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robzombie

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I'm in need of a new turbo and was wondering if converting to a T3 housing would be a better choice?

I'm also wondering if I should go with a 4" Inlet 2.5"outlet or a 4" Inlet 3" outlet on the cold side ?

Either one would have a .81 A/R

I will be using an external gate, 46mm as of right now.

The turbo is a Billet 3BB 6767 or a 6765 as of right now.

RZ.
 
how much power do you want to make?how fast has the car gone so far?how fast do you want to go?what kind of response time do you want?street car/track car?answer those questions then make sure rest of the combo will complement the choice.oops forgot the budget;)
 
I hope you have a lot of patience,money,and the ability to wrench on the car/or a mechanic that can.no disrespect intented.but low 10's and faster requires a racecar approach to the car.safety equipment,rear end,brakes,engine,suspention,all have to be upgraded just to name a few.
 
I hope you have a lot of patience,money,and the ability to wrench on the car/or a mechanic that can.no disrespect intented.

I'm an ase wrench and have built/restored cars for over twenty years even though I'm a welder by trade now, ^^^ none taken.^^^

No disrespect to anyone but, if someone could please answer my original questions it would be appreciated.


I'm wondering how it will spool with my current combo.

If someone who has a combo close to mine and they are running a BB turbo in the same ballpark as what I'm contemplating could you please give me some info.

I can get the turbo in either configuration, T3 or buick housing.
 
The stock turbo is a T3 garret already. All of the turbo Buick turbos are T3 based.;)
 
rob the .81 4 bolt will not spool the same as a 62 with a small buick 3bolt ex housing,usually the 4 bolts free up backpressure and are improve peak power.if you go to big on the turbine side and ex housing you will accelerate like Toyota prius.now I don't know the compression,leak down,tune etc of your motor.all those things affect spool.
 
No not really. Buick turbos are 3 bolt flanges. A T3 flange is a square 4 bolt flange, the smaller of the T flanges.

Look here: http://www.speedyracer.com/Turbo-T3...ange-4-Bolts?gclid=CL-o9pa267kCFcZj7AodcV0A9g

Well here's Garrets map and the name for the turbo is on the top Dave.;)
Buick 83 turbo.jpg
 
Well, believe what you like. The fact remains, that the turbine housing is a "3 bolt", NOT a T3. T3/4 is a square flange 4 bolt turbine housing, T6 is a larger 4 bolt flange, etc.
You have to be carefull of what you're referring to specifically when throughing terms around.
That T3 you're refering to is the compressor map for a "T3" 55 trim design compressor housing.

Don't believe me? Call around to some turbo companies, like Borg Warner, Garrett etc. and ask them what flange/bolt design a T3 or T4 or T6 turbine housing has.
 
Well, believe what you like. The fact remains, that the turbine housing is a "3 bolt", NOT a T3.

As little as I know about turbos, I know that what you say is true. Buick is a three bolt and T3 is a four bolt.

I have a T3 HX40 divided twin scroll turbo on my diesel truck.
 
My SVO is a T3/4 4 bolt square flange.

I'm not picking sides, I just think ford is weird.

Posted from the TurboBuick.Com mobile app
 
rob the .81 4 bolt will not spool the same as a 62 with a small buick 3bolt ex housing

I can get the turbo in any configuration I want, that's why I'm asking the questions that I am.

It is a custom order turbo that will be built to whatever specs I give them.

I read the sticky; 3 or 4 bolt

3-bolt good,
Direct bolt on replacement for all 86-87 Turbo Buicks and TTAs. Largest bolt on 3-bolt turbo available without having to change around a lot of stuff is a PT76 GT-Q. Uses the factory style downpipe flange for stock downpipe, Terry Houston style, or external wastegate mounted onto the downpipe style. Factory heat shield will fit over even the PT76 GT-Q.

3 -bolt bad,
Limited flow capabilities once you start looking to make over 975 fwhp. GT-Q is currently the largest turbine wheel option available. Back pressure can become an issue when trying to hit the elusive 975 fwhp mark. Wastegate hole will need to be ported if wanting to run high hp and high boost levels with a standard Internal wastegate style downpipe, in order to maintain boost control. To anyone that knows how to recognize turbos, the larger 70 series turbos would frighten most.



