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GrndNatnl

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My trans was rebuilt about 35k miles ago or so (prev owner). It still shifts hard as hell, and feels great. But I've been having problems with the TCC solenoid sticking I'm guessing. I've described all the symptoms to several individuals, and they all said thats the case. When it gets hot, it tends to stick. I need to do a fluid & filter change here very soon. Even so, the fluid is still red. Just barely a shade darker then out of the bottle.

At the track, I clean the tires, keep the trans in Drive, then flip the switch for lockup while staging. After I go through the lights, I bump the shifter back into OD, and flip the switch back off (unlock). I think it stays locked anyway once I put it into OD and let off the throttle going to the lights at 97 mph. All the power-braking before the launch doesnt help keep things cool either.

After the first couple runs last time, it was fine going down the return road. But by the third run, it was sticking, and felt clunky slowing down to a halt, like it was trying to unlock the converter. It's done this on the street too, while fooling around with the lockup switch making sure it was working. I've done the "45 mph - bump the brake" test and everything works fine. Just once it gets hot, it seems to stick and be clunky letting off the gas, and back on the gas, and slowing to a stop.

Can this be fixed by replacing the lockup solenoid? At least temporarely? Or is this a common, always-gonna-happen when the trans gets hot problem? Could a good fluid change help? Along with a new solenoid maybe? I'm going to install a trans cooler eventually. I would think that when the trans was rebuilt, that they would have replaced the solenoid. But again, that was 35-40k miles ago. And they did a damn good job on the trans itself, but they put a junk cork pan gasket on, that seeps ALL the way around. I'm replacing it with an ATP kit, which has a nice gasket, made of cork thats literally impregnated AND dipped in rubber.

Any ideas or suggestions on this sticking solenoid? I cant have it doing this all the time when it gets hot.
 
You'd be suprized...

how many shops don't make it routine to change the tcc solenoid, and even if they did it wouldn't be suprizing if it was failing now, that is common for a stock replacement to fail. That sounds like what your problem is. We have a electo magnetic replacement that is better if you want call the shop for one.
 
PTS guys: Thats a damn good price. You use them in all your trans rebuilds? Never have any sticking problems? And do you have any easy to follow instructions for replacment? Anything else that I've read seemed tricky. Anything dealing with any wiring scares me for some reason.


Clay: Yes, I flip the switch right after cleaning the tires, before I stage. Once I go through the traps, I bump the trans into OD and flip the lockup switch back off, so that when I slow down, it will unlock. However it just tends to stick after a while, when it gets hot, and acts clunky.
 
It's real simple, you cut the 2 wires at the old solenoid, unbolt it, pull it out. Then you you splice the red to red and black to black wires from the wires you cut to the new sol. and then push it in, bolt it up with spacers as the new sol. is longer and your done. Everything you need is supplied in the kit.
 
Ok. Sounds easy enough. I'll call up and order one before I plan to drop the pan. Not sure when I'll get around to it. Probably not until after Christmas, thats for sure.

Thanks for the info.
 
Originally posted by GrndNatnl
Yes, I flip the switch right after cleaning the tires, before I stage. Once I go through the traps, I bump the trans into OD and flip the lockup switch back off, so that when I slow down, it will unlock. However it just tends to stick after a while, when it gets hot, and acts clunky.

Don't you filp the switch when you Hit 3rd gear? I could be wrong, but that's how I thought it worked:confused:


Ron
 
Nope. Not what I was instructed to do. The TCC wont lock up until 3rd anyway. With the switch off (normal), it wont lock until OD and crusing throttle.

Just that when it sticks, it sticks. Meaning it stays locked up until it tries to downshift into first when slowing to a halt. And it struggles and clinks and clonks. Or when I'm cruising in say 3rd gear and let off the gas, then get back on the gas, it clunks as soon as I touch the pedal.
 
Hmmmmmm.....

Originally posted by GrndNatnl
Nope. Not what I was instructed to do. The TCC wont lock up until 3rd anyway. With the switch off (normal), it wont lock until OD and crusing throttle.

Just that when it sticks, it sticks. Meaning it stays locked up until it tries to downshift into first when slowing to a halt. And it struggles and clinks and clonks. Or when I'm cruising in say 3rd gear and let off the gas, then get back on the gas, it clunks as soon as I touch the pedal.

Sounds like I need a new TCC Solenoid from the description. My car has been doing similar things. At 45 to 50 in OD, it feels like its slipping or missing or something but trans related as at higher and lower speeds its not there. I was thinking that it might be the TCC locking and unlocking too much.

Alan
 
I'm thinking of going with one of those electro-magnetic ones now. They're cheaper then the regular GM replacment, and I'm willing to bet they work a lot better. I'll be calling over to PTS when I get around to it.

How much would shipping be for that thing from Sacremento to all the way over here in Newark, Delaware? Let me know. :cool:
 
There on the website order from there and it should tell you shipping cost.
 
sounds like a sticky solenoid.lets explore this .i would guess that the rebuilder left out the tcc screen in the pump and when the solenoid is energized the magnetic field produced pulls minute metal particles out of the oil and sticks .the hotter it gets the tighter the clearance becomes.hence the sticking .loss of ressillience on the tccshift valve springs aggrivates this .i like to change the solenoid and the springs when this problem rears its head.reinstallation of the screen can onlyu be accomplished by trans disassembly .
 
Oh God. Dont tell me scarey things like that.

Would the electro-magnetic solenoid work fine if that were the case? The shop that did the trans is really good. And the former owner of the place (retired) is the one who did it himself. New Castle Transmission on Limestone Rd.
 
didnt mean to scare you .as far as i know all solenoids are of equal quality. i have never had a problem w/a 15 or25 or 28 dollar solenoid .allsolenoids are created equal ,.lol.ride around for aday or 2 with the plug disconnected and see if the tcc ever applies. then post what you find .its the plug on the side of the trans with 4 wires and its on the driver side
 
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