Web site outlines proper method to overhauling a GN

[TType84]

Originally posted by tracy
Actually, you are wrong; most people on this board are pretty knowledgeable of the LS1 and do seem to like it - myself included. It's a great motor, but it is a HUGE waste of time/money to swap in a motor that will not increase the performance of the car and in the process ruin the GN's pedigree.

The proof in all of our opinions is simply this. If swapping our turbo motors for an LS1 was a beneficial swap: why haven't more people done it? I'll give you the answer......because it makes no sense.

no, i'm right. oh, and btw, it was beneficial to him because it was easier. quotes i had to get my engine rebuilt... me doing the assembly.. i was already up to $3k. i can get a turnkey ls1 and tranny for like <$2k so i was even thinking about doing this myself, because it would have been cheaper and easier than rebuilding my engine, luckily i found a freshly rebuilt shortblock for $500 and its all good now.

BUT LETS REVIEW:

well he wanted performance and driveability...

now he has slightly better performance but will probably get worse gas mileage and more hassles from the non stock engine

he has slightly better performance stock. he's got the same or better gas mileage, and he has NO HASSLES. find me a buick that runs right 100% of the time.. pretty difficult. now find an LS1 that has myriad problems.. PRETTY DIFFICULT.

now he might run what a 13.5 or so in the 1/4... i would never do it but whatever makes his poor little soul happy

show me one stock gn that would put down between 300 and 330rwhp. show me ONE.

I find it very curious and telling they didn't post ANY performance times after that moronic transplant. Perhaps it didn't improve it all? It will get worse mileage and weigh more now.

once again, its not getting worse gas mileage.. have any of you ever seen the kinda mileage an ls1 gets? its pretty impressive for a v8. not to mention its ALL ALUMINUM so its not gonna weigh that much more.

That is a much better example. Is it faster?......no. Is it quicker?...... no. Is it lighter?......no. Does it have better driveability? ....no. Does it have better fuel mileage?......no. Can you give me an explanation of why you did this?....As David Spade says in his comercials, "I'm getting a no......"

faster? yep
quicker? yep
lighter? no, but not heavier by much
better driveability? yep
better fuel mileage? probably, or about the same.


looks like i found a couple wrong statements there, bud.

now i'm not saying it was the best idea, but apparently it was HIS best option.

so, oh well. who gives a ****. atleast he didnt put a 350 in it. an LS1 about the best swap he couldve done.

 

[UNGN]

For less than $1000 he could have ported the heads on his stock motor and be able to run 12's on pump gas. He'll have $5K+ in it to run low 12's if he doesn't have that in the swap already.

If a guy can swap an LS1 into an 18 year old car, I'm pretty sure he can pocket and bowl port a set of V6 heads (in about 1/10th the time and effort of a motor swap)

If you are going to swap an LS1/auto into something, how about a miata or a 240Z. That would BE COOL AND MAKE SENSE.

Go ahead and swap out a 13 second hot air car, but putting an LS1 in and LC2 car takes a certain kind of stupid.

 

[TType84]

Originally posted by UNGN
For less than $1000 he could have ported the heads on his stock motor and be able to run 12's on pump gas. He'll have $5K+ in it to run low 12's if he doesn't have that in the swap already.

If a guy can swap an LS1 into an 18 year old car, I'm pretty sure he can pocket and bowl port a set of V6 heads (in about 1/10th the time and effort of a motor swap)

If you are going to swap an LS1/auto into something, how about a miata or a 240Z. That would BE COOL AND MAKE SENSE.

Go ahead and swap out a 13 second hot air car, but putting an LS1 in and LC2 car takes a certain kind of stupid.

dude, the car needed a rebuild.... you're gonna rebuild the car and port the heads for <$1,000 eh? with what magic wand? do you need two or three genie's wishes to get that done?

oh, and my car ran mid 13's with a chip and 17psi... basically stock. not with all the crap on there now..

 

[cwelk87gn]

I think we are beating a dead dog here, we pretty much agree that that wasn't the best swap he could have made. Now with that said, it would have been a cool swap INTO a Cutlass 442, or an SS for that matter, because now that GN is worth a lot less to 99.999% of people who may buy it down the road. I think I'll take the V-6 out of my car and put a Cadillac 4100 in her

 

[UNGN]

Originally posted by TType84
dude, the car needed a rebuild.... you're gonna rebuild the car and port the heads for <$1,000 eh? with what magic wand? do you need two or three genie's wishes to get that done?

oh, and my car ran mid 13's with a chip and 17psi... basically stock. not with all the crap on there now..

If he spent $2000 rebuilding the motor and $1000 on the heads, he'd have $3000 in his $4500 GN and it would be worth $9000.

Instead, he spends $3K+ on an LS1 swap and now his $4500 car is worth $7500. He didn't put in an LS6 or a Lingenfelter TT, he put in a stock LS1.

As I said, it make NO SENSE. Put the LS1 in something that it would improve. A stock LS1 in a GN body WILL NOT be faster than a Stock LC2. No freaking way.

