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It was great to see a bunch of buicks guys getting together. I know putting together the race classes, raffle, payouts, and yes the even the parking, can be a major PITA. Len, Jan, Nick and everyone else who made this event happen, thank you!!!

Oh ya, the $400 in payout's is appreciated too :cool:
 
yup that viper was pretty nice but it was popping and run like crap to me. once he gets that fixed that car should be just crazy
 
Just got back in early this evening. I had a great time. It's always great when I don't have to pick up pieces of my car. :tongue: It was a pleasure to meet those I had the chance to talk to. For those I wasn't able to meet and talk to, hopefully, next time. Dick, Lee, Dan and Nick were as gracious as ever. Sorry to see Jeff break. I was really hoping to see him make a run. I missed the one run he made. It was good to see Manny there with his new car. Len's car was amazing too. A couple of real monsters. It was nice to meet Brent and his amazing hot air car. 11s. Unbelieveable.

My car gave me some problems the first day. The main one being the timing of the activation of the aux fuel delivery. I came up with a solution halfway through Sunday. And it worked! I love it when a plan comes together. I came away with a best run for the car ever.

60 foot: 1.305
1/8 ET: 5.837
1/8 MPH: 117.551
1/4 ET: 9.191
1/4 MPH: 145.491

Got some good reaction times too. All in all, a productive weekend.

Chad took a lot of vids. We'll get them posted soon.
 
i really would like to see some videos i didnt get to watch much maybe 5 or six passes
 
I played around with this one. Is this any better? Still too bright? Or I'm not too bright for shooting right into the sun. :cool:
 

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Donnie

9.19 !!!!!!! WOW, all from a mini motor!!
I was so glad to see you attend, your always innovative, and have the unique set up, it was great to watch you run,!!
Hope its not so long before we see you again.:D
 
Now that I have a good baseline for the motor, I can start thinking of traveling to other tracks with it. It's just that when you're tuning an engine in, it can be very frustrating to travel to a distant track only to be bombarded with tuning issues. Not the best way to have a fun outing. I was taking a big chance going to the WCN without my fueling problem ironed out, but I just couldn't miss out. I'm glad you guys were able to see some good runs by the end of the weekend. Now I get to surprise my home track. They've been used to seeing 1/8 mile times in the 7s from me for a long, long time.
 
Just wait for Nordy to chime in on this one. :rolleyes: :D

:D :D 1999 and older (to 1996) GTS have a complete forged motors (main caps and all).. they can handle 900 to 1000RWHP without even openning the engine (stock trans and clutch too)... put on a twin turbo system & step up the fuel system and install a FAST and your in the low low 9's and high 8's... with about 12K to 15K in parts.. you can't be that with a stick :)
 
I am not laughing but a stage right on a column shift car :eek: You might be holding onto that thing as you go thru the lights from it ripping off in your hand at the start. :tongue: The force that jars you the second you hit it is very harsh just be careful if you do hook it up Brent. ;) I found with the console stage right I had to open palm tap it forward. I had my hand around that shifter one time and :biggrin: well lets just say I launched then went back into the Tbrake then launched again. LOL That was very embarrassing. I'm so dumb :)


talk to chris cairns he has a colum shift car with a stage right.......it seemed to work pretty good.
 
As you get faster, you want things to be much more trouble free in the drivers seat.

What's that saying? If it can happen, it will happen? I think that's it.:confused:
 
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As you get faster, you want things to be much more trouble free in the drivers seat.

What's that saying? If it can happen, it will happen? I think that's it.:confused:
Don! I think for reasons you stated it almost foolish not to run the car on a dyno to shake it down.That would eliminate a lot of problems before wasting time, money & frustration at the track. Building the car on the way to the track puts me in a real bad mood. ( just ask underboost )When I get there all I want to do is race. If the car isn't ready time to pack up it & go home.
 
Don! I think for reasons you stated it almost foolish not to run the car on a dyno to shake it down.That would eliminate a lot of problems before wasting time, money & frustration at the track. Building the car on the way to the track puts me in a real bad mood. ( just ask underboost )When I get there all I want to do is race. If the car isn't ready time to pack up it & go home.

I hear you Lou. In my case, I was willing to take things in small steps, take my time to absorb and study the results before making the next change and do my final real world tuning at the track, in the process, making myself look like a nut case until the major pieces of the puzzle fell into place. It's not like I had a lot of people to bounce ideas off of with the setup I was trying to make work. But man, it feels mighty good to be over the hump now.

I played with the idea of renting a chassis dyno for a day. Got some offers from friends with dynos to use it for a day or two, but decided that it would not be the proper atmosphere for me to be productive, being under the gun to get it done. I had to revamp the fuel slope so many times, re-building the entire fuel map each time I did that. That in itself is very time consuming. I would have been burning money and not getting use out of the dyno. Besides, there is nothing like a tuneup done in the circumstances the engine will be used in. From what I have gathered from other tuners that use chassis dynos, you always will need to make final adjustments on the road. If that was going to be the case anyway, I just bypassed a step that would have made things a little quicker for me. Maybe.
 
