TAI Class for 2007 BG Nationals

[Bobtempest]

This class was ran at the 06 Nats and was success for the first time being run. I am looking to see the interest in this class for 2007. I spoke with Jim Carswell who is the new race director for the 2007 Buick Nationals, and he was wanting to get a proposed car count for this class. If you are interested in this class here are the rules that were used last year.

Turbo Alcohol class in BG - t6p.com - Turbo Buick Regal Resource

I would like to see this class as a Drag Radial Footbrake class. Heads up, True Street car class. Please feel free to input any rules or changes you have in mind if you intend to participate in this class.

Thanks,
Rob Hinson

 

[GNBRETT]

I Like It. Would Like To See Cars With Valid Registrations Tho. Makes It A More True Street Car. Not Sure If That Is A Requirement Or Not?

 

[Bobtempest]

Sounds good to me.

 

[turbov6joe]

This class was ran at the 06 Nats and was success for the first time being run. I am looking to see the interest in this class for 2007. I spoke with Jim Carswell who is the new race director for the 2007 Buick Nationals, and he was wanting to get a proposed car count for this class. If you are interested in this class here are the rules that were used last year.

Turbo Alcohol class in BG - t6p.com - Turbo Buick Regal Resource

I would like to see this class as a Drag Radial Footbrake class. Heads up, True Street car class. Please feel free to input any rules or changes you have in mind if you intend to participate in this class.

Thanks,
Rob Hinson

I would like to see the "foot brake only" rule dumped as well as see a DOT tire requirement up to 10.5 ".

 

[Bobtempest]

The intint of this class is to be in a street car form. I think the usage of a T-brake sends that out the door. The DOT tire is a good suggestion, not saying that your other is not. Lets get some more input guys.

Rob Hinson

 

[GNBRETT]

Foot Brake Sounds Kool.... Again, This Is A Street Car Class. But A T-brake Can Be Used On Any Street Car Without Compromising Street Manners. I Could Go Either Way With That But It Would Most Likely Require A Little More Skill To Launch With A Foot Brake Vs. T-brake. It's Food For Thought..... DOT TIRE FOR SURE THO!

 

[Grumpy]

Melissa is chomping on the bit for this class I like the street car thing to .. hell I just got home from breakfast with it oh ya ..she's on drag radials to

 

[Razor]

The only rules I cared about were 93 in the tank(10 gallon min fillup), 109 motor, and the weight. Min 3550 w/driver. As long as you want to drive around on slicks, have a t-brake, paint your car pink, etc.. I personally didnt care. Just like electric cutouts.. its a didnt care thing.

Last year was 3 awards, fastest et, fastest MPH, most consistant. The bracket portions gets the 3rd award.

You cant tell a car has a T-brake.. the slicks issue.. while the radials are nice.. I dont know. If everyone agrees before hand on the "DOT" tire issues.. then so be it.

But one thing is for sure.. let the rules be made by those that "WILL" be bringing a car, not those bleeding on the sidelines.

 

[turbov6joe]

The only rules I cared about were 93 in the tank(10 gallon min fillup), 109 motor, and the weight. Min 3550 w/driver. As long as you want to drive around on slicks, have a t-brake, paint your car pink, etc.. I personally didnt care. Just like electric cutouts.. its a didnt care thing.

Last year was 3 awards, fastest et, fastest MPH, most consistant. The bracket portions gets the 3rd award.

You cant tell a car has a T-brake.. the slicks issue.. while the radials are nice.. I dont know. If everyone agrees before hand on the "DOT" tire issues.. then so be it.

But one thing is for sure.. let the rules be made by those that "WILL" be bringing a car, not those bleeding on the sidelines.

Amen brotha!

 

[JoeNational]

Ah sorry didn't see this discussion in here as I already posted in the turbo lounge. However I agree with Julio on this as long as the car can actually be driven in the street exactly how it is on the track that right there constitutes it being a street machine to some degree. However the weight is a lil odd as my car weighed in at 3552 with me in it and all I have done was put a fiberglass front bumper on. Everything else is how it came and I have power everything except for seats. So maybe the weight limit might have to be dropped for some. Not by much though. I hope people dont say that the car needs to be driving to the track as I dont think that is fair to some due to the distance they might be coming. As long as the racers can dictate what they think is fair I think this could be a cool category, I just hope this dont become a pissing match like I have seen in the past with other race categories, also with the amount of people running alky lately I think it could be a good field.

Thanks guys,

 

[turbov6joe]

This class needs to be kept as K.I.S.S as possible.

pump gas w/ 10 gallon minimum
alcohol/meth injection single or dual sprayers
No NOS
109 block
minimum weight requirement 3550 lbs w/ driver
DOT tires of some sort...max sidewall desiganted width of 10.5"
full exhaust
current registration and insurance
8445 or TTA equivelant heads

The above are the "must haves", all else is open.

 

[JoeNational]

Yeah that is a good set of must haves. however I dont know if anybody will have issues with that weight requirement if it is dropped to 3500 that might help others out more. Just throwing that out there though.

 

[Bobtempest]

This class needs to be kept as K.I.S.S as possible.

pump gas w/ 10 gallon minimum
alcohol/meth injection single or dual sprayers
No NOS
109 block
minimum weight requirement 3550 lbs w/ driver
DOT tires of some sort...max sidewall desiganted width of 10.5"
full exhaust
current registration and insurance
8445 or TTA equivelant heads

The above are the "must haves", all else is open.

I like those K.I.S.S rules. Now the question is do we make it heads up or bracket? If we go the bracket route we should run a pro tree, because it makes it a little more entertaining for the fans, I think.

Rob Hinson

 

[Razor]

Bracket makes someone sandbag.. and doesnt show a cars potential.

That is why there were 3 awards. The bracket portion is where driving is concerned.. The fastest ET and fastest MPH will let those that squeeze shine.

Also no problem with propane or nitrous. 109 block, 10 gallons of 93.. and iron headed cars 3400, 3550 on aluminum headed cars. We can follow TSM rules.

And any alcohol, alcohol mix from any container. As long as 93 is in the tank.

 

[turbov6joe]

I like those K.I.S.S rules. Now the question is do we make it heads up or bracket? If we go the bracket route we should run a pro tree, because it makes it a little more entertaining for the fans, I think.

Rob Hinson

Run bracket on a sportsman tree for those that need an extra second to build boost and call it good. I don't think there will be enough cars to run a good ladder without it looking like the first year of TSM....mid-11 car against a low 10 car on a pro tree Bracket racing shows how well you know your ride and how good you are on a tree...plenty of skills to show off. Lastly, my opinion is to have two qual rounds...average the two and if you run more then 1/2 seconds faster then the average of your 2 qual rounds your out....keeps the sandbaggers at bay a little better.

 

[GNVYUS 1]

I like the NO trans brake, keeps inline with the street car theme.

I like the DOT suggestion, follows the above.

Why limit the tire size to 10.5"? If you can stuff in more tire, go for it.

Why not have an E.T. addition ( .05 and .1 ) for every 50-100 under the weight limit of 3500 w/driver? This way the skinnier guys can still play. :biggrin:

Not a fan of the must have heater or ac, buts thats just me. :frown:

I like the class, might even get me out if the weight stuff swings in favor of the skinny guys.

 

[Razor]

Why the hate on the T-brake. You cant tell a car has one on it, so it is a rule that is impossible to police.. I mean if you pull up to the line leave your foot on the brake pedal and lock the t-brake in.. who will ever know.

Put as big a tire as you wish, no gutted cars. AC.. I dont care. But fiberglass everything to bring the weight down.. have to be realistic. Follow TSM rules on weight.. if they can do it.. we can too.. and those cars are lighteed heavily already.

Street car means it can be driven on the street safely. As long as that is the intent, modify your car as you wish.

I'll leave this statement in the discussion.. to me a street car is one you drive from point A to point B.. and can race it.. like the old days with street racing.. Now we do it on a track.. and again, the racers make the rules. If you do not have any intention on coming to BG and participating.. dont add input :redface:

I know I and Joe will be there next year, and I dont want a complex rule discussion of what cant be had. You have 6 months to buy whatever you think will make your car do the number. If your car is very skinny.. add some weight in the trunk... that is whats done in TSM.

Last year there was a limit on turbo, no cutout, no transbrake, no slicks, no this no that.. too many rules.. if it will race with a full tank of 93 on a 109 block .. let it ride

 

[UNDER-PRESSURE]

How about running a True Street format like they do in the Mustang world? 25 mile cruise in a street legal car, 1/2 hour cool down, rear tire change only, average time from 3 runs. Pop the hood = disqualified, Fall out of the 25 mile cruise = disqualified. Everyone gets the same fuel on the road trip. 4 trophies, Fastest overall average, 10:00 or close average, 11:00 or close average & 12:00 average. Something for everyone, no worries about what tree to run on & we will see who has a FAST street car or a slow unreliable race car.

 

[Grumpy]

, Fastest overall average, 10:00 or close average, 11:00 or close average & 12:00 average.

this is what our local track did to stop ALL the rules in our Quick street program :biggrin: NO way will everyone be happy with rules ..well unless ya limit it to 66 turbo's , V4 stock location intercooler, 60# inj , full weight cars :biggrin:

 

[UNDER-PRESSURE]

I feel that the flavor of the Alky class shoud be streetable cars & I agree that you will never get everyone to agree with the rules. So make the rules very simple, NO rules. If Mr. X thinks his 5,000 rpm converter & overheating external fuel pumps will work on the 25 mile cruise that's great but no jump starting the car, no golf carts dragging it around etc. You have 3 passes to average together so go set the world on fire. This will also Give the guys with the great running 11 & 12 sec pump gas cars something to shoot for & showcase there combo's also. Something for everyone & i bet you would get a good car count, something that's missing in a lot of the buick classes. I've never run alky but would certainly buy a kit and try it to run in a True Street format. I'm sure i can get it to run OK?? in 6 months.