More Stupid Democrat Criticisms

Hey UNGN, in his book Clarke talks of an alert Customs official who spotted a nervous sweating individual that peeked her interest. that is what I read in a neo - con rag too. Now please tell me about the real people that were there?! You travel much too Washington State? was it your wife who caught him? bravo. It must be someonre you are very intimate with
 
Just picked up Paul O'Neill's book will be digesting it this weekend?

Facts about Paul O'neill - Longtime Republican former US Treasury Secy., Very wealthy, not taking $$$$$ for this book, ran AlCOA, best friends w/ **** Cheyney, was convinced to renter Govt. by GOP/GWB, advised GHWB, tutored GWB on economic issues. He is a conservative that is fed up w/ neo con ideology/ secrecy hijacking his party, warned by Rumsfeld to not write this book

GOP Facts: ??????????????????????, He went on a trip w/ Bono
 
Originally posted by suprbuick7
TTA you states that we used foreign intel to go to war w/ Iraq. You take bitsand pieces of arguments to prove something? But what is it? Those nations you speak of were against us entering Iraq. Your guy was used bt Wolfie, Pearle and Cheyney to promote this neo con agenda .We had/have more pressing issues that affect our domestic safety. We are not safer in the US since the invasion
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I NEVER said we used foreign intelligence. I said the ENTIRE international community agreed Saddam Hussein had and is seeking more WMD. There was no debate on this in the UN. The UN debate was whether it was time to use military force to get SH to comply with numerous resolutions and our cease fire agreement.

You should know we NEED NO UN approval to resume hostilities with Iraq if they violated the cease fire agreement signed between us and Iraq in 1991. Weren't you around then?

What "bits and pieces" am I leaving out? Enlighten me.
 
Hey!, this is pretty cool:

We4ster
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Me, too!! How would he say it?

I's jest putt Dubya-eee-fowrstur on ma fuggin' iknore leeist, cuzz he a dumb sheeit.
 
Interesting article,

The New Yorker Magazine - Originally published November 2, 1992

This article, originally published in New Yorker Magazine, provides a clear picture of the direct involvement of the United States in arming Iraq, providing Saddam Hussein with technology, weapons, intelligence and funding - even in contravention of American law - enabling Iraq to amass the nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons that threaten the world. While the US does not openly acknowledge its role in arming Iraq, it now prepares to go to war against a monster of its own creation...


http://www.jonathanpollard.org/2002/111402.htm
 
TTA: True. I assumed you meant something different. Wasn't there a BS story though about SH trying to obtain Yellow Cake Plutonium in Africa, that was refuted by most in the int'l community? The Neocons used this anyway to push for their agenda?
 
TTA, you and I differ in that you feel GOP made their decision based on faulty intel. ( a reaction)and therefore we went to war. Correct? I, on the other hand, think the Neocons running the show molded/ fabricated the intel to achieve their agenda for regime change in Iraq at a time when we needed to act elsewhere( against Taliban, al Queda, OBL in force.

Does this make me less intelligent,a socialist that I have been branded because I don't trust those in power? Tha
 
Originally posted by suprbuick7
TTA, you and I differ in that you feel GOP made their decision based on faulty intel. ( a reaction)and therefore we went to war. Correct? I, on the other hand, think the Neocons running the show molded/ fabricated the intel to achieve their agenda for regime change in Iraq at a time when we needed to act elsewhere( against Taliban, al Queda, OBL in force.

Does this make me less intelligent,a socialist that I have been branded because I don't trust those in power? Tha
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I agree with your anaylsis where we differ. However, here's what I find fault with your conclusions.

You believe the GOP molded intelligence to fit GWB's agenda. This cannot be true since the Clinton administration, his attorney general, FBI director and CIA director also believed Saddam still had stockpiles of WMD which he was hiding from inspectors. President Clinton makes no qualms about admitting he believed Saddam still possessed WMD. These are 100% facts. With that said, how could it possibly be a Republican fabrication? It can't.
 
Originally posted by We4ster
Interesting article,

The New Yorker Magazine - Originally published November 2, 1992

This article, originally published in New Yorker Magazine, provides a clear picture of the direct involvement of the United States in arming Iraq, providing Saddam Hussein with technology, weapons, intelligence and funding - even in contravention of American law - enabling Iraq to amass the nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons that threaten the world. While the US does not openly acknowledge its role in arming Iraq, it now prepares to go to war against a monster of its own creation...


http://www.jonathanpollard.org/2002/111402.htm
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I wasted 15 minutes reading that story and found nothing about the US "enabling Iraq to amass the nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons that threaten the world." The article talks of "aid" as in food, but the Nuclear reactor was French, ALL of Saddam's weapons were Russian, Chinese and Yugoslavian and his Chemical weapons were German. That seems to have been left out. strange. We probably enabled North Korea to get Nukes, too, right?

AND If we would have tried to stop him from "amassing the nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons that threaten the world" the Kerrys, Deans and Naders of the world would have screamed as loud then as they are doing now.

