Question For Razor's System

[BASS]

Julio,

With your alchy system, can I keep it off and then turn it on before it gets armed to spray?? In other words, I would normally run 18 psi on the street with no knock. Can I keep your system off until I need to run over 18 psi? For example, say I run into a viper on the highway, and I would probably need to go over 18 psi to beat him. Before racing him, I would raise the gain on my manual boost controller to say, 25 psi. Now, with your system, can I then just flick a switch for it to arm itself and then eventually spray @ around, say, 16 psi?? In other words, I would rather have your system to be off (i.e. not spraying anything) anywhere in the range of 0 to 16 psi, and then let itself arm & spray at 16 psi when I REALLY need it to race.

I guess a better question would be, can I tell the system to arm itslef & spray at the exact boost level I desire??

Sorry for the dumb question, Im new to this alchy setup....

 

[Otto J]

That is what the turn on setting in the box under your dash is for.You adjust it for turn on boost.
Just got to play with it to get it to the exact setting your looking for

 

[Royal-T-Ltd]

Julio,

With your alchy system, can I keep it off and then turn it on before it gets armed to spray?? In other words, I would normally run 18 psi on the street with no knock. Can I keep your system off until I need to run over 18 psi? For example, say I run into a viper on the highway, and I would probably need to go over 18 psi to beat him. Before racing him, I would raise the gain on my manual boost controller to say, 25 psi. Now, with your system, can I then just flick a switch for it to arm itself and then eventually spray @ around, say, 16 psi?? In other words, I would rather have your system to be off (i.e. not spraying anything) anywhere in the range of 0 to 16 psi, and then let itself arm & spray at 16 psi when I REALLY need it to race.

I guess a better question would be, can I tell the system to arm itslef & spray at the exact boost level I desire??

Sorry for the dumb question, Im new to this alchy setup....

like KLHAMMETT said you can adjust turn on settings inside the box the big question IS WHY - why would you wanna go through all the hassle when you can be set on "KILL" ALL OF THE TIME and run your 26psi ALL the time - help me understand?

 

[53dogg]

alky

amen! you never know when you might need WOT!!!

 

[Grumpy]

I can see ther senerio now ... Viper/Mustang/other Buick pulls up near you and you lean out your window and tell them "hey can ya wait a minute till I am ready " :biggrin:

 

[BASS]

Well, if I use the car as a daily driver, I dont want the alchy to kick in every time I put the petal all the way down, I just want it to kick in when I really need it (maybe 10% of the time)..:biggrin:

 

[Razor]

Time delay.. that is why its activated early. To offset the time it takes alky to be in your combustion chamber. At low boost levels your consumption is very low.

See if you need alky to run 18 PSI, the time it takes the needle to jump from 16 to 18 is an absolute instant. By switching the kit on at 5 PSI, by the time your at 18 PSI.. some alky will be in your chamber.

Unless your turbo really spooools slooooooow.. then activating latter may have detonation consequences. The system you can activate whenever you want, and ramp as you wish.. but what your asking to do, typically isnt done.

At 3.00 bucks a gallon average.. its cheap insurance.

 

[BASS]

Yeah, thats sounds like a good idea for it to start spraying someee at around 5 psi, but if I use it as a daily driver and am always gettin on the petal all the time on the streets, im gonna be using alot of alchy I would think. Also, I would have to change my oil alot more frequently than if I didnt have the alchy...So, I either dont go past 5 psi on the streets while im driving around (which would be Impossible for me to do )

OR, I was thinking to set it for maybe 12 psi to arm and start spraying?? Would that be enough time for your system to start spraying at 12 psi, if, for example, I would need a full spray starting at 18 psi to prevent knock???

So, thats basically why I was wondering if I can turn the system off at a flick of a switch, and then when I know I will be going over 18 psi (which would be very rare), I can just put the system on, raise my boost controller to kill mode, and be set..

 

[Razor]

Yeah, thats sounds like a good idea for it to start spraying someee at around 5 psi, but if I use it as a daily driver and am always gettin on the petal all the time on the streets, im gonna be using alot of alchy I would think. Also, I would have to change my oil alot more frequently than if I didnt have the alchy...So, I either dont go past 5 psi on the streets while im driving around (which would be Impossible for me to do )

OR, I was thinking to set it for maybe 12 psi to arm and start spraying?? Would that be enough time for your system to start spraying at 12 psi, if, for example, I would need a full spray starting at 18 psi to prevent knock???

If your getting on it all the time you will be changing the oil more frequently. Alky or not.