4-bolt style

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PT88 Stage II setup with external wastegate and V-band style downpipe.

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GT42 series turbo on Stage II with external wastegate and v-band style downpipe.

4-bolt good,
Tremendous flow capability when using the T4 Tangential style turbine housing. Significantly out flows the 3-bolt T3 style housing on 800+ hp applications. Less back pressure at high boost than the 3-bolt. Turbo selection and hp capabilities far exceed the currently available 3-bolt turbos. You can get a GT4788 with a T4 style turbine housing that will support close to 1300 fwhp.

4-bolt bad,
Requires the use of an external wastegate that will need to be mounted either onto the crossover pipe, or off the up-pipe from the header. Requires specific headers or at least a 3 to 4 bolt adapter flange. Will not work with internally wastegated downpipes. Requires a different style v-band clamped downpipe. If you go larger than a PT76 GT-S, you will need custom air intake piping as most turbos larger than the PT76 have 5" inlets. Higher than 4000 stall converters are required to properly spool up non ball bearing turbos larger than a GT4276, even no Stage II applications. Factory heat shield will not work and on larger Medium framed turbos, and will typically scare the poop out of most on lookers.


I guess the three bolt which is often called the buick housing on the board will give me the results I'm looking for, but was wondering if the T3 would be better as I can mount any style turbo I want because I can fab up whatever I need.

I use the precision 6466BB as an example of what I'm looking to achieve from what I've read in the 6466BB thread.

Mid ten capable at around 20/22 lbs. of boost and nines in the 30lb. range.

I won't go with that turbo because of price and bearing failure issues in the BB lineup along with cost to repair when there is a problem. And now that garrett is longer associated with them that brand is off limits for me.

I would live with a little lag down low as I know that the BB turbos can be bigger than what I run now as they spool faster and I also run a 3,500 stall so I was thinking that I could run the 6767, but I could go 6765 or smaller if that would net me the results I'm looking for.

I'm also running an ext. gate so that's one of the reasons I'm considering the T3 over three bolt. I wouldn't be using the internal gate but I guess I could see if the 3 bolt could be made without the internal gate and still go that route for ease of installation as long as performance was the same between the two housings.
 
What you may be missing is that the original T3 design came from WWII and it's a reference to the center section more than the housings on the ends. Yes, the design of our original turbos is that old. The designation of T3 fits several turbos and the rest of the numbers/letters after the T3 are the rest of the designations. Here's the designation for the 301 TTA turbo, which is also a T3 design. The center section will fit and work on any of the Buick turbos from 78 to 87.;) And it took a while to get those maps directly from Garret. What you need to designate is the housing, which in our cases would a M-10 or M-11 for the compressor side and what ever they designate for the hot side.
Pontiac 301 turbo.jpg
 
When I've called to ask companies about which turbo I should get and they ask me what housing I want, I tell them it's for a GN, they ask if I'm staying with the three bolt flange.

If I tell them T3 it is never a direct bolt on for my car.

If you're right that info has been left in the WWII days when it comes to the companies that I've dealt with.
 
Doesn't it reference the wastegate and outlet more so than how many bolts?

Posted from the TurboBuick.Com mobile app
 
When I've called to ask companies about which turbo I should get and they ask me what housing I want, I tell them it's for a GN, they ask if I'm staying with the three bolt flange.

If I tell them T3 it is never a direct bolt on for my car.

If you're right that info has been left in the WWII days when it comes to the companies that I've dealt with.


That's correct Rob. It's best to think about them as 3 bolt buick or 4 bolt t3, t4 or t6. What your looking for can easily be done with the 3 bolt buick design, I'm assuming most people stick with these since it's easier and cheaper not to fab custom parts. If it is easy for you to do, or cost is not a factor then going to a 4 bolt design will be make your quest a little easier and make your turbo choices multiply.
 
That's correct Rob. It's best to think about them as 3 bolt buick or 4 bolt t3, t4 or t6. What your looking for can easily be done with the 3 bolt buick design

^^^^It has been confirmed on both accounts^^^, and I believe I have chosen the turbo that will do what I want.

I am on the fence as I want to do this only once, I will order it on friday if no new info comes forth.
 
Rob I sent you some pics. Let me know if you got them.
 
I was wondering where those came from.

I have a couple things I want to run by you.

Call me when you get a chance.

Rob
 
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