New for 11/2009 failsafe for alky

[Razor]

In beta form right now, will be available before Christmas.

Needs a minimum 50 PSI air source or CO2 to operate. Cars that have CO2 for boost controllers can use this setup. We have a 10 OZ air tank and compressor setup with a digital pressure readout currently in beta form.

This is how it works in conjunction with the Alkycontrol System.

Small controller is mounted in glove box, dash, where ever.. Has a knob that you set up the maximum safe boost you can run without alcohol. Lets say 15 PSI. If the car hits 15 PSI boost and the Alkycontrol LED is not "Green", it applies the air tank pressure through a solenoid to open the wastegate door. This will work with both internal and external gates. 50 PSI will push open a HD actuator no problem

Once the gate blows open, the boost drops.. a timer circuit then keeps air applied to the gate for 7 seconds then resets.

This will end the "What if there is no alky".. I'll blow the engine up stuff.

I'll try and get some pictures up the next few days, and fwiw, device currently has US Patent Pending status

 

[Slow91z]

That is pretty cool.

 

[Boost231]

julio, sounds good keep me posted. you just need to send me emails on all your new products still trying to figure out how this will work with the ams500 but let me know. i need to send you and email since i had an idea click in my head while reading this.

 

[QWKRTNU]

cool

 

[yullose]

Julio...

Something I think would be neat to see is... an under-plenum injector plate with 6 nozzles... each aimed at a port in the lower intake. Maybe even a spraybar type setup like a nitrous plate uses.
This direct port system might eliminate any potential cylinder distribution problems... especially when the RJC plate is used above it.

I'm extremely reluctant to take my car off race fuel and go back on alky, just for this reason. I see so many mixed reviews about the RJC plate and alky use, I just don't know what to do, other than a straight diet of C16.

I seem to recall you doing a direct port injected system on a supercharged Mustang awhile back. How did that work out ?

 

[Razor]

Julio...

Something I think would be neat to see is... an under-plenum injector plate with 6 nozzles... each aimed at a port in the lower intake. Maybe even a spraybar type setup like a nitrous plate uses.
This direct port system might eliminate any potential cylinder distribution problems... especially when the RJC plate is used above it.

I'm extremely reluctant to take my car off race fuel and go back on alky, just for this reason. I see so many mixed reviews about the RJC plate and alky use, I just don't know what to do, other than a straight diet of C16.

I seem to recall you doing a direct port injected system on a supercharged Mustang awhile back. How did that work out ?

Art, I dont see the issue. I mean look at the cars at Reynolds, John's car ran 139.60 on pump gas. Methanol doesnt have a distribution issue, no different than your intake already has. If you want to know for sure, run egt's in all 6 cylinders and log them. Then get a computer system that allows you to trim individual cylinders.

The multi nozzles was done becuase its a supercharger and cooling of it. Not becuase of distribution. More of a space issue.

Not becuase I sell it.. you have a knock sensor, you have the ability to watch it. Some choose not too. I have no problems turning up the boost. Just like everything else, you need to watch things. Dataloggers are wonderful devices.. especially when you start going to the motors edge.

You will blow up a motor on C16. Look at TSM.. they eat them up.. part of racing. If C16 stopped all damages.. dude i'd have drums of it here.

No majic.. just attention.. and patience. Patience is the hardest when short on time. And is what does everyone in most of the time. Every failure I have ever had has been becuase I rushed to do something. Thats just human nature.

 

[Russ Merritt]

Art, I dont see the issue. I mean look at the cars at Reynolds, John's car ran 139.60 on pump gas. Methanol doesnt have a distribution issue, no different than your intake already has. If you want to know for sure, run egt's in all 6 cylinders and log them. Then get a computer system that allows you to trim individual cylinders.

The multi nozzles was done becuase its a supercharger and cooling of it. Not becuase of distribution. More of a space issue.

Not becuase I sell it.. you have a knock sensor, you have the ability to watch it. Some choose not too. I have no problems turning up the boost. Just like everything else, you need to watch things. Dataloggers are wonderful devices.. especially when you start going to the motors edge.