Your trying to make decisions without even having data. This leads to assumptions.. Heard the saying "Putting the carriage before the horse"

If you have a lot of lead in your foot.. then it costs to play. If your running low boost like 20 PSI, then a small amount is consumed.. if your worrying about small consumption.. man what can I say. Is what it is. Make your decisions based on knock activity. There is no free ride

HTH

 

[Grumpy]

Melissa's car is driven every day .. it's not babied .. IF we try hard we might go threw a gallon in 2 days.. thats beating the living hell out of the car

 

[BASS]

Ohh, ok, then if its such a small amount being consumed, I wouldnt mind then..I thought I would be going through maybe a gallon an hour or something like that . But, if I wanted to, I can turn the system off, and then when I know I will be going over 18 psi, I can just switch it on, raise my boost controller to kill mode, and be set right??

 

[87NAT]

BASS I think your intentions are good but Razor is right. Why would you want to have an alky system installed and have it set at high boost all the time with NO KNOCk and be worried about spending a few bucks on alky? Isnt it the whole point of having alky? It is insurance from changing headgaskets.Period! If you have a TR that tells me you want to go fast. It also tells me one of three things a)you either have money to spend,b)you like spending money or c) you want to spend money you dont have.(Thats me)

These cars are different from anything else out on the street and it takes $ to do it right. I guess what I am saying is the old adage..."You want to play u have to pay". Grumpys point is that no one is going to stand around while your flipping switches and turning knobs to "Go fast". You need to have it ready on command or your asking for trouble. What if that pesky Cobra pulls up next to you and your heart starts pounding and you turn up the boost manually and forget to turn on the alky . You will be taking Headgasket Changing Class 101. Leave it on and keep it filled.

 

[BASS]

Eh, I wont forget to turn it on after raising the boost..Unless theres a hot model in a bikini wanting to race me at the light in that pesky Cobra..I might be a little too distracted..

 

[Russ Merritt]

I can see ther senerio now ... Viper/Mustang/other Buick pulls up near you and you lean out your window and tell them "hey can ya wait a minute till I am ready " :biggrin:

LOLOL!!!!!

 

[Razor]

I can see ther senerio now ... Viper/Mustang/other Buick pulls up near you and you lean out your window and tell them "hey can ya wait a minute till I am ready " :biggrin:

I just read this.. my first thought was Direct Scan user

 

[jcj53115]

If you have a TR that tells me you want to go fast. It also tells me one of three things a)you either have money to spend,b)you like spending money or c) you want to spend money you dont have.(Thats me)

I like the way you put that. I think 90% of the board falls under C)

But as for the alky, get it dialed in and set it and for get it!!!!!No need to turn it off. I drive mine daily in the summer and tend to beat on it pretty good, (lots of ricers and F-Body's around here) and I would be suprised if I used 6 gallons this summer. If your worried about spending a few bucks on gas ya better get a Honda.

 

[Blazer406]

Ohh, ok, then if its such a small amount being consumed, I wouldnt mind then..I thought I would be going through maybe a gallon an hour or something like that . But, if I wanted to, I can turn the system off, and then when I know I will be going over 18 psi, I can just switch it on, raise my boost controller to kill mode, and be set right??

FWIW... I daily drove my car for about 8 months... set on 93+alky.... 23 psi with the stock turbo... set that way all the time.... got on it regularly.... I was putting about 80-100 miles per day on my car.... I averaged 1 gal per week.. maybe.... It really isn't an issue for most people....

HTH

 

[Royal-T-Ltd]

FWIW in "Normal" daily driving there's just not enough room to go through lots of alcohol.... [granted I drive my car ONLY in good weather and its NOT my beater but i do enjoy driving as much as possible] I'm running 26lbs and 93 and I've had the same Methenol in my 2gal Overflow container for over a month, maybe even 2..... Realistically in daily driving - you never, ever make it to full WOT and in the "normal" street or highway race you never ever make it even to a 1/4 mile. - the ONLY time my car guzzles ALKY is at the race track doing repeated WOT 1/4 mile runs and remember we're talking about Razor's progressive Alky so at lower boost i'm not dumping in the mass quantities of "yesteryear"

 

[Grumpy]

ok we will stop beating Melissa's car and save some alky :biggrin:

 

[scot w.]

Well, if I use the car as a daily driver, I dont want the alchy to kick in every time I put the petal all the way down, I just want it to kick in when I really need it (maybe 10% of the time)..:biggrin:

If you plan on just turning it on right before you race, your not using the PAC kit to it's full potential or for what it was designed to do. what your explaining on doing would work with a OLD STYLE "all on", or "all off" system. In my eyes the razors kit is the only way to go! it automaticly adds alky as needed for boost, small amounts at initial setting and ramps it up to the max setting wich would use the most alky.. Set it! and forget it!.:biggrin: