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in this months gm hitech the white twin turbo camaro is using nos to cool the intercooler what do you guys think of this
using nos to frost the intercooler
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Been done for years. Seriously man you need to actually read whats on this site and actually learn about our cars before posting anything else on this site. I am now even dumber from reading the posts youve made today.No offence intended/meant. You seriously need to read up,crawl out from under the rock, and put the meth pipe down.
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Originally posted by broke1
Been done for years. Seriously man you need to actually read whats on this site and actually learn about our cars before posting anything else on this site. I am now even dumber from reading the posts youve made today.No offence intended/meant. You seriously need to read up,crawl out from under the rock, and put the meth pipe down.
you really are dum maybe you should take time and learn how to understand what your reading the post says what do you guys think of this ?
so tell me you must be mr buick himself and you been around for years its amazing how you looked at all those pictures and learned so much with out understanding a word you read
i never said i was doing it or was thinking of doing it .now i know why your name is broke1 cause your the dum 1 seriously take time out and learn how to read
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I forgot which magazine it was but one just published an article recently on building a sprayer for your intercooler with parts found in the lawn and garden center. They used parts commonly used to build sprinkler systems. They used water from the windshield reservoir to spray water on the i/c. I think it totalled less than $5 for the parts. Not as cold as a blast of nitrous or CO2, but cold water being sprayed on anything while going down the road will definitely cool it down. I was thinking of doing this myself when I get my car back. I've seen the kits people sell on Ebay, but since most GNs are daily driven I would think a water system would be alot cheaper to maintain. JMO.
Doesnt help.. ask the WRX guys that run them.. matbe a .001 better 1/4 mile. And risk getting water on the track surface.. no thanks.
Hit that IC with a really cold shot.. freeze it, then subject it to pounding while in a racing application. Sounds like a great recipe for developing stress cracks and having to buy a new IC.
If your IC isnt big enough, go get a larger one. Else do what we do in this forum use alcohol/water/propane to reduce those temps without hurting the IC.
5 hp spraying the IC vs 200 for an alky kit.. easy math in my book.
Hit that IC with a really cold shot.. freeze it, then subject it to pounding while in a racing application. Sounds like a great recipe for developing stress cracks and having to buy a new IC.
If your IC isnt big enough, go get a larger one. Else do what we do in this forum use alcohol/water/propane to reduce those temps without hurting the IC.
5 hp spraying the IC vs 200 for an alky kit.. easy math in my book.
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Another 2 cents
I spend $10 at the local Publix Supermarket for 2 lbs of dry ice. Then after making a run set it on top of my intercooler for 15 minutes. After removing it, the fins (all over) the IC are cold to the touch. Dry ice is powerfull stuff! Handle with care or it will burn your skin. Alot less expensive than NOS or CO2. I guess in a way it's kind of a hillbilly solution. - BB
P.S. Got alky too, gotta cover all the bases.
I spend $10 at the local Publix Supermarket for 2 lbs of dry ice. Then after making a run set it on top of my intercooler for 15 minutes. After removing it, the fins (all over) the IC are cold to the touch. Dry ice is powerfull stuff! Handle with care or it will burn your skin. Alot less expensive than NOS or CO2. I guess in a way it's kind of a hillbilly solution. - BB
P.S. Got alky too, gotta cover all the bases.
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200 for alky ? 200 what? dollars definitly not 200 hp
Ohh boy I love the disbelievers.
My car at 16 PSI can only make 250 RWHP running 93 octane gas without going into detonation. Currently on 93 octane i'm trapping 118mph. Thats an easy 450 RWHP on a 3700 lb vehicle at 27 PSI boost.
What other proof you want?
See you spray the IC externally in an effort to reduce the airtemps leaving the IC. Why becuase colder air makes more power. I spray the air inside the IC with alcohol to do the same plus++++ many times more. And a lot cheaper.
On the above note..maybe it can make 270rwhp tops on 16/17 PSI boost, but it will do the 450-470 RWHP without any doubt. In two weeks that number will jump to the lower 500's. Using the same fuel.
My car at 16 PSI can only make 250 RWHP running 93 octane gas without going into detonation. Currently on 93 octane i'm trapping 118mph. Thats an easy 450 RWHP on a 3700 lb vehicle at 27 PSI boost.
What other proof you want?
See you spray the IC externally in an effort to reduce the airtemps leaving the IC. Why becuase colder air makes more power. I spray the air inside the IC with alcohol to do the same plus++++ many times more. And a lot cheaper.
On the above note..maybe it can make 270rwhp tops on 16/17 PSI boost, but it will do the 450-470 RWHP without any doubt. In two weeks that number will jump to the lower 500's. Using the same fuel.
