LS1Tech.com sucks the big one

[Dr.drivability]

231pride

Yeah, thats it. No offense but the LS1 stuff has long since surpassed anything the buick stuff was capable of. Now with the new blocks theres going to be 2000+ HP drivers out there.


Tom, thats weird they banned you. I've seen plenty of buick related stuff over there (lots of members from here are members there) and the buick guys get alot of respect. Theres even a "turbo 6" avitar on their list of av's members can use. But it is a business (ALL BB's are a business, on some level), and they take the non sponsor stuff seriously. I don't agree with it, but its their backyard and they can kick you out if they want. FWIW, I've seen WAAAAAY more favoritism and sponsor protecting here than anywhere. If an LS1tech sponsor screws you, the administrators will help YOU out, which isn't always the case here. I seem to remember threads and posts being deleted regarding tranny companies that weren't PTS, and negative experiences with certain sponsors all of a sudden disappear. I got dicked by a sponsor/owner here awhile back, who would help me? Thats right, no one. This site was used as a personal advertisement for a couple guys and anything that might effect them in a negative manner went by-by. I've seen respected sponsors get a public repremand from admins on LS1tech when stuff goes bad.

The irony is that the Buick guys are supposed to be "fast with class", but most of them feel the need to bash anything that isn't a TR. Meanwhile the F body and mustang guys (for the most part) have nothing but good comments for TR's.

So even though the fast LS1 guys can pretty much walk all over your buick, they don't come over here and kick sand in your faces.

Sure some of the LS1 stuff has surpassed us, but I don't see it on the street . Most camaros and mustangs never even have a chance with us. We too have evolved!!

 

[WeSS]

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You gotta take a chill pill, Sam.......not bashing or hating on anything, nor do I have an axe to grind. Based on the above, it would seem you have some issues to work out.

Same thing happens at need2speed.com where I used to be a member.

It used to be a racing website with friends having fun, but now it is just a bunch of nazi's. They edit anything unless it is of thier opinion or liking. If it is not an ls1 or a cobra they don't respect it. If you are not big $ and build a 50 plus thousand dollar car they crap on you, if you are not a paying vendor who is selling the same stuff jegs or summit sells for 3 times less then you are a nobody. You can't speak an opinion unless it is about how great the owner of the websites car is or his little butt buddies cars. Go out with a fast buick, old school big block, old pre 95 mustangs, etc. and they laugh at it. Put 100 grand in a 03/04 cobra with dvd screens in the headrest, tt kits, forged everything, built everything and run 10@140 and they worship you. Come out with a buick running junkyard v6 crap going just as fast they resent you.

By the way 98 percent of the members at that site are members of the before mentioned site. Coincidence. NO! It is a way of life to them. You can't even get in a conversation with them on physics of racing. Same technology can be applied to any size motor and the limits can be tested. All engines fail sooner or later. The mentality is so bad that you can make 2500 hp on a old school big block with a/c and they scoff at it. Build a 800 hp stroker ls1 that does wheelstands and gets freight trained at the traps by a little ole toyota supra 6 banger then the cooter bleeding reverses. They start making up the excuses of how the supra has so much more $ in it blah, blah, blah.

I have learned alot over the years between owning buicks, ls1's, etc. It will always be the my daddy can beat up your daddy syndrome. It is a hobby to me not a way of life. Some take it to serious and just be thankful we have a place like this that is ran much more laid back. The buick guys generally are older and more respectable. Most the ls1 guys are younger and can be extremely cocky. Not saying all just some of them. JMO :wink:

 

[turbosam6]

Sure some of the LS1 stuff has surpassed us, but I don't see it on the street . Most camaros and mustangs never even have a chance with us. We too have evolved!!

Thats interesting because in your general area there are some seriously fast LSX cars running around. The midwest in particular seems to be a hotbed of LSX activity. Shops like W2W, FLP, Speed Inc, Katech, etc. are turning out high HP drivers like crazy.

Saying most mustangs and camaros don't have a chance with a TR is trivial because "most" camaros and mustangs aren't modified and are not driven by enthusiasts. But the built ones will most definitely put the hurts to all but the fastest street driven TR. I know of several single digit daily driven LS1's, and tons of 10 second ones. My car could be a daily, and I drive it whenever I can. I'll be the first to admit its not as fast ET wise as it should be, but then again I've shut down many "race cars" with it while being 3800+ lbs and fully loaded. I've thought about removing alot of stuff and making lighter/faster, but its not a race car. I'd probably regret it.

 

[turbosam6]

Bring It.

