PowerPlate effectiveness with Ported Stock Intake?

[darkfa8]

I was wondering how effective the Power Plate would be on a ported intake with the egr tower removed?

I have a Mease plenum that has a radiussed upper and back wall that decreased plenum volume, but makes the air-tract more uniform ...

I also have a 1/2" penolic spacer that is kinda a make-up for lost plenum volume with the modified plenum.

Any thoughts ?

 

[turbosam6]

I run a pte plenum and pp with a champion ported intake. I think its a good setup. E mail jason cramer, I think he would agree.

 

[BlackBeauty]

If you mean a ported intake plenum, I don't think it will work right, because the powerplates were designed to work with certain plenums unported. I don't think there's a powerplate designed for the Mease plenum, either.

 

[BoostedBug]

That is why I just sold mine.....PP that is...

 

[azgn]

I don't believe the fellow was asking about a ported plenum...he asked about a ported intake...the PP will work just fine with that..it will equalize the air flow into the intake, ported or not

 

[Hyper]

"the PP will work just fine with that..it will equalize the air flow into the intake, ported or not"

that is still under debate!

May restrict the air to equalize the clyinders.

 

[azgn]

well, whatever, Hyper...the point is, it will work with a ported intake just fine........

 

[BoostedBug]

What about the Mease Plenium....?

 

[azgn]

a plenum is not an intake manifold........dunno if Jace has a plate for that one or not...ask him

 

[turbosam6]

Jesus Christ Hyper, don't send this guy down the wrong path. The damn power plate works, it doesn't restrict flow, and its time to drop it until you prove otherwise. Like I said before, if you don't know something for sure, don't give your WRONG opinion. We have 2 cars chassis dyno-ing around 500 hp to the wheels, with plates, and mine will soon join them. Doubt it all you want, thats your right, but don't draw others into your messed up theorys.

 

[darkfa8]

guys, its ok ... i appreciate the defense though

my main "wonder" of sorts, is if the current PP takes into account the obstruction of the 1|2 cylinders by the EGR tower.. my good guess is that it does...

now, what if you eliminate that obstruction?

then, how much is the PP still effective or even needed in the distribution of air flow?

In terms of the Mease plenum, it is a ported stock plenum (enlarged for a 62mm tb), and has a radiussed plate welded in that smooths the upper and back walls.. so the air flow comes in along the top-side at a smooth contour as opposed to just going and hitting the back wall.

Maybe Keith can send Jason one of them so Jason can make a Mease-specific plate, or see if one of his existing versions will work with it.

 

[TURBOV6]

Re: Re: PowerPlate effectiveness with Ported Stock Intake?

Originally posted by BlackBeauty
I don't think it will work right, because the powerplates were designed to work with certain plenums unported.

Why is that?

 

[Steve Wood]

I thought Jason said the plate would not work with a plenum that had the back wall modified.

There are several Plates available....if the Mease unit is similar to the PTE or KB, it might work...otherwise, probably not.

 

[Two Lane]

Jay Jackson has also posted on the issue of modified plenums and PPs.

Worth the use of the Search feature for sure!

HTH

 

[The Radius Kid]

Sounds like you've gone a long way to equalize the airflow[using tried and true techniques].
One sure way to find out is try it.
If you're not satisfied with the results,I would try the P/P for the Precision upper.
That one seems to have the least amount of "effect" on the incoming airflow from the pictures I've seen.
*Might* be the ticket.

 

[BoostedBug]

Originally posted by turbosam6
The damn power plate works, it doesn't restrict flow, and its time to drop it until you prove otherwise. Like I said before, if you don't know something for sure, don't give your WRONG opinion. We have 2 cars chassis dyno-ing around 500 hp to the wheels, with plates, and mine will soon join them. Doubt it all you want, thats your right, but don't draw others into your messed up theorys.

The only thing you are stating is your opinion. Like Hyper both of you have one but yo know what opinion's are like...

I do not belive that it isn't a restricter plate. So what if it is? You say it works so what is the big deal?

I did the leaf blower test..LOL....I took the plate, attached it to the bottom of a dog house and pushe air through the dog house through the plate. Yes it does direct air very well, does the same amount of air being put in come out...In my opinion no. The only real way of doing this measurement is to do it on a motor and get a clylinder pressure reading....Way to much work for a $60 test plate.

So to those that use it and like good for you! Those of you that doesn't understand how it works..Then do the test. But whatever yall do...Quit posting this bickering on here until you have done your homework. If I was moderating this forum this would have been locked along time ago...

 

[kenmosher]

I hope to have my motor on a dyno in the upcoming weeks ... I have a power plate...

If we have time, we'll do some shots with and without the plate. Should provide some data that could be interesting...

 

[BlackBeauty]

Re: Re: Re: PowerPlate effectiveness with Ported Stock Intake?

Originally posted by TurboV6
Why is that?

The PowerPlate for stock plenum was designed while taking the shape of the plenum into consideration. The stock plenum does not distribute the air equally, so the PowerPlate works off of this uneven distribution. If you port the intake plenum (doghouse), like in the Mease plenum, then the airflow is different, and the PowerPlate will not be able to do it's job. Why do you think there are different applications for different plenums? It's because each design is meant to work perfectly only in that one specific application.

 

[Race Jace]

to answer the original question,

I designed the plate to work with and without the EGR tower. that is why it has that little tab that covers the EGR tower. The EGR tower removal mod is also the very reason I can't drill the "egr hole" in that tab. I have to make the plate so that it will work with and without the tower. With a hole in the tab it would not work correctly if the tower were to be removed.

What you do to the lower intake does not affect the plates function. the plenum shape and design greately does.

I do not have a plate that will work with the mease modded upper plenum. Jay Jackson ported plenums work fine with the plate. You can do just about anything you want to the stock plenum as long as you don't reshape the back wall.

before we designed the plate we tested spacers to see exactly what effect slight plenum volume change does to HP and performance and found no positive or negative benifits from this. put plainly, spacers do not seem to make a difference either way.

hope this helps.

 

[Two Lane]

Thanks, Jason!

The helpful info & answers in your posts is very much appreciated!

Best always!