PT51 turbo w/.63 precision housing, walbro 307 pump shimmed, 160 stat, THDP, RJC plate, Protorque12 inch 2800 converter, 100 lb springs, breathers, tie down, DMH cutout, thats it. The IC, TB, are bone stock. The exhuast cat back is stock, cam, plastic timing chain, heads are all stock untouched.. actually as of this week.. were stock 
Really nothing but applying boost, tuning, watching KR, and keeping things in check. Low timing, high boost, lots of alcohol getting sprayed.
Car ran three weeks ago last time out to the track an 11.71 at 116.7 with a 1.75 60 foot. So its in line with the 11.622 it did some time ago with the 1.588. Very consistent. Actually would have been faster, but as always I get a great run and no 60 foot
I need new tires.
Ohh yeah.. my PAC system
Really nothing but applying boost, tuning, watching KR, and keeping things in check. Low timing, high boost, lots of alcohol getting sprayed.
Car ran three weeks ago last time out to the track an 11.71 at 116.7 with a 1.75 60 foot. So its in line with the 11.622 it did some time ago with the 1.588. Very consistent. Actually would have been faster, but as always I get a great run and no 60 foot
I need new tires.Ohh yeah.. my PAC system
Jim also the amount of delivery into the motor makes a huge difference. Upping the flow allows for more boost to be run and a larger margin of timing. On my previous kit, wont mention, my maximum on straight 93 was 11.9's . Adding Xylene to the gas to increase the octane, would let me play in the 11.6-11.7 range without KR. Once on different pastures, upping the flow has allowed the 11.6-11.7 to be run without the xylene addition.
Hence why dual nozzles are used when pump pressure can only go to 75 PSI. If you have a pump that can deliver 150 PSI, then no need for the extra nozzle's'.
My buddies have cars running low 700's for o2's and zero KR at 26+ PSI boost. Not mid-high 700's.. but low..1700 EGT's and no knock. call it on the edge, but hey .. lean is mean. Increasing the flow makes a huge difference. I wont get into controlling AFR's.
Oops i'm letting secrets out
Hence why dual nozzles are used when pump pressure can only go to 75 PSI. If you have a pump that can deliver 150 PSI, then no need for the extra nozzle's'.
My buddies have cars running low 700's for o2's and zero KR at 26+ PSI boost. Not mid-high 700's.. but low..1700 EGT's and no knock. call it on the edge, but hey .. lean is mean. Increasing the flow makes a huge difference. I wont get into controlling AFR's.
Oops i'm letting secrets out
I was at the 1/8 mile track yesterday and ran 7.8s @ 93 with 1.7x 60'. Fuel was 93 + 20% xylene; fp=44 static; 24-25# boost; EGT=1580; and O2's 800. Chip was Extender (21*). Temp was upper 40s. Knock was 2-3 on shift. TCC l/u at 65. Pump speed was '8' using straight denatured.
Looks like I got your attention on the Xylene
93 in the 1/8 is great MPH. What I find is if you spray too much alky while your trying to build boost, it makes the motor sluggish and not 330 ft well. thats why I started this progressive deal, becuase we live .10 at a time. And spraying the alcohol you need to sustain 93 MPH at 12-14 lbs of boost will hamper the the way the motor wakes up..thus the 330 issue.
You should be able to lean it out some more and get your O2's in the 750 range thus bringing EGT's up to 1650's. The car should cook at that level a bit better.
Try upping the pump speed to 10 and raise the turnon point just for the track to like 16 PSI. See if it improves a little.
Heres a slip from three weeks ago,
.507
1.736
4.903
7.522
93.63
9.794
11.711
116.70
Using one of Erics chips. Same 60 foot as yours, same 1/8 mph, yet .3 in the 1/8.. no xylene.. hope it makes ya thinks .. did me.
93 in the 1/8 is great MPH. What I find is if you spray too much alky while your trying to build boost, it makes the motor sluggish and not 330 ft well. thats why I started this progressive deal, becuase we live .10 at a time. And spraying the alcohol you need to sustain 93 MPH at 12-14 lbs of boost will hamper the the way the motor wakes up..thus the 330 issue.
You should be able to lean it out some more and get your O2's in the 750 range thus bringing EGT's up to 1650's. The car should cook at that level a bit better.
Try upping the pump speed to 10 and raise the turnon point just for the track to like 16 PSI. See if it improves a little.
Heres a slip from three weeks ago,
.507
1.736
4.903
7.522
93.63
9.794
11.711
116.70
Using one of Erics chips. Same 60 foot as yours, same 1/8 mph, yet .3 in the 1/8.. no xylene
.. hope it makes ya thinks .. did me. I have the alcohol coming on at 16# now but I need to turn down the fp to around 41 to lean out the bottom end. O2's at launch are around 890! I can adjust the WOT fuel higher then using the Translator. I will turn the pump speed to 10 next time.
I have one of Eric's chips but I just can't get it to run that well. Seems to knock at low boost level (20) with the alcohol.
I have one of Eric's chips but I just can't get it to run that well. Seems to knock at low boost level (20) with the alcohol.
Dont sweat the 890's for O2's.. some cars act like that. I have seen plenty of fast cars that launch at 890-900's and are pretty fast. Its a mystery to me, at first I thought it was the GM MAF doing it, then I swapped to the LT1/translator and it does it as well.. My buddies GN with a translator and the same chip.. flat lines starts at 830's and tapers down to 740-750's. I do understand the concept of high O2's at launch, but alcohol will affect spool since it cools the exhuast. So most chips to aid in spool dump fuel in, and obviously cuase the O2's to surge a bit. But the surge in O2's isnt due to alky.
What was your 330?
I'd hate to say try less alcohol down low like pump speed 6-7 and just for test purposes see what happens to the 330 mark. Getting the same 60 foot. Obviously dont do the entire run on less alky, just see what difference running less provides.
hey isnt figuring a car fun
What was your 330?
I'd hate to say try less alcohol down low like pump speed 6-7 and just for test purposes see what happens to the 330 mark. Getting the same 60 foot. Obviously dont do the entire run on less alky, just see what difference running less provides.
hey isnt figuring a car fun
330 was 5.131.
I won't sweat the high O2's at launch, but I will try reducing the fp to see if that has any affect. I will also try a lower pump speed at launch with the fp where it currently is and see if that reduces O2's. Launch only, not a full run.
Turbo spools quick, even with high O2's.
I won't sweat the high O2's at launch, but I will try reducing the fp to see if that has any affect. I will also try a lower pump speed at launch with the fp where it currently is and see if that reduces O2's. Launch only, not a full run.
Turbo spools quick, even with high O2's.
See that .2 at the 330 mark may not mean a lot.. but trust me it affects the clocks in a big way. See .2 at the 330 is .3 at the 1/8 and .4 at the 1/4. Your car should run 11.30-11.40's with a good 60 foot and the fueling issues squared away. Look at our time slips.. both cars running the same 60's and 1/8 MPH. Yours lost burst out of the hole. But made power half way down the track.
Drop your 330 and the rest will fall. And on the turbo spoolup.. man they all spool fast when your making power. But you cant fool the clock.
I've just learned by watching others to disect the track into sections. And maximize every part via fueling, timing, etc.. I still am a rookie, but this is how things get done. .1 at a time.
If I went with a smaller converter that 330 would come down big time due to mass, coupled with better timing/fuel management.. the ET has no place but to drop. Your MPH is the same as guys running low-mid 11's on race gas. And hence why I mentioned the 330.
Hope I gave ya some homework
Drop your 330 and the rest will fall. And on the turbo spoolup.. man they all spool fast when your making power. But you cant fool the clock.
I've just learned by watching others to disect the track into sections. And maximize every part via fueling, timing, etc.. I still am a rookie, but this is how things get done. .1 at a time.
If I went with a smaller converter that 330 would come down big time due to mass, coupled with better timing/fuel management.. the ET has no place but to drop. Your MPH is the same as guys running low-mid 11's on race gas. And hence why I mentioned the 330.
Hope I gave ya some homework
Weather permitting, I will be back at the track this weekend. I will try some street tuning prior to that. I have a nice 1/2 mile stretch of road in a developing industrial complex that is deserted on the weekends. I use it for testing/tuning.
What tires do you run? I run 26" American Racer DOTs now. These used to be called McCrearys.
Thanks for all the help.
What tires do you run? I run 26" American Racer DOTs now. These used to be called McCrearys.
Thanks for all the help.
I use to run those on my BBC 70 Camaro. 285/60/15's.. They worked really well.
The TTA primarily now runs on 26x10 slicks. Problem is theyre old.. I'm much too nice on the burnout and have exceeded theyre life span. I need new tires. Some nice soft ones.. these are probably 4-5 years old.
No problem on the help or advice, thats how all of us learn.. by communicating
Cars got potential.. its just loosing its oooomph in the bottom after the 60' mark. Figue this out.. bam an instant ET reduction.
The TTA primarily now runs on 26x10 slicks. Problem is theyre old.. I'm much too nice on the burnout and have exceeded theyre life span. I need new tires. Some nice soft ones.. these are probably 4-5 years old.
No problem on the help or advice, thats how all of us learn.. by communicating
Cars got potential.. its just loosing its oooomph in the bottom after the 60' mark. Figue this out.. bam an instant ET reduction.