 

[turbot2496]

As I said, it make NO SENSE. Put the LS1 in something that it would improve. A stock LS1 in a GN body WILL NOT be faster than a Stock LC2. No freaking way.

Depending on your definition of stock, I agree. Pure sacrilege. A high priced downgrade so to speak. I wonder what his next act will be ..... swaping an ls1 into a viper or better yet into a supercharged cobra... yeah that would be original

 

[2QUIK6]

Hey, its his money and his car...he obviously thought it was a good idea and at least one other person here thought it was a good idea Now, I want to know where you get a LS1 for $2k...obviously used, and if you put a used motor right into your car without going thru it...well you have the same amount of brains as putting an LS1 into a GN...oh same guy..... Once you go thru the used LS1 and rebuilt it...its going to be alot more than $2k.
I've owned a MCSS, the suspension isn't much difference to even notice between it and a GN so I don't understand that comment.
Don't know how an LS1 has better "drivability" than an LC2.
Yeah, maybe there aren't many LC2 that "run perfect"..but rebuild it correctly and it will run as good and perfect as any of the newer LS1s, which if used needs to be partially rebuilt anyway.
Not to mention the wiring hack that has to be done for the AC and dash components unless he went all the way and installed an F-body dash too. I dam sure wish I had installed Corvette dash components in my truck with the LT4 swap.

 

[F8L WS6]

Sorry but I don't see any reason to ditch the LC2 in favor of an LS1. I own a heads/cam/nitrous 2002 Trans Am and while fun I would never consider pulling the motor on my TTA to put in an LS1. Nor if I had a GN would I do it. Motor swaps are something I save for, say my 1986 Monte Carlo that I tossed an aluminum headed 406 into. See that made sense because it's starting point was a mighty 305 and it was powering a dime a dozen 1986 Monte Carlo you can find anywhere and which has next to zero value.

There are many reasons to buy a GN. Swapping an LS1 into it isn't one of them. I'd say for all the money he's wasted swapping in the LS1 he could have one hell of a quick GN. Now it's just not even a GN anymore.

 

[vicious6]

Someone who would do that to this GN needs to be drawn and quartered. This actually makes me sick to my stomach that some redneck waste of space has all but ruined another GN. I am in on the lynching, anyone know where he lives?

 

[tracy]

Originally posted by TType84
no, i'm right. oh, and btw, it was beneficial to him because it was easier. quotes i had to get my engine rebuilt... me doing the assembly.. i was already up to $3k. i can get a turnkey ls1 and tranny for like <$2k so i was even thinking about doing this myself, because it would have been cheaper and easier than rebuilding my engine, luckily i found a freshly rebuilt shortblock for $500 and its all good now.

BUT LETS REVIEW:


he has slightly better performance stock. he's got the same or better gas mileage, and he has NO HASSLES. find me a buick that runs right 100% of the time.. pretty difficult. now find an LS1 that has myriad problems.. PRETTY DIFFICULT.



show me one stock gn that would put down between 300 and 330rwhp. show me ONE.


once again, its not getting worse gas mileage.. have any of you ever seen the kinda mileage an ls1 gets? its pretty impressive for a v8. not to mention its ALL ALUMINUM so its not gonna weigh that much more.


faster? yep
quicker? yep
lighter? no, but not heavier by much
better driveability? yep
better fuel mileage? probably, or about the same.


looks like i found a couple wrong statements there, bud.

now i'm not saying it was the best idea, but apparently it was HIS best option.

so, oh well. who gives a ****. atleast he didnt put a 350 in it. an LS1 about the best swap he couldve done.

Still a dumb idea from any stanpoint; other than it's his car and he wanted that LS1 in there for his OWN reasons.

I'm sure he'll wonder what he was thinking when stock motored/basic upgraded GN's give him a pasting.

To each their own.

 

[vicious6]

Originally posted by TType84



so, oh well. who gives a ****. atleast he didnt put a 350 in it. an LS1 about the best swap he couldve done.

You are missing the train here bud, a fact is a fact. This guy is a total nimrod and has screwed up a GN. People of this intelligence level should not be allowed to breathe, much less come within five square mile of a GN or TR!!!

 

[85 TR]

a little of the thread but close there is a 85 regal with a 5.0 and i ahve been thinking of doing a ls1 swap heard its been done before but cant find any links to ls123 ? i think thats who did it

oh yeah and i would never ruin a gn with a ls1 this guy could have easily bought a regal and put the motor in and then just change the trim and paint the damn thing black .

like already statd why not just pull a ls6 out of a 70 chevelle ?????????????????????????????? just dont understand

 

[Drew L]

high priced downgrade

good one

I wouldn't go so far as to call the guy names or threaten a draw and quarter but he "SURE-LEE" followed some bad advice

 

[Jay Wicks]

I wonder if the guys that did his swap, could swap his LC2 into
a new Corvette for me?