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SignUp Now!Sorry, but you are ill-informed.
There is strict military law regarding homosexual conduct and even fraternization among service members. It is not a double standard, it is two differing bodies of law.
We also need to address the question of gay superiors abusing their powers regarding subordinates (I know that cold never happen, given the moral superiority of the gay lifestyle.
99% of the population shouldn't be placed at risk for the benefit of 1%
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This is nothing more than political correctness ! It is another situation to tear down established norms. I served in the U.S.M.C. 68-70 during the war in viet Nam, This would never been allowed then and shouldn't be now. IMO Its the military,and its not a social experiment.
I think it is f'd up myself... I wouldn't want to be in the same shower with a known gay man... I am sure no man would ever look at me but even if I caught him looking funny I would be pissed... It would just make me uncomfortable. Seeing as how the soliders put their lives on the line daily they should at least be comfortable in their relaxing time...
Bottom line though it should be up the Military not the freaking politicians IMO...
Well, blacks and women are allowed in the military. Some racist might not want to shower with a black guy or some sexist might not want to take orders from a woman. There are plenty of excellent blacks and women serving their nation. Why couldn't the same be true for an open homomsexual?
Sounds like the person with the issue is you then.
What I'm saying is it is a lot less of an issue to most people that I have come across in the military now. Those same guys are already taking a shower with gay men and there are no issues. The gay men aren't hitting on them or anything like that now, so why would that change if suddenly they aren't going to get kicked out for someone just knowing that they are gay? The military already has rules/regulations against that kind of behavior in the work place...so again, it comes down to out dated discrimination.
You are assuming that they gay males (why does it always boil down to the men...why don't people assume that the straight women would have issues?) ARE going to come out to the people they work with. Why would they? Is it any of their peers business?
All that repealing don't ask/don't tell would really do is prevent the homosexuals from getting kicked out for something that has no bearing on whether or not they can defend their country. Would some choose to come out at work? Sure. And they would have to deal with the way people treated them. If it got out of hand, the people that were discriminating would be the ones punished. EXACTLY how it is if they discriminate against ANYONE else for ANY OTHER reason.
ah. You are basing you opinions on Religious brain washing made obvious about the comment about people not 'supposed' to be gay. Never mind. Not worth trying to point out allowing people to be who they are.
You are assuming that they gay males (why does it always boil down to the men...why don't people assume that the straight women would have issues?) ARE going to come out to the people they work with. Why would they? Is it any of their peers business?
That's the problem with you guys. You talk as if homosexuals in the military will be walking around with shirts that say, "LOOK AT ME! I'M GAY!". Jesus-tap-dancing-Christ. They're already serving in the military RIGHT NOW! They're already showering with their straight peers RIGHT NOW! They're already helping to protect our country RIGHT NOW!
How can any of you gung-ho military/'Merica people look down on men and women that are willing to risk their lives to protect your right to hate them?
As long as the don't ask don't tell policy is in affect none of this should be a problem...
No I am not. I am not saying that civilian law and UCMJ are one and the same. I understand that they are seperate institutions, my point is that in general both follow the same guidelines when it comes to discrimination.
The strict laws against homosexuality are outdated. People are a LOT more open minded in the military then you seem to think. At all of my commands I ask this question (we get bored out to sea) and, in general, the older guys in the later part of their careers are against changing it and the younger are not. This is of course an informal poll, but it has spaned a pretty large number of people so far, and will span more once I get to Guantanamo Bay in a month or so.
Why do you think that an openly gay superior would abuse power any more then an openly straight person? That makes absolutly zero sense. I never said they were morally superior (far from it), but that they are people. Human beings. How is a person being open about their sexuality putting anyone at risk?
Given your handle, I suspect you are letting your religious brain washing influence something that has nothing to do with religion.
This isn't the 60's and 70's. Thankfully. Times change. Deal with it.
Sounds like the person with the issue is you then.
If the world broke out into WWIII like in the movie Red Dawn for example would you feel comfortable with a gay man or woman to defend your freedom and put their life on the line for you or would you feel more comfortable with a stright man or woman putting their life on the line? Just curious?Okay, so what you are saying it is fine for others, lets say very homophobic men, to be uncomfortable in their work place enviorment as long as the fagerals are happy? Who cares if straight men can't take a shower for all the fags huh?
I know the purpose of your arguement but you aren't looking at it from both sides...
I am not in the military so I can't say one way or the other...
You sure are defending the "Other Team" alot???
I personaly think that it is sick for guys to have sex with each other.........I mean getting poop on your wienner..........that's sick!!! I think that guys become homo's when they can't score with a woman, due to feelings of inferiority or lack of self confidence........or they are just a few fries short of a happy meal IMO. Our country is slowly going to Hell. Morals are becoming a thing of the past. There has to be a line drawn somewhere, at what point will society quit worring about offending a few morally corrupt person's rights.......You have the right to stay in the closet....and don't come out....ever!
I just thank God that I did not have to serve with any openly gay soldiers in all the years that I served in the Army. Would not want some guy tring to look at my butt while we were in a foxhole........these are my opinions and I stick by them.