You will blow up a motor on C16. Look at TSM.. they eat them up.. part of racing. If C16 stopped all damages.. dude i'd have drums of it here.

No majic.. just attention.. and patience. Patience is the hardest when short on time. And is what does everyone in most of the time. Every failure I have ever had has been becuase I rushed to do something. Thats just human nature.

Amen....

The last paragraph coulda been summed up...."You can't fix stupid"


At one point or another......We're all guilty of it....

 

[JayC]

Julio...

Something I think would be neat to see is... an under-plenum injector plate with 6 nozzles... each aimed at a port in the lower intake. Maybe even a spraybar type setup like a nitrous plate uses.
This direct port system might eliminate any potential cylinder distribution problems... especially when the RJC plate is used above it.

I'm extremely reluctant to take my car off race fuel and go back on alky, just for this reason. I see so many mixed reviews about the RJC plate and alky use, I just don't know what to do, other than a straight diet of C16.

I seem to recall you doing a direct port injected system on a supercharged Mustang awhile back. How did that work out ?

I did these a long time ago. We made a 1/2 inch plenum spacer and put a spray bar through the middle. The plate was drilled so that the alcohol actually passed through the plate and went through the spraybar.

I think a nozzle works just as well. The spacer was a cool thing and not terribly expensive even at retail, tho.

 

[geargrinder427]

Put me in line

Julio,

Put me in line for one. Any idea on price yet ?

Thanks,

Andrew

 

[Razor]

Julio,

Put me in line for one. Any idea on price yet ?

Thanks,

Andrew

Andrew,
I guess it will depend on your wastegate setup and if you currently run CO2 or not. My main thing is to get all the parts lined up where its easy to install it on a Buick. I'll be in touch.

 

[Quiky One]

Julio, would this work on a stock style setup? Just a wastegate with an RJC controller bypassing the factory Y? I am thinking not..

Jason

 

[TR Custom Parts]

Good job Julio!

 

[Razor]

Julio, would this work on a stock style setup? Just a wastegate with an RJC controller bypassing the factory Y? I am thinking not..

Jason

Yes it will. That was the very first design parameter .. to have it work with an HD stock style actuator.

 

[QWKRTNU]

cant wait to see it

 

[JustABuick]

Did this ever come to fruition? I'm curious because as I am about ready to finally install the drivetrain in my 87 roller, a mechanic (who is very knowledgeable about turbo Buicks, I've seen his work) has warned me about the Alky systems, saying that if the Alky system fails at WOT or high boost, there goes the engine. This would seem to solve that problem, though. Seeing as how I want to run pump gas, and got an alky kit with the car, and another one with the drivetrain, alky would seem to be the only way to go?

thanks, Kelly

 

[Razor]

The big hurdle has been reducing boost given the waste gate design on the Buick.

The way to make it happen would in a simple fashion is to have an external gate and run a 2 stage boost controller like an AMS 500. Have the second stage(high boost) tied of the pumps pressure switch.. so when the pump makes pressure.. it allows higher boost. Simple. Just have to factor in costs of waste gate, down pipe, and boost controller.

The other way I had issues keeping an air tank charged that could apply air to blow open the gate. That led to getting a compressor.. and keeping that alive was a failure.

Hope this helps, you also have to worry about your fuel pump as that one if it goes out.. you'll hurt the motor as well.

 

[JustABuick]

Thanks for the response! Yes, it helps tremendously. I am a rookie when it comes to these cars, so I am trying to cover every possible scenario I can to avoid doing damage to the engine. It can get overwhelming sometimes!

 

[Razor]

Best advice is baby step everything. If you try and set the world on fire first time out.. fire you will get. Alky or not.. failsafe or not.

Keep reading, get a scan tool, and learn how to use it. This will save you thousands….

Julio

 

[JustABuick]

Thanks! I have a scanmaster 2.0, and there are mods already done to the engine and transmission, so I will go low and slow until I get used to it and can learn more! I appreciate the advice!

Kelly