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I hear you Lou. In my case, I was willing to take things in small steps, take my time to absorb and study the results before making the next change and do my final real world tuning at the track, in the process, making myself look like a nut case until the major pieces of the puzzle fell into place. It's not like I had a lot of people to bounce ideas off of with the setup I was trying to make work. But man, it feels mighty good to be over the hump now.

I played with the idea of renting a chassis dyno for a day. Got some offers from friends with dynos to use it for a day or two, but decided that it would not be the proper atmosphere for me to be productive, being under the gun to get it done. I had to revamp the fuel slope so many times, re-building the entire fuel map each time I did that. That in itself is very time consuming. I would have been burning money and not getting use out of the dyno. Besides, there is nothing like a tuneup done in the circumstances the engine will be used in. From what I have gathered from other tuners that use chassis dynos, you always will need to make final adjustments on the road. If that was going to be the case anyway, I just bypassed a step that would have made things a little quicker for me. Maybe.
Don!a dyno is only a tool to get you close faster.The final tune has to be at the track. The main problem is all the unforeseeable problems that are better dealt with under controlled conditions allowing better use of your time at the track. I wish I would of invested in one years ago.Not only are the streets around my shop unsuitable for high speed pass's. They went & planted a police station on the next block.
 
Don!a dyno is only a tool to get you close faster.The final tune has to be at the track. The main problem is all the unforeseeable problems that are better dealt with under controlled conditions allowing better use of your time at the track. I wish I would of invested in one years ago.Not only are the streets around my shop unsuitable for high speed pass's. They went & planted a police station on the next block.

You're right about it speeding the process up. If I had my own and could have taken my time to use it, I'd have been in seventh heaven and I'm sure it would have gotten me a lot closer before taking it to the track to do the fine tuning. But,... to use someone elses and have to worry about being kicked off of it because the next appointment just showed up, well, I hope you see my point. I was very comfortable figuring out ways to load the engine on a simple rack, taking sometimes an hour or the rest of the evening analyzing the data, figuring out which way to go with the fueling. There is a point in the fuel map that has an unbelievable bump in it. Just that point alone would have burned a day or two worth of valuable dyno time. As it was, it took about a week on the rack to sculpt just that one point. Next time you're around when I'm with the car I'll have to show the fuel map to you. It's unimaginable. As it was, after getting what seemed like THE tuneup on the rack, after moving to the track, it was like starting over with the tuneup. Just the slight difference in how the engine is loaded in the real world forced me to look at the entire map all over again and sculpt it further. Sometimes having to make major changes. Now that I'm done, I have a map that needs zero correction from the O2. It's that close. I'm now using the O2 just to monitor. It provides no adjustment on the fly. It is showing me that even though the mixture is still very safe on the top end, there's room for more fuel!!!:eek: Methanol has an unbelievable rich limit. It's unlike gas where when you start getting too rich power starts to drop. With Methanol, just when you think you're rich enough, you try a little more fuel and power goes up. You think, well that's got to be it. Then you try a little more fuel. Bumping the entire fuel map up after 0 boost and the power goes up!! You think, this has got to be it. Then you try a little more and the power goes up again! You bump the entire fuel map up again after 0 boost. I'm not even including the many times I had to adjust the fuel slope because I ran out of VE adjustment from the constant bumping up of the fuel delivery. Anyone that is familiar with the Electromotive system knows that if you change the basic fuel delivery slope, it can take hours to rebuild the VE table with the new fuel slope. Can you imagine. The dyno owner is standing there wondering why it's taking hours for me to make the next pull and I'm sweating it to try to rebuild the VE table as quickly as possible? Nah. I decided to work at my own pace with less stress. That decision gave me the opportunity to try countless fueling stradegies to find the one that worked the best. In fact, I'm still working on it. I am now at 4.0-4.6 to one depending on the rpm and I have still not reached the turning-back point. The thing that keeps me from adding more fuel now is that all my sources are maxed out. I now need to increase the orifice size on the mechanical injection nozzles. How much time would I have burned on a dyno worrying about when the owner was going to finally kick me off the thing. If I had previous knowledge of what a/f I was shooting for with methanol, renting a dyno would have made better sense. Things would have moved much quicker I'm sure.

The difference in the quantity of fuel from a 5.5 or 5.0 to one a/f ratio to a ratio of 4.0 to one is amazing. Imagine bumping up a 160 lb/hr injector 50% and it just scratches the surface.
 
Holy Sh1T Dan!! Did your quarter panel pop back out??

Scott! It was a good time, wish you could have made it.

The track was hooking! My best 60ft was a 1.35. Not too bad for a stock block and a alittle 70 p-trim. :biggrin:

The picture of the wrinkled fender was Mr. Kereny's car. Here's the next shot of his car (same run), looks like it came back.
 

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Don I'm an idiot! I forgot that your in a different league with your combination. It sounds pretty intricate. I would be interested to see what your referring to with the fuel map in comparison to gasoline vs alcohol.Keep up the good work.
 
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