You've got quite a stable of toys there, all sound very cool. I've seen your TR in the magazine, its an extremely nice car. But with all due respect, unless its alot faster than it was, I'd walk you down the 1/4 mile. Not being cocky, but I think my car is more geared toward straight line acceleration and hooking than your car. You'd probably put laps on me on a road course though.

I'm not coming here and calling everyone out, and you'll notice I never specifically used my car as an example of what is faster. Put my motor in a purpose built lightweight drag car and it would be very quick. My cars too heavy and the weight is poorly distributed. The best thing about it that I could toss the keys to my grandma and she could rip off a low 10 second pass. I don't have to use race gas or anything, no compromises. Leather interior, A/C, stereo, no need to fiddle with the tune, no cold start BS, and the ability to cruise 75 MPH at 2100 RPM. Its not a race car, its a street car.

It just seems like I hear all the bashing coming from the buick camp when the mustang and F body sites I frequent have nothing but respect for the TR. You won't find a thread on LS1tech or turbomustangs.com (the ONLY mustang website as far as I'm concerned) bashing a GN. But here, I gotta read about "cocky LS1 guys" and "slow mustangs". Grow up fellas, its all nuts and bolts and theres ALWAYS someone who can screw together a better set of nuts and bolts and wipe that smirk off your face. The era of the super high power street car is here, as witnessed with TT vipers and forced induction V8's laying down insane power.

 

[SVORay]

The buick guys generally are older and more respectable. Most the ls1 guys are younger and can be extremely cocky. Not saying all just some of them. JMO :wink:

Ditto!

You've got quite a stable of toys there, all sound very cool. I've seen your TR in the magazine, its an extremely nice car. But with all due respect, unless its alot faster than it was, I'd walk you down the 1/4 mile. Not being cocky, but I think my car is more geared toward straight line acceleration and hooking than your car. You'd probably put laps on me on a road course though.



I'm not coming here and calling everyone out, and you'll notice I never specifically used my car as an example of what is faster. Put my motor in a purpose built lightweight drag car and it would be very quick. My cars too heavy and the weight is poorly distributed. The best thing about it that I could toss the keys to my grandma and she could rip off a low 10 second pass. I don't have to use race gas or anything, no compromises. Leather interior, A/C, stereo, no need to fiddle with the tune, no cold start BS, and the ability to cruise 75 MPH at 2100 RPM. Its not a race car, its a street car.

We all know there is someone bigger and badder down the road. Heck, I know of some American made 4bangers that could walk off and leave you in the quater plus at the same time out perform you on a road course. I love fast cars period! It doesn't matter if it's a Civic or LSx. My problem is I tend to run across more punk kids driving LSx's than Buicks.

 

[turbosam6]

Ditto!



We all know there is someone bigger and badder down the road. Heck, I know of some American made 4bangers that could walk off and leave you in the quater plus at the same time out perform you on a road course. I love fast cars period! It doesn't matter if it's a Civic or LSx. My problem is I tend to run across more punk kids driving LSx's than Buicks.

Exactly, thats because you can actually buy a camaro or mustang pretty easily. They can be financed and are easy to find. Its the same reason you don't meet alot of punk kids driving rare muscle cars.


And hold on, you know of a sub 10 second 4 cylinder american car that can run on a roadcourse? I mean seriously? The only 4 cylinder american motor I'm aware of thats capable of high HP is the ecotech, and I've yet to see one run 9's in true DD form.

 

[WeSS]

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Exactly, thats because you can actually buy a camaro or mustang pretty easily. They can be financed and are easy to find. Its the same reason you don't meet alot of punk kids driving rare muscle cars.


And hold on, you know of a sub 10 second 4 cylinder american car that can run on a roadcourse? I mean seriously? The only 4 cylinder american motor I'm aware of thats capable of high HP is the ecotech, and I've yet to see one run 9's in true DD form.

yes american made cars can be something besides a stupid ls1 and be fast. Last night at the car show a guy had a chevette with a pontiac 181 c.i. inline 4 banger. I know about stage buick motors, but I have never heard of this particular pontiac motor, but according to his documentation the engine is rare and was used in road racing. Rollerized cam bearings, revs 10,000 rpms, 36 psi on race gas carb pull through setup. Like I said never saw one before, but you learn new things everyday. He also had this in a chevette weighing in at 2200 lbs with driver and it ran 8.90'@155. Did not even have a hightech fuel injection as the man was up in age and old school. I am sure with more technology involved as far as tuning and fuel management it could be something incredible. Just to think the local website with all the ls1 worship could bring their baddest ls1 out and get whipped by the little chevette. How hillarious is that? Now if it would have been an ls7 with a t56 going high 9's I am sure you sam and the others would be all ohhhh, ahhhh, about it. Why are you coming on this board with a ls1 and continually going on about it? Like what you like, but the buick guys are older more intelligent that that. Their is no secret the fastest turbo regals are v8 swaps as they should be, but without the mighty lc2 doing some of the most incredible stuff out there do you think gm would have ever built the lsx motors? They had to. The buicks embarrassed the corvettes in the 80's and 90's and technology has caught up. True story, but the buick had a part in that.

