Mr. Freeze

[Razor]

I want to say something.. but silence is sometimes golden

 

[SS/GNX]

I guess I misinterpreted your post... I thought you were being serious about him trying it...

Now that I re-read it, I can see your sarcasm...

Never mind. Glad it was sarcasm.

Sorry, you never can tell on these boards... people messing around with all kinds of garbage for these cars and trying to make things themselves to save a couple bucks.

P.S. I dont have any Alky yet, but when I do, I will be going with razors kit also = )

Provided he takes back what he didnt yet say... j/k

 

[Grumpy]

hey it's the "net" .. I don't take to much serious these days :biggrin:

 

[JayC]

That's the only way I could figure it to work, but, how does methanol affect the turbo, running through it like that? Doesn't sound good to me, but Julio, you know me, a methanol idiot.

Back in 1993 or 1994 when I was doing the alcohol thing, I wanted to plumb the nozzle in before the turbo and had a long talk with Harry at Precision about it. He told me that A) It would erode the blades and B) Youre potentially making a huge bomb and C) He wouldnt warranty any turbo I used in this manner.

I dunno about B but A and C were enough to make me not do it.

 

[87NAT]

I guess I misinterpreted your post... I thought you were being serious about him trying it...

Now that I re-read it, I can see your sarcasm...

Never mind. Glad it was sarcasm.

Sorry, you never can tell on these boards... people messing around with all kinds of garbage for these cars and trying to make things themselves to save a couple bucks.

P.S. I dont have any Alky yet, but when I do, I will be going with razors kit also = )

Provided he takes back what he didnt yet say... j/k

You aint figured Dan out yet?? Theres a screw loose in there...

 

[Dreamcar86]

Back in 1993 or 1994 when I was doing the alcohol thing, I wanted to plumb the nozzle in before the turbo and had a long talk with Harry at Precision about it. He told me that A) It would erode the blades and B) Youre potentially making a huge bomb and C) He wouldnt warranty any turbo I used in this manner.

I dunno about B but A and C were enough to make me not do it.

That should just about clear it up if there were any concerns in your mind. There is nothing wrong with going against the flow however you better be prepared to face the consequences when things go south as they can be very expensive.

 

[BlackBandit]

Back in 1993 or 1994 when I was doing the alcohol thing, I wanted to plumb the nozzle in before the turbo and had a long talk with Harry at Precision about it. He told me that A) It would erode the blades and B) Youre potentially making a huge bomb and C) He wouldnt warranty any turbo I used in this manner.

I dunno about B but A and C were enough to make me not do it.

This is exactly the conclusion I came to. I thought of this a few years back. After asking around I found it was not a new idea and that others had tried it. I talked to several people about it and the ones with superchargers seemed to be having good luck with it but the turbo guys I talked to said not to try it. I would guess the problem comes into play when the liquid doesn't atomize correctly and it hits a turbo impeller spinning at ~150,000 rpm. That's the reason I never tried it. I can't afford to find stuff like that out first hand! The intercooler would most likely pose a new set of problems.

FWIW I went to razors kit and never looked back. Other than not potentially destroying parts, his kit lets me tune on the fly instead of stopping to change jets which would be one of the only ways to tune a system like that.

That's my take. james

 

[TurboDave]

because its cheaper than Julio's and it works on Mustangs I say give it a whirl

Unfortunately that seems to be the attitude that is permeating society these days; That is, BUY chinese it's so much cheaper and seems to look right.

Not saying the Mr. Freeze is chinese, but the attitude is the same.

 

[Grumpy]

You aint figured Dan out yet?? Theres a screw loose in there...

ummmm...there is more than one screw loose well according to the wife anyway

 

[IWANTONE]

The main reason I am considering Mr. Freeze for my TTA is the simplicity of it. In engineering circles, "a simple solution is an elegant solution". I'm going to try for about 20 pounds of boost by adjusting fuel and timing with my translator.

R

 

[Grumpy]

The main reason I am considering Mr. Freeze for my TTA is the simplicity of it. In engineering circles, "a simple solution is an elegant solution". I'm going to try for about 20 pounds of boost by adjusting fuel and timing with my translator.

R

hey try it out ... IF something bad happened's lemme know ... I have 4 TTA motors

 

[Blazer406]

hey try it out ... IF something bad happened's lemme know ... I have 4 TTA motors

I knew there was an ulterior motive.....


Don't forget it won't work w/o iridium plugs..... you can run the gap real wide on these

 

[Grumpy]

I knew there was an ulterior motive.....


Don't forget it won't work w/o iridium plugs..... you can run the gap real wide on these

SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[Razor]

SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

YouTube - Snow Miser - Heat Miser

 

[scot w.]

YouTube - Snow Miser - Heat Miser

LOL :biggrin: Snow Miser! thats pretty good there "Alky miser!" LOL..........:biggrin:

 

[Pablo]

this could work semi ok on a set up without an intercooler. Unfortunately the intercooler will most likely act like a condensation chamber where the alcohol will puddle. It all depends on the kind of velocity you have going through there.

Running liquid through a turbo is nothing new. Many carbureted turbo applications have been pull through in the past. I believe SAAB that had water injection systems pre turbo on some models. After many (like 100k) there were reports of some erosion issues but that was because people were not using distilled water. The mineral content of standard tap water was doing the eroding.

I think a high pressure post turbo (when using an intercooler) system works better because of the finer atomization of the alcohol. This provides more surface area for a given amount of alcohol to absorb heat and subsequently undergo a phase change to vapor more quickly. Less chance of any streams of alcohol hitting the rear plenum wall and running down one of the intake runners. Especially with the volume of alcohol you need to run to have an effective system.
Thats just my opinion though. Depending on the heat and the velocity and turbulence, it could be a wash. Remember that carburetors introduce fuel without any pressure forcing it out of the discharge tube and they do so quite effectively.