Here now you waste some time reading an article that Details the Links between Saddam and Global Terror
 
I never said it did, all I said was that it is an interesting article. And it is interesting..
 
TTA: did you watch Scarborough Country? Richard Perle under questioning by Pat Buchanan was asked about statements he made, the use of inside Iraqi intelligence they used that he admitted were untrue. He didn't admit to lying, but that is no surprise. I think you overstate the Clinton administration's stance on Saddam. he wanted him out, sure who wouldn't?

You miss My point. The "molding" was the exaggeration of Saddam's level of threat to the US imminently that led the neocons to shape GWB's deecision to invade.

What do you know about the Neocons that you can deny their motives?

Do yourself a favor and watch tonite's Scarborough Country show, and tell me Perle is being straight.


Paul O'Neill, with nothing to gain,confirmed what I as an independent thinker already know about the Neo cons running the GOP
 
Originally posted by suprbuick7
UNGN, try getting at least some of your info from other than GOP political rags.
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Like Time, Newsweek, the New York Times? No thanks. I read Al Jazeera all the time and even tried to stomach Air America, but got so bored I had to turn it off to stay awake.

Oh and Jonathan Pollard is "Mr. Objective"?

:rolleyes:

Should I watch the talking head shows? no thanks, I have better ways to waste time. I did see the Chapelle Show last night, though and the "Black Bush" was the funniest thing I had seen in years. Check it out, it was truly must see tv. Even better than the previous night's "I'm Wayne Brady, biatch!" sketch that was also a classic.
 
Originally posted by suprbuick7
TTA: did you watch Scarborough Country? Richard Perle under questioning by Pat Buchanan was asked about statements he made, the use of inside Iraqi intelligence they used that he admitted were untrue. He didn't admit to lying, but that is no surprise. I think you overstate the Clinton administration's stance on Saddam. he wanted him out, sure who wouldn't?

You miss My point. The "molding" was the exaggeration of Saddam's level of threat to the US imminently that led the neocons to shape GWB's deecision to invade.

What do you know about the Neocons that you can deny their motives?

Do yourself a favor and watch tonite's Scarborough Country show, and tell me Perle is being straight.


Paul O'Neill, with nothing to gain,confirmed what I as an independent thinker already know about the Neo cons running the GOP
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I must admit I don't know what a "neocon" is, sorry.

I'm not going to participate in what aide xxx has to say who rebuts what yyy says on this date as opposed to that date and/or possible motives.

I'm basing my opinions on what I personally saw during the entire 1990s from Bush Sr.'s administration, throught Clintons and now GWBs. It is FACT the entire Clinton administration believed Saddam had and was attempting to acquire more WMD. President Clinton chose a different way to deal with Saddam by lobbing in cruise missles from time to time to tell Saddam to quit. GWB chose to grab the sledge hammer. That may be due to a different perception of immenent threats between the two administrations but the simple and plain truth is the fact Bill Clinton, GWB, the UN and the entire world believed Iraq had (and still may have) WMD.

I must ask this. Are you saying Bill Clinton believed Saddam did NOT possess WMD during his administration? Please do not get into immenency of threats, just whether or not Clinton believed Saddam possessed banned WMD. Very simple question.

P.S. - I've never heard of Scarborough Country.
 
Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people the Kurds in 1988 or something. So yes I do believe he had them. Did he dismantle them all after UN sanctions? I dont know, probably not.

Why do you feel he did not use them during the Gulf War when we were in his country?, why didn't he use them last year? why didn't he load up the scuds that he fired at Israel w/ bio agents?

The point of my argument is that he wouldn't use them even if he had them. He was hated by the radical Muslims ( OBL, al Queda) for not being a theocracy and his lavish western lifestyle. (UNGN are you listening) Did he ever meet with al Queda?probably, but No major connection was ever found, no acts of domestic terror since the one guy from '93 w/ an Iraqi passport has been proven. al Queda and Iraq were never partners in anything. yet we " sent a few cruise missles/bombs" into Afghanistan where the actual perpetrators of 9/11 had fled. Bush in my opinion should have exercised the same force or greater on 9/12 in Afghanistan, close borders, massive troops, and bombing. to kill the MF'er who killed 3000 Americans. Instead he went full force after Saddam? that is where the" neoconservatives" come in. Look them up @Google : Wolfowitz, Perle. Rational thinking will tell you 9/11 was an excuse to march in and take him out, while we should have been focused elsewhere.
Where would we be today if we had militarily erased the Taliban, OBL, al Queda first before going after SH???? this exercise just might be a whole lot smoother
 
Originally posted by suprbuick7
Where would we be today if we had militarily erased the Taliban, OBL, al Queda first before going after SH???? this exercise just might be a whole lot smoother
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You, know, that just doesn't matter, because the Bush Haters would still be bitching as loud as they are about something else.

The War on terror ISN'T about the Taliban, OBL or Al Queda or haven't you been listening for the last 3 years.

Don't you remember the Axis of Evil speech? Iraq, Iran and North Korea (and any other state sponsors of terrorism) are on the hit list. Seems to be working so far.

If you aren't on board, vote for the other guy.

It's just that simple.
 
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