 

[SouthernCal GN]

Exactly, thats because you can actually buy a camaro or mustang pretty easily. They can be financed and are easy to find. Its the same reason you don't meet alot of punk kids driving rare muscle cars.


And hold on, you know of a sub 10 second 4 cylinder american car that can run on a roadcourse? I mean seriously? The only 4 cylinder american motor I'm aware of thats capable of high HP is the ecotech, and I've yet to see one run 9's in true DD form.

Like most others on here, I respect and enjoy HP in all forms- 2 wheel, 4 wheel, and even marine. I also like not being part of the "mee too" club of Mustang/Camaro/Firebird/etc. I've owned all the above, plus Mopars, Olds, and even a Merkur XR4Ti (fun car, that was!)

This is the internet- grow up. You come trolling over here, looking for responses to fufill your need to feel superior about your LS1. Well, be careful what you ask for....one could go to ANY board and there's trash talk about this or that going on- so deal with it.

Put enough blood, sweat, tears, and cubic dollars into ANY vehicle, and the horsepower will come. Gene Fleury comes to mind- a 10 sec DD that runs 9s on the track- no drama. Or Razor- 10s all day every day on 93 with alky. You'll find the same story countless times of this little V6 that puts the numbers down at the track, and is driven to and from the track. If you've ever owned a TR, you'll know that it's a rush to feel such a small motor perform so strongly.

Your passion speaks volumes, but it's misguided passion all the same- after all, the board is about V6 turbos. I'll take my 20 year old POS against an LS1- add an equitable amount of $$ to both, and let them run. Amazing how the cars are more or less evenly matched, given the 110 CI and 2 cylinder difference.

As for domestic 4 bangers, the SVO Mustang wasn't a slouch in its day....and can make some stupid power as well....

 

[RobsIron]

You've got quite a stable of toys there, all sound very cool. I've seen your TR in the magazine, its an extremely nice car. But with all due respect, unless its alot faster than it was, I'd walk you down the 1/4 mile. Not being cocky, but I think my car is more geared toward straight line acceleration and hooking than your car. You'd probably put laps on me on a road course though.

I'm not coming here and calling everyone out, and you'll notice I never specifically used my car as an example of what is faster. Put my motor in a purpose built lightweight drag car and it would be very quick. My cars too heavy and the weight is poorly distributed. The best thing about it that I could toss the keys to my grandma and she could rip off a low 10 second pass. I don't have to use race gas or anything, no compromises. Leather interior, A/C, stereo, no need to fiddle with the tune, no cold start BS, and the ability to cruise 75 MPH at 2100 RPM. Its not a race car, its a street car.

It just seems like I hear all the bashing coming from the buick camp when the mustang and F body sites I frequent have nothing but respect for the TR. You won't find a thread on LS1tech or turbomustangs.com (the ONLY mustang website as far as I'm concerned) bashing a GN. But here, I gotta read about "cocky LS1 guys" and "slow mustangs". Grow up fellas, its all nuts and bolts and theres ALWAYS someone who can screw together a better set of nuts and bolts and wipe that smirk off your face. The era of the super high power street car is here, as witnessed with TT vipers and forced induction V8's laying down insane power.

With all due respect..if you actually read the article on my car..from 7 years ago btw..it spun the Street tires half down the track and blew a head gasket at 1000' and Coasted to a 122 mph. Simple math here.

I Prefer to have many very fast toys. Could sell 'em and dump big bucks in 1 car like most and then talk smack, but I chose not to join the 1 in 500,000 club(not including firebirds and TA's).

Point is..the original post may have a genuine complaint about that site and you mildly addressed it with much defense for the LS1s and some bash for the Buick boys. Not smart on this site..IMHO.

 

[SVORay]

And hold on, you know of a sub 10 second 4 cylinder american car that can run on a roadcourse? I mean seriously? The only 4 cylinder american motor I'm aware of thats capable of high HP is the ecotech, and I've yet to see one run 9's in true DD form.

Ecotech, now what are you calling high hp...200-300?

The motor I'm talking about can handle 200-700~

 

[turbosam6]

Hahaha, you guys are killing me! I never called anyone out, never wanted to say I was superior, or any of the other stuff. What you guys fail to realize is that I've "been there done that" with the TR stuff. I don't come around here much because of this typical BS from you guys. I get PM's ALL the time with LS1 questions and guys getting ready to switch vehicles. I never bashed a TR once, all I said was the newer technology (LSX, modular fords, etc.) were far better engines as they should be with the benefit of modern technology. You guys get so sensitive about everything, if its not a TR its stupid junk. WTF-ever kids, I was farther into TR stuff than probably 90% of the guys in this thread, so I take everything said with a grain of salt since they probably don't have enough experience to know better.

SVOray--the Ecotec platform has been in the 7's with Lingenfelters help. I know of no other american 4 cylinder capable of that kind of power. Back in the day the Quad4 was a decent runner for the time, but not the most durable thing. SVO mustangs are awesome cars, I've looked into getting one but haven't found the right car for the right price. I think they are unique.

Rob---122 MPH under those conditions is pretty awesome. I know that car can move out. I'm still confident its no match for my car, but realistically it shouldn't be. I have a bigger motor and a more drag oriented setup. Its not really apples to apples. I'd gladly run you if the opportunity ever arose, but given the distance between us its probably not gonna happen.

I'm out, back to your regularly scheduled TR worship......

 

[turbosam6]

This is the internet- grow up. You come trolling over here, looking for responses to fufill your need to feel superior about your LS1. Well, be careful what you ask for....one could go to ANY board and there's trash talk about this or that going on- so deal with it.

If you read my post you'll see my point is that you can go to LS1tech or another respected site and post your TR and get nothing but compliments and respect. Its not the same here, here if its not TR its junk.

 

[SVORay]

Hahaha, you guys are killing me! I never called anyone out, never wanted to say I was superior, or any of the other stuff. What you guys fail to realize is that I've "been there done that" with the TR stuff. I don't come around here much because of this typical BS from you guys. I get PM's ALL the time with LS1 questions and guys getting ready to switch vehicles. I never bashed a TR once, all I said was the newer technology (LSX, modular fords, etc.) were far better engines as they should be with the benefit of modern technology. You guys get so sensitive about everything, if its not a TR its stupid junk. WTF-ever kids, I was farther into TR stuff than probably 90% of the guys in this thread, so I take everything said with a grain of salt since they probably don't have enough experience to know better.

These threads are funny. Dude, your probaly a nice guy in person but what did you except? Oh ya, I'm going to run off and sell my TR right now? Then you personaly challange the first person who stands up against your famed LSx car claiming your perpus was not to come calling people out?

SVOray--the Ecotec platform has been in the 7's with Lingenfelters help. I know of no other american 4 cylinder capable of that kind of power. Back in the day the Quad4 was a decent runner for the time, but not the most durable thing. SVO mustangs are awesome cars, I've looked into getting one but haven't found the right car for the right price. I think they are unique.

Thats not to bad but I'm guessing Lingenfelter is some kind of aftermarket company/famous race person etc? I'm more talking about the average man's car...like an LSx, TR, and SVO etc. It's not uncommon to see a 2.3T into the 11-12's on stock 20 year old parts. Then you have the guys running 9-10's with any where from mild to wild but totaly DD. Now don't forget, a lot of those guys have atleast half the money in their cars than a stock LSX car sold used. Now if you want to talk about flukes, Joe Morgan runs 8's with full trim...A/C and power windows etc.

Here is a link to a guy here in town that has 700+hp in his SVO...it's kind of wild comapred to most 2.3Ts.

Home Of FOURCED

 

[turbosam6]

Thats not to bad but I'm guessing Lingenfelter is some kind of aftermarket company/famous race person etc?

Please tell me you're kidding?


Yeah, I've seen some fast SVOs, I personally like the body stuff too. Most mustang guys knock the headlights and wing. I think its cool to have something at least a little different than the other eleventy billion fox body stangs out there.

 

[SVORay]

Please tell me you're kidding?

Hey, atleast I'm honest and admit I don't know. I could simply do a search and pretend to know about it

Yeah, I've seen some fast SVOs, I personally like the body stuff too. Most mustang guys knock the headlights and wing. I think its cool to have something at least a little different than the other eleventy billion fox body stangs out there.

Well I'm not going to lie, I really hate the counter sunk head lights. The 85.5-86's came with flush lights but they're kind of hard to run across. Anyhow, I'm with you, I like different and why I chose the SVO then and the T-type now.

Here is a link to my old SVO...

www.cardomain.com/id/txsvoray


Anyways, no hard feelings...and sorry for my bs replys and hijacking the thread.
Ray