:eek: A good can of octane booster and those old ATR newsletters saved me a few headgaskets back in the day. Things sure have come a long way since then.:)
 
yes, thanks Dave, I was 18 in 1990 when I bought mine and I was running an ATR pitbull chip with no other mods but a 9" K&N cone filter! it ran 13.7 at best but I killed alot of plugs adn a couple of coilpacks. Right now I just want it to run good and last long. If I break into 12's with stock internals I will be satisfied but I definitaly need a scanmaster and some spring cleaning.
 
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