Originally posted by 86brick
I've heard of some 8 second street driven TRs, so what's your point
My point was the Mustangs can be made to go fast, too.
My point was that turbo Regals are
not the only cars in existence that can be made to go fast.
My point was to show blackshoebox that he was dead wrong when he said "Mustangs can't win".
My point was
not to make this into a Mustang vs. Regal argument.
IMHO the mustang isn't any better when your talking about being fast and street driven!!!
I never said it was. All I said was that there are street-driven Mustangs running as good as the low 8s. And that, whether it's a Mustang, F-body, Supra or turbo Regal is impressive.
Originally posted by blackshoebox
Looked at the page, and thats a pretty impressive car. As for it being daily driven that is to up for debate.
I personally know the owner of that car. His name is Jim Riskovsky and he also owns the shop Turbo Connection, which that web page is about.
I've ridden in that car. Jim took me for a ride, stopped at a fast food joint through the drive-through, went around town and then for a part-throttle blast on the side streets.
It was his company car and he used it to run errands between Edwardsville (where his shop is) and St. Louis often.
Relibility wise, i would put my money on a turbo buick rather then a turbo v-8
He made it into the 9s on the stock block. But you'll be happy to know that the stock block eventually broke. So Jim installed an SVO A4 block which is a stonger 302 with 4-bolt mains.
that car is probably a nightmare to tune since it was not a turbo car from the factory
I don't see how a factory-installed turbo vs. a non-factory-installed turbo could be so different in tuning. Tuning involves the same things - fuel, timing and boost. In fact, timing may be easier to tune on the Mustang since it has a distributor.
still impressive though.
As for the 8 second mustang thing, i think we can agree it exist, but in a state that is more like a trailor car that sees the street once in a while and not a daily driver just because race parts wear worse under the grind of street use.
That's all I said in the first place - that they exist.
Originally posted by blackshoebox
THe 1987 mustang didn't come near high 13's if im not mistaken.
You're mistaken. The low-optioned LX trunks did come near the high 13s - if you consider low, low 14s "near" high 13s.
Anyway, who wants to compare mustangs to buicks, there is no comparison
1. v6 with more power then a v8, and better gas milliage.
2. bolt-on performance, buicks win hands down
3. back seat, Mustangs should be two seaters if u ask me.
4. Vintage limit edition car vs. everybody and there mother has a mustang
5. etc...
1. Not necessarily. My Mustang got over 25mpg on the highway with some mods (gears, exhaust and pulleys). And ran high 13s on street tires with those mods. Bone stock it only went 14s, but the mileage was about the same. I've never gotten better than 24mpg in my GN on the highway.
And city driving my Mustang currently gets around 15mpg. And that's with more mods than I had when I ran high 13s. Now I've got a cam, ported heads, intake, headers. My GN got about the same until I put in the shift kit. Now it holds it in gear longer, and that affects city driving mileage. It gets around 12mpg city.
2. Only if you exclude nitrous.
3. I disagee. 2-seaters are for sports cars. The Mustang isn't a sports car.
4. Yes, there are a few of them. But a well-done, clean Fox Mustang catches my eye just as easily as a nice GN does.
Originally posted by Toddzilla
OMG...I left this board 3 years ago to this same damn argument over and over again. The thing that I think is funny is the fact that GN owners are CONSTANTLY talking **** about mustangs. Why do TR guys feel so threatened by mustangs that they have to rip on them all the time? Hell, I could have bought a TR instead of my cobra, but the cobra is a much much much nicer all around car.
Not
all of them do. It's just a few guys who are insecure about themselves.
Originally posted by 86brick
Bolt on performance I think we all know that TRs are better unless your spraying a real big shot which could make u go KABOOM
Of course going KABOOM with increased boost from a turbo is just as likely. But that's why we have head gaskets.
Originally posted by Reggie
Whadya mean gn's are beter bolt on cars? I could "bolt on" a turbo and be king of the streets!
He means for the money. With a $25 chip, some race gas, and adjustable wastegate rod to bump up the boost, you can run low 13s, maybe even 12s in a GN with sticky tires.
Getting a 5.0 Mustang into the 12s is a little more expensive, but it can be done for under $1000.
Originally posted by blackshoebox
"GN's rule, Crapstangs suck!"
Not really but, its all a matter of preference. Guess im a buick faithful and some guys on here are mustang faithfuls. WE all have a common goal, to go fast. So if your doing that, your doing something right, with whatever your driving.
And some of us have both!
Originally posted by blackshoebox
"Go to the Corral and look for a post that trashes GN's, F-bodies, etc....you won't find one."
You are kidding right, lmfao Not saying that your are S#$t talker or anything, but mustang owners are notorious for being "big headed" about a car that is rather common and has a aftermarket that is only comparable to all the cars aftermarkets consider in your statement above.
No, he's not kidding. The only bashing you'll see on the corral is on ricers. And they deserve it.
True, there are a few Mustang owners who give the rest of us a bad image. Even when I'm in my Mustang, every now and then some punk will act like a dork. I was at a 4-way stop on a two-lane highway. The cross road was a two lane. There was a Fox GT to my right. So I let him go. I went left following him (I was going that way anyway). He slowed way down and then punched it.
I didn't give chase. I had somewhere to go.
Mustangs are excellent performance cars for the price. So they end up in the hands of young buyers. Young guys are more likely to act obnoxious behind the wheel. That's why Mustang owners get a bad rap - because of these young jokers. Back in the late '80s and early '90s, I had seen a couple of cases of young guys with GNs acting the same way. One was tailgating me in my Mustang trying to start something. Another
claimed he had a GN and did a fair amount of ****-talking and Mustang bashing.
Another example: Look at ricers. What's the average ricer's age? I don't know, but I'm guessing the vast majority of ricers are highschool ages or early 20s.
It's not the car, but the maturity level of the owner.
Originally posted by Turbojorge
Yes, but how many can say they have somewhat the gas mileage (I said somewhat) of a V6. Also, how about.... Uhm..... AC! I mean, well me and shoebox live under the pounding Florida sun, and I imagine it's pretty much the same in Georgia, but what happens when you need to take your G/F or wife to the movies on friday nights when its 95* outside. (Don't say you'll take HER car).
Who cares? When a guy builds a 9-second or faster car, I don't think fuel mileage is too much of a concern.
The 9-second Mustang that I posted a link to has AC. It has everything - power steering, power brakes, etc... You can even see the AC in the hood pic.
Also, did your 99 run mid 13's after ford, fixed the hsp problem the cobra's had that year or before??
I didn't understand why everyone was pissing on Cobras when they were never intended to be